Licenses: FCC Radiotelephone & Ham License Recerprocity?

[cappy anderson]

I have a general radiotelehone operatorslicense with a radar
endorsment. Can I get an amateur license without taking the test(s).
No reason why I could take the test but that I am very time
constrained. Thanks in advance.

[David Robbins]

"cappy anderson" > wrote in message
om...
> I have a general radiotelehone operatorslicense with a radar
> endorsment. Can I get an amateur license without taking the test(s).
> No reason why I could take the test but that I am very time
> constrained. Thanks in advance.

nope, sorry. still have to take the test. there are lots of rules,
different operating procedures, and theory from basic circuits to antennas,
fields, waves, that are part of the amateur tests. some of it may be common
in the technical area, but there are lots of different things also.

[AMHAM73]

Why ask here -- you'll get right and wrong answers -- can you sort them out.

Only two places to ask with any relialibility.

1. The FCCE-mail:


2. ARRL

"cappy anderson" > wrote in message
om...
> I have a general radiotelehone operatorslicense with a radar
> endorsment. Can I get an amateur license without taking the test(s).
> No reason why I could take the test but that I am very time
> constrained. Thanks in advance.

[N2EY]

In article >,
(cappy anderson) writes:

>I have a general radiotelehone operatorslicense with a radar
>endorsment. Can I get an amateur license without taking the test(s).

No.

>No reason why I could take the test but that I am very time
>constrained.

Sorry, but none of the commercial radiotelephone licenses have ever carried any
credit towards amateur radio licenses in the USA.

> Thanks in advance.

You're welcome.

73 es GL de Jim, N2EY

[Jim Hampton]

Years ago, I had my general class amateur license. I decided to go after my
amateur extra, but also wanted my commercial telegraph license. As I
recall, if you had your commercial telegraph license (1st or 2nd class), you
would get credit for your amateur extra ticket (CW only - you still had to
pass the theory). I took but one test and passed both my commercial
telegraph and amateur extra class ticket (also obtained the ship radar
endorsement). I also passed the 1st class radiotelephone operator's
license, but that was on a different day. The only common element at the
time was that the 1st or 2nd class radiotelegraph ticket would entitle you
to a 'pass' on element 1-C towards the amateur extra. Nothing else counted.


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

ps - in later years, I believe (just believe - I'd like to hear comments)
that the amateur extra would qualify you for the telegraphy portion of the
commercial telegrapher's license - but this was only recently once the
commercial telegraph ticket became essentially worthless. It used to be the
other way around.
"cappy anderson" > wrote in message
om...
> I have a general radiotelehone operatorslicense with a radar
> endorsment. Can I get an amateur license without taking the test(s).
> No reason why I could take the test but that I am very time
> constrained. Thanks in advance.


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[Vshah101]

From: (cappy anderson)

>No reason why I could take the test but that I am very time
>constrained.

You can take a "license in a day" class where all the material is taught in a
day. At least 75% of the participants passed the test on the first try,
including children and others without the technical background.

The test is question pool format. The questions and answers are published. If
the class is not scheduled soon enough, just buy one of the question pool study
books. Review this book for one or two days and memorize the questions and
answers. After studying the book, take the next amateur radio test.

[Phil Kane]

On 02 Jul 2003 02:36:36 GMT, Vshah101 wrote:

>You can take a "license in a day" class where all the material is taught in a
>day. At least 75% of the participants passed the test on the first try,
>including children and others without the technical background.
>
>The test is question pool format. The questions and answers are published. If
>the class is not scheduled soon enough, just buy one of the question pool study
>books. Review this book for one or two days and memorize the questions and
>answers. After studying the book, take the next amateur radio test.

Do not stick your hand inside the transmitter or the gremlin that
lives therein will bite it off.

Of course this doesn't apply to you.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

[Steve Robeson, K4CAP]

(cappy anderson) wrote in message >...

> I have a general radiotelehone operatorslicense with a radar
> endorsment. Can I get an amateur license without taking the test(s).
> No reason why I could take the test but that I am very time
> constrained. Thanks in advance.

Anderson? GROL? Want's to shortcut testing? Is this genetic?

Steve, K4YZ

[cappy anderson]

(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message >...
> (cappy anderson) wrote in message >...
>
> > I have a general radiotelehone operatorslicense with a radar
> > endorsment. Can I get an amateur license without taking the test(s).
> > No reason why I could take the test but that I am very time
> > constrained. Thanks in advance.
>
> Anderson? GROL? Want's to shortcut testing? Is this genetic?
>
> Steve, K4YZ

Steve-
I knew I was inviting abuse when I asked the question. If you knew
a little about the GROL test you might not be so sarcastic.

I have a license to practice law also. States-wisely grant
recirprocity in many situations. I also have a severe learning
disability. So taking tests is a mamouth pain where I sit down.

States, and the Ferderal government have a lot of recirprocity in many
area from drivers licenses to professional licenses-just in case you
didn't know.

Not all of us can be or would be as smug just because one has an
amateur license.
Regards
Cappy Anderson

[William H. O'Hara, III]

>>You can take a "license in a day" class where all the
>>material is taught in a day. At least 75% of the
>>participants passed the test on the first try, including
>>children and others without the technical background.
>>
>>The test is question pool format. The questions and answers
>>are published. If the class is not scheduled soon enough,
>>just buy one of the question pool study books. Review this
>>book for one or two days and memorize the questions and
>>answers. After studying the book, take the next amateur
>>radio test.
>>
>>
> You can practice on-line: http://www.qrz.com/ham/index.html
> and http://www.wvara.org/wvexam/
> and http://www.aa9pw.com/

I heartily recommend www.hamtestonline.com
It tracks your progress on each section. A
person might actually learn some of the stuff
with J.C.'s website. It is worth the money.

Bill

[Phil Kane]

On 3 Jul 2003 07:03:37 -0700, cappy anderson wrote:

>Steve-
> I knew I was inviting abuse when I asked the question. If you knew
>a little about the GROL test you might not be so sarcastic.

Cappy - if you knew the history of another poster here named
Anderson, who posts under several different names and causes a lot of
H and D, you would understand Steve's comment. Perhaps Steve will
explain it to you in e-mail.

> I have a license to practice law also. States-wisely grant
>recirprocity in many situations.

I've been arm-wrestling with the State of Oregon over granting
reciprocity for my California bar admission for years. Even
though the California Bar Exam is a lot tougher than the Oregon
exam, Oregon will not grant reciprocity - or even provide the mini
exam that California provides to Oregon licensees - because
Califonia does not grant "clear" reciprocity as Washington and Idaho
do. Who will blink first?

Anyhow, I practice Federal law (primarily before the FCC) with no
problem but it's just a pain to deal with having to get a local
attorney to handle local matters stemming from my FCC practice.

>I also have a severe learning disability. So taking tests is a mamouth
>pain where I sit down.

And I'm a senior citizen with limited eyesight on the reading level,
so I too won't take any more written exams. I'd have no problem
passing an oral exam but they don't do it that way.

>States, and the Ferderal government have a lot of recirprocity in many
>area from drivers licenses to professional licenses-just in case you
>didn't know.
>
>Not all of us can be or would be as smug just because one has an
>amateur license.

But the bottom line is that holding a Radiotelephone license carries
no element credit for the Amateur license and vice versa, because the
services and the things that are required to be tested for are radically
different. I've held both for over 50 years.....

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon

[Steve Robeson, K4CAP]

(cappy anderson) wrote in message >...
> (Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message >...
> > (cappy anderson) wrote in message >...
> >
> > > I have a general radiotelehone operatorslicense with a radar
> > > endorsment. Can I get an amateur license without taking the test(s).
> > > No reason why I could take the test but that I am very time
> > > constrained. Thanks in advance.
> >
> > Anderson? GROL? Want's to shortcut testing? Is this genetic?
> >
> > Steve, K4YZ
>
> Steve-
> I knew I was inviting abuse when I asked the question. If you knew
> a little about the GROL test you might not be so sarcastic.

I know quite a bit about the GROL, and I have stated that I think
there SHOULD be some sort of "bridge test" for GROL holders, ie:
questions on Amateur related regulations and practice.

> I have a license to practice law also. States-wisely grant
> recirprocity in many situations. I also have a severe learning
> disability. So taking tests is a mamouth pain where I sit down.

Is it any worse than being deaf? I know CW ops who have no
"conventional" hearing yet they are able to operate CW and have passed
the requisite test.

I also know Amateurs who are blind, and they have passed the
requisite written tests.

> States, and the Ferderal government have a lot of recirprocity in many
> area from drivers licenses to professional licenses-just in case you
> didn't know.

I am quite aware. I also hold professional licensure that
requires various endorsements for reciprocity. PITA, but that's the
problem of living in a Republic.

> Not all of us can be or would be as smug just because one has an
> amateur license.

You need to know a bit more about the histroy of another Anderson
here who is a bit more than "smug" to understand the "humor" of the
moment.

I wish you well in pursuit of an Amateur license, and I'd support
any RM or NPRM that the FCC issued suggesting such a GROL/Amateur
bridge test.

73

Steve, K4YZ