need general advice

[range hood]

Hello all, I'm new to this forum. I may not even be in the correct forum for a question like this, if anyone has a link for a better place for me to go, I would appreciate it. I have acquired an old tube radio at a garage sale. It just kind of looked at me and said "help me". I don't have any experience rebuilding electronics, especially antique stuff. I am handy with small parts and soldering. The radio is a Deforest Crosley built in 1937 and is a battery operated model. I don't really know what a B+ 135 volt battery looks like, I've never heard of anything like that. Is it possible to use a transformer to convert AC to what I need? I have ordered the wiring diagram, but don't have it yet. I am aware of issues with old electrolytic capacitors, some of the threads I have have read in this forum have made it apparent that they may have to go in favor of modern ones. That is OK with me, I'm not too concerned with keeping it all original, I just want it to work. If anyone has general advice for me for a project like this, please feel free to respond. Thanks. Norm

[Michael Black[_2_]]

On Mon, 6 Oct 2008, range hood wrote:

> Hello all, I'm new to this forum. I may not even be in the correct forum
> for a question like this, if anyone has a link for a better place for me
> to go, I would appreciate it.

Since it's a consumer radio, rec.antiques.radio+phono is the place. People
can tell you things about the specific radio, and in making sure it will
work.

Michael VE2BVW

> I have acquired an old tube radio at a
> garage sale. It just kind of looked at me and said "help me". I don't
> have any experience rebuilding electronics, especially antique stuff. I
> am handy with small parts and soldering. The radio is a Deforest Crosley
> built in 1937 and is a battery operated model. I don't really know what
> a B+ 135 volt battery looks like, I've never heard of anything like
> that. Is it possible to use a transformer to convert AC to what I need?
> I have ordered the wiring diagram, but don't have it yet. I am aware of
> issues with old electrolytic capacitors, some of the threads I have
> have read in this forum have made it apparent that they may have to go
> in favor of modern ones. That is OK with me, I'm not too concerned with
> keeping it all original, I just want it to work. If anyone has general
> advice for me for a project like this, please feel free to respond.
> Thanks. Norm
>
>
>
>
> --
> range hood
>

[JB[_3_]]

Please do take many pictures before you work on it, so that you can rebuild
it like the original. At some point, this will be a valuable investment if
it is maintained as carefully as possible but not updated or "made new".
Having said that, it would be very rare for a radio of that age not to have
suffered some decrepitude or been repaired at some point. If it has already
been hacked or has some blemish to repair, you will have lost nothing by
matching something in. Replacing a capacitor, tube or resistor wouldn't be
a big deal. Leaving brush marks or scratches on the chassis would be. At
some point, you or the next owner could rebuild or fabricate an original
part to match later. The object is to maintain the character and not to do
anything out of character that isn't reversible.

I wouldn't have a problem with cross posting of projects like these as the
technology of radio restoration is almost indistinguishable but for a
transmitter.

Batteries were often hooked in series to obtain the voltages and it was
common for a battery box containing many battery packs to take care of the
various voltages. This is impractical these days, because the last I saw of
these batteries was in the 80's (if you looked hard) and they were expensive
and didn't last long enough. It is possible to make an AC power supply for
all the voltages required. Once you have the schematic, there may even be
one there, as there were undoubtedly AC models of that radio. Indeed the
voltages are so common, you could easily build a much newer and efficient
power supply, carefully concealed to match. Look to back issues of QST or
ARRL handbooks in the library for the fast track to the technology. One
popular way of doing this after high voltage transformers got scarce, was to
take two filament transformers, one 6.3 or 12.6v ac to supply the tube
filaments and lamps, and another smaller one connected in reverse and
powered from the 6 or 12 volt to step back up to 117v ac, which is then
rectified and filtered for the appropriate DC voltage. This provides
isolation of the radio chassis from the house voltage. At this point even
filament transformers are getting scarce. At one time there were many
solutions available, but part availability has called for unorthodox
ingenuity, at least until you stumble onto what you need at the flea
markets.


"range hood" > wrote in message
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>
> Hello all, I'm new to this forum. I may not even be in the correct forum
> for a question like this, if anyone has a link for a better place for me
> to go, I would appreciate it. I have acquired an old tube radio at a
> garage sale. It just kind of looked at me and said "help me". I don't
> have any experience rebuilding electronics, especially antique stuff. I
> am handy with small parts and soldering. The radio is a Deforest Crosley
> built in 1937 and is a battery operated model. I don't really know what
> a B+ 135 volt battery looks like, I've never heard of anything like
> that. Is it possible to use a transformer to convert AC to what I need?
> I have ordered the wiring diagram, but don't have it yet. I am aware of
> issues with old electrolytic capacitors, some of the threads I have
> have read in this forum have made it apparent that they may have to go
> in favor of modern ones. That is OK with me, I'm not too concerned with
> keeping it all original, I just want it to work. If anyone has general
> advice for me for a project like this, please feel free to respond.
> Thanks. Norm
>
>
>
>
> --
> range hood

[range hood]

Since it's a consumer radio, rec.antiques.radio+phono is the place. People
can tell you things about the specific radio, and in making sure it will
work.








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Thanks for the reply. Just one more question, where is rec.antiques.radio+phono located? It doesn't show up as a category on my radiobanter homepage. Norm




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range hood
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[k3hvg]

range hood wrote:
> Hello all, I'm new to this forum. I may not even be in the correct forum
> for a question like this, if anyone has a link for a better place for me
> to go, I would appreciate it. I have acquired an old tube radio at a
> garage sale. It just kind of looked at me and said "help me". I don't
> have any experience rebuilding electronics, especially antique stuff. I
> am handy with small parts and soldering. The radio is a Deforest Crosley
> built in 1937 and is a battery operated model. I don't really know what
> a B+ 135 volt battery looks like, I've never heard of anything like
> that. Is it possible to use a transformer to convert AC to what I need?
> I have ordered the wiring diagram, but don't have it yet. I am aware of
> issues with old electrolytic capacitors, some of the threads I have
> have read in this forum have made it apparent that they may have to go
> in favor of modern ones. That is OK with me, I'm not too concerned with
> keeping it all original, I just want it to work. If anyone has general
> advice for me for a project like this, please feel free to respond.
> Thanks. Norm
>
>
>
>
Regarding the batteries, one of your replies was right on. It used 3
45v batteries in series for the B+. I doubt you'll have many
electrolytics in that set owing to the fact that its a battery set.
There may be one in the audio output cathode circuit. The schematic
will tell all, of course. The hardest part will be coming up with the
1.5v for the tube filaments, again assuming they are 1.5v tubes.
Fairchild has a nice and inexpensive ($3) TO-220 regulator package rated
at 4 amps. One can drive it from one half of a rectified, center tapped
6.3v transformer and/or half-wave rectifying the entire secondary. Its
a very cheap and easy way to get reliable 1.5v for those tubes. If the
tubes are 6v types, just half-wave rectify and filter the 6.3v winding.

[Scott Dorsey]

range hood > wrote:
>
>Since it's a consumer radio, rec.antiques.radio+phono is the place.
>People
>can tell you things about the specific radio, and in making sure it
>will
>work.

Yes. However, the original poster should also know about Antique
Electronics Supply, which among other things will sell a modern battery
eliminator to allow you to run farm radios off of AC power.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Phil Nelson]

This article has general advice about replacing old capacitors.

http://antiqueradio.org/recap.htm

Vintage batteries are no longer available. Some people make up battery packs
from new cells, or build an AC-powered supply.

http://antiqueradio.org/bsupply.htm

You can also buy a pre-built battery supply.

http://www.radiolaguy.com/ARBEIII.htm

Clean the controls (volume, etc.) using a good electronic cleaner such as
DeOxit.

You may get better answers from the rec.antiques.radio+phono forum.

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.antiques.radio+phono/topics

Regards,

Phil Nelson
Phil's Old Radios
http://antiqueradio.org/index.html

P.S. I have a ragged old T-shirt from the Range Hoods, a local (Seattle
area) band.


"range hood" > wrote in message
...
>
> Hello all, I'm new to this forum. I may not even be in the correct forum
> for a question like this, if anyone has a link for a better place for me
> to go, I would appreciate it. I have acquired an old tube radio at a
> garage sale. It just kind of looked at me and said "help me". I don't
> have any experience rebuilding electronics, especially antique stuff. I
> am handy with small parts and soldering. The radio is a Deforest Crosley
> built in 1937 and is a battery operated model. I don't really know what
> a B+ 135 volt battery looks like, I've never heard of anything like
> that. Is it possible to use a transformer to convert AC to what I need?
> I have ordered the wiring diagram, but don't have it yet. I am aware of
> issues with old electrolytic capacitors, some of the threads I have
> have read in this forum have made it apparent that they may have to go
> in favor of modern ones. That is OK with me, I'm not too concerned with
> keeping it all original, I just want it to work. If anyone has general
> advice for me for a project like this, please feel free to respond.
> Thanks. Norm