CLEANING UP CB RADIO...

[RASTA]

For the amount of years I've spent here on this NG, I have yet to see (hear)
the bandwidth cleaned up. More truckers are getting hired, more
neighborhood idiots are still throwing "10-95's" while you're chit-chatting,
newer people are skip talking... what good is arguing here gonna do for
cleaning up the band?

Should I answer that?

Don't need to.

This NG is saved for open conversation about CB radio. Not random bashing.
Everybody wants to know how to mod a radio. Everybody wants to know where
to purchase an amplifier. Everybody wants to know antenna efficiency and
coax lengths. Is this breaking the law? NO! Discussing CB radio subject
matter doesn't constitute the individual breaking any laws.

Know what the funny thing is? I only know of "1" (one) person that was on
this NG that got turned in to the FCC. The rest is still keying down.
Imagine that! With the rants of Leland, Doug, Frank, George, Ric and Dave,
it ain't doing no good for these guys. Even when they go to there graves
(like Ric), ain't nothing gonna change.

AKC??? You're wasting your time. You guys need to get out more often. Go
play with your radio or something. Take it to the streets if you folks want
something to happen. Don't bring it here to the NG. No one cares about
your rants. Look at the past 8 years since I've been here. Nothing
changed!

I will still be here, in the background looking for CB radio conversations.
I will still key the mobile on the air and I will still be looking for skip
from elsewhere. We ain't going anywhere... we will still be here. Good
luck "AKC" in your endeavors... its like trying to pour the ocean into a
hole dug into the beach sand with a cup. Take care...

[Frank Gilliland]

In >, "RASTA"
<sp
>For the amount of years I've spent here on this NG, I have yet to see (hear)
>the bandwidth cleaned up. More truckers are getting hired, more
>neighborhood idiots are still throwing "10-95's" while you're chit-chatting,
>newer people are skip talking... what good is arguing here gonna do for
>cleaning up the band?[/color]

Because through this newsgroup an anti-illegal position can be promoted which
can directly influence the band. The concept is universal and it works; whether
you call it social reinforcement, peer-pressure, or simply setting a good
example, it's one way that responsible CBers can improve the situation.
[i]
>Should I answer that?
>
>Don't need to.
>
>This NG is saved for open conversation about CB radio. Not random bashing.
>Everybody wants to know how to mod a radio. Everybody wants to know where
>to purchase an amplifier. Everybody wants to know antenna efficiency and
>coax lengths. Is this breaking the law? NO! Discussing CB radio subject
>matter doesn't constitute the individual breaking any laws.

Nobody said it does, a point you seemed to have missed for the past several
years. What it DOES constitute is the -encouragement- for people to break those
laws by making the act much easier to accomplish. There are at least two
different ways this 'information' makes lawbreaking easier:

First, and most obvious, is that the information eliminates the need for the
prospective lawbreakers to learn the technology, allowing them to take a
criminal approach -- the 'quick and easy path' -- to accomplish their goals. I
sincerely believe that if such information wasn't freely available, many more of
these people would either educate themselves enough to turn their interest in
radio into a legitimate hobby (or even a profession), or find it too difficult
and abandon radio piracy in favor of more rewarding and responsible goals.

The other way is from the attitude that these laws are trivial. Technical
information on how to break the law with CB radio is usually provided without
any warning that its application may cause interference to CBers and non-CBers
alike, and most of the time it's not said that its use can be illegal. On the
contrary, some even go so far as to play lawyer, informing people that federal
communcation laws are "only rules" to be ignored. Then there are those that
would have people believe the fantastic, such as that CB operation is impossible
without illegal modifications or equipment, or that overmodulation is a good
thing, or even that RF power is the end-all-beat-all of human existence. This
only encourages illegal radio, and does absolutely nothing to improve the band
or the newsgroup. And it certainly doesn't help the fence-sitting CBer to make a
decision that's not only responsible to himself (and perhaps to the financial
security of his family should the FCC slap him with the typical multi-thousand
dollar fine), but responsible to all the other CBers that will be negatively
impacted by his selfishness.

So discuss all you want. But when someone else brings up important topics that
are ignored in those conversations, just remember that by attempting to supress
those topics you are demonstrating your contempt for the Constitutional right to
free speech, the very right you embrace while discussing radio piracy.

>Know what the funny thing is? I only know of "1" (one) person that was on
>this NG that got turned in to the FCC. The rest is still keying down.
>Imagine that! With the rants of Leland, Doug, Frank, George, Ric and Dave,
>it ain't doing no good for these guys. Even when they go to there graves
>(like Ric), ain't nothing gonna change.

That's like saying that we should all just lay down and die now because we are
all going to die eventually. Well, feel free to do so, but I have other plans.
Contrary to your opinion, things do change. Sometimes they change for the better
and sometimes for the worse, but they do change. Some people would rather
promote apathy and use the "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" excuse for their
lack of responsibility. Some, such as myself, would rather take an active hand
in changing things for the better. Because if everybody gives up and starts
doing whatever they please without conscience or restraint, the whole thing
falls apart into anarchy and the FCC drops the band -- not my idea of a bright
future for CB radio.

>AKC??? You're wasting your time. You guys need to get out more often. Go
>play with your radio or something. Take it to the streets if you folks want
>something to happen. Don't bring it here to the NG. No one cares about
>your rants. Look at the past 8 years since I've been here. Nothing
>changed!

Quite a bit has changed. Anti-legal CBers such as yourself no longer control the
newsgroup. Most have learned that everyone here has an equal voice, that our
voices can't be 'stepped-on', 'keyed-over', or otherwise supressed the way they
are on the radio. And loss of control over the airwaves by illegals isn't far
behind: Radio direction finding technology also falls under the 'freedom of
speech' umbrella, and their popularity is growing by leaps and bounds. More and
more CBers are learning that they can self-police their band just like the hams,
and many have learned that it can be fun at the same time. And because illegal
CBers are operating with more power, less responsibility, and dirtier radios
than ever before, the task isn't very difficult. Things have changed, and will
continue to change whether you like it or not.

>I will still be here, in the background looking for CB radio conversations.
>I will still key the mobile on the air and I will still be looking for skip
>from elsewhere. We ain't going anywhere... we will still be here. Good
>luck "AKC" in your endeavors... its like trying to pour the ocean into a
>hole dug into the beach sand with a cup. Take care...

Do whatever you feel you need to do. So will we.








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[Jos]

I have seen this time and again on the internet.

"Frank'..goes by millions of names. He is an excellent example of a
person who bought a computer, has few if any friends and uses the internet
in lieu of medication, counseling or just 'getting out more.'

The millions of "Franks' out there can be seen in every group from radio
to religion (or lack there of.) to CD collecting newsgroups.

Their sole purpose in life is some 'compulsive' behavior disorder that
drives them to pay hundrends of dollars for a computer just so they can
excercise their mental disorder on the general public without any face to
face contact. A type of high tech 'sniping' that serves no purpose other
than to satisfy some mental abberation that only counseling and possiably
medication could alleviate.

Now if some think I am being mean to "Frank", I am not.

"Frank" has one very good point about legality.
In the past, CB was licensed as a way to control it. Abeit dismally.
"Frank' or "Franks' like him, are an excellent argument why people
should be licensed for the internet...of course..that will never happen..so
like the "Franks" on CB and ham radio or the little mouthy guy in the bar.
You ignore him.

As said earliar, "Franks' can be seen in every group.

"Franks" as this one did, also rant about their 'right' to 'free
speech'. The real 'right' they want is someone to acknowledge them. Because
in their dismal little world, somewhere along the way they got abandoned,
fired from their job, lost by their mother, their sister/brother hates them,
the girls/guys don't find them appealing, or when they were a kid their
puppy did'nt play with them..whatever....they must have some kind of
attention to prove to themselves they are worthy or important.

"Franks' use the 'right of free speech' and a computer as a bandaide to
hide their mental and social disorders so they can excercise it on people
whom they never met or know.
They care little about the hurt they cause, interupting civil exchanges.
They only care about themselves. Much like a sociopath who can justify
anything.
If they are not on the internet excercising their disorder (Note: not
free speech..this has nothing to do with 'free speech', it's about a mental
abberation they are displaying.), then you can find them on the CB, Ham
radio on 40 and 75 meters, your local tavern or the busy body next door who
knows when you leave or come home.. Every community has at least one.
...you know them..the ones who rant, butt in..generally obnoxious little
people who got their milk money taken from them at school when they were
little and never got over it..
"Franks' are compulsive disorder types who has to have the world their
way. They won't step on cracks. Have to have their towels folded a certain
way. A rigid personality that if one little thing is out of place, then the
world will end..at least their world.
They must 'prove' some obscure point or their world will crumble. They
will argue about a point that has no relevence in their real lives, only in
their fantasy world where they are, or think they are in control.
Franks basically fall into two main catorgories.
The first type of 'Frank' are called "trolls'..these people know they
are obnoxious and as said earliar, looking for attention. They make
outragous or inflamatory statements to get a response. Simply because, they
cannot interact in the real world. If you met a "troll' (I have..), he is a
dismal little person with no life. Shy..reclusive..few if any friends..
He would never say what he does on the interent to a 'real' person. He
excercises his disorder on the internet, in his fantasy world. We have all
seen them on CB. The mouthy guy.
But when you track him down, he is a little guy, has'nt taken a shower
in a week, his girl left him and is working at the local car wash. You feel
so sorry for him, you give him $10.00 and leave. You pray his bad luck is
not contagous..: )

The secound type of "Frank' are serious about their 'beliefs' in that
they display their compulsive disorder by making wild claims or 'polices'
groups. Their rants can range from Government coverups, CIA is watching
them..(or you..), UFO's are after them, CB's are evil, God is bad, there is
no God, the Teletubbies are gay and are after your children.
They spend an outragous amount of time arguing about something with
absolutely no relevence in the real world. Because if they don't, something
bad will happen. At least that is what they believe.
The secound type of 'Frank' is far more dangerous then the 'troll'.
The secound type 'Frank' actually 'believes' his rant and end up as Postal
Workers..: P

Again, I am not being mean to 'Frank'..

'Franks' are a sad truth about the internet. The good thing is we have
'filters' and 'killfiles' to delete these 'Franks' to make our day alittle
more enjoyable so we can talk to people and exchange ideas. You may do so if
you have "Outlook' under "Message'..

The reason to use killfiles is not because your being mean, or don't want to
read his 'free speech'. The reason is 'Franks' are annoying and have little
to contribute. And since it is a disorder we do not want to enable them thus
causing their condition to worsen.

I have just added another 'Frank' to my killfile..





"Frank Gilliland" > wrote in message
...
> In >, "RASTA"
> <sp
> >For the amount of years I've spent here on this NG, I have yet to see[/color]
(hear)[i]
> >the bandwidth cleaned up. More truckers are getting hired, more
> >neighborhood idiots are still throwing "10-95's" while you're
chit-chatting,
> >newer people are skip talking... what good is arguing here gonna do for
> >cleaning up the band?
>
> Because through this newsgroup an anti-illegal position can be promoted
which
> can directly influence the band. The concept is universal and it works;
whether
> you call it social reinforcement, peer-pressure, or simply setting a good
> example, it's one way that responsible CBers can improve the situation.
>
> >Should I answer that?
> >
> >Don't need to.
> >
> >This NG is saved for open conversation about CB radio. Not random
bashing.
> >Everybody wants to know how to mod a radio. Everybody wants to know
where
> >to purchase an amplifier. Everybody wants to know antenna efficiency and
> >coax lengths. Is this breaking the law? NO! Discussing CB radio
subject
> >matter doesn't constitute the individual breaking any laws.
>
> Nobody said it does, a point you seemed to have missed for the past
several
> years. What it DOES constitute is the -encouragement- for people to break
those
> laws by making the act much easier to accomplish. There are at least two
> different ways this 'information' makes lawbreaking easier:
>
> First, and most obvious, is that the information eliminates the need for
the
> prospective lawbreakers to learn the technology, allowing them to take a
> criminal approach -- the 'quick and easy path' -- to accomplish their
goals. I
> sincerely believe that if such information wasn't freely available, many
more of
> these people would either educate themselves enough to turn their interest
in
> radio into a legitimate hobby (or even a profession), or find it too
difficult
> and abandon radio piracy in favor of more rewarding and responsible goals.
>
> The other way is from the attitude that these laws are trivial. Technical
> information on how to break the law with CB radio is usually provided
without
> any warning that its application may cause interference to CBers and
non-CBers
> alike, and most of the time it's not said that its use can be illegal. On
the
> contrary, some even go so far as to play lawyer, informing people that
federal
> communcation laws are "only rules" to be ignored. Then there are those
that
> would have people believe the fantastic, such as that CB operation is
impossible
> without illegal modifications or equipment, or that overmodulation is a
good
> thing, or even that RF power is the end-all-beat-all of human existence.
This
> only encourages illegal radio, and does absolutely nothing to improve the
band
> or the newsgroup. And it certainly doesn't help the fence-sitting CBer to
make a
> decision that's not only responsible to himself (and perhaps to the
financial
> security of his family should the FCC slap him with the typical
multi-thousand
> dollar fine), but responsible to all the other CBers that will be
negatively
> impacted by his selfishness.
>
> So discuss all you want. But when someone else brings up important topics
that
> are ignored in those conversations, just remember that by attempting to
supress
> those topics you are demonstrating your contempt for the Constitutional
right to
> free speech, the very right you embrace while discussing radio piracy.
>
> >Know what the funny thing is? I only know of "1" (one) person that was
on
> >this NG that got turned in to the FCC. The rest is still keying down.
> >Imagine that! With the rants of Leland, Doug, Frank, George, Ric and
Dave,
> >it ain't doing no good for these guys. Even when they go to there graves
> >(like Ric), ain't nothing gonna change.
>
> That's like saying that we should all just lay down and die now because we
are
> all going to die eventually. Well, feel free to do so, but I have other
plans.
> Contrary to your opinion, things do change. Sometimes they change for the
better
> and sometimes for the worse, but they do change. Some people would rather
> promote apathy and use the "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" excuse for
their
> lack of responsibility. Some, such as myself, would rather take an active
hand
> in changing things for the better. Because if everybody gives up and
starts
> doing whatever they please without conscience or restraint, the whole
thing
> falls apart into anarchy and the FCC drops the band -- not my idea of a
bright
> future for CB radio.
>
> >AKC??? You're wasting your time. You guys need to get out more often.
Go
> >play with your radio or something. Take it to the streets if you folks
want
> >something to happen. Don't bring it here to the NG. No one cares about
> >your rants. Look at the past 8 years since I've been here. Nothing
> >changed!
>
> Quite a bit has changed. Anti-legal CBers such as yourself no longer
control the
> newsgroup. Most have learned that everyone here has an equal voice, that
our
> voices can't be 'stepped-on', 'keyed-over', or otherwise supressed the way
they
> are on the radio. And loss of control over the airwaves by illegals isn't
far
> behind: Radio direction finding technology also falls under the 'freedom
of
> speech' umbrella, and their popularity is growing by leaps and bounds.
More and
> more CBers are learning that they can self-police their band just like the
hams,
> and many have learned that it can be fun at the same time. And because
illegal
> CBers are operating with more power, less responsibility, and dirtier
radios
> than ever before, the task isn't very difficult. Things have changed, and
will
> continue to change whether you like it or not.
>
> >I will still be here, in the background looking for CB radio
conversations.
> >I will still key the mobile on the air and I will still be looking for
skip
> >from elsewhere. We ain't going anywhere... we will still be here. Good
> >luck "AKC" in your endeavors... its like trying to pour the ocean into a
> >hole dug into the beach sand with a cup. Take care...
>
> Do whatever you feel you need to do. So will we.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[The2x4]

Thansk for saying dat'.
These purest guardians and their poor subjects need to
be sent packin'.

I will still key when I want to and talk where ever I can get to.
Who cares.........

The2x4


"RASTA" <sp
> For the amount of years I've spent here on this NG, I have yet to see[/color]
(hear)[i]
> the bandwidth cleaned up. More truckers are getting hired, more
> neighborhood idiots are still throwing "10-95's" while you're
chit-chatting,
> newer people are skip talking... what good is arguing here gonna do for
> cleaning up the band?
>
> Should I answer that?
>
> Don't need to.
>
> This NG is saved for open conversation about CB radio. Not random
bashing.
> Everybody wants to know how to mod a radio. Everybody wants to know where
> to purchase an amplifier. Everybody wants to know antenna efficiency and
> coax lengths. Is this breaking the law? NO! Discussing CB radio subject
> matter doesn't constitute the individual breaking any laws.
>
> Know what the funny thing is? I only know of "1" (one) person that was on
> this NG that got turned in to the FCC. The rest is still keying down.
> Imagine that! With the rants of Leland, Doug, Frank, George, Ric and
Dave,
> it ain't doing no good for these guys. Even when they go to there graves
> (like Ric), ain't nothing gonna change.
>
> AKC??? You're wasting your time. You guys need to get out more often.
Go
> play with your radio or something. Take it to the streets if you folks
want
> something to happen. Don't bring it here to the NG. No one cares about
> your rants. Look at the past 8 years since I've been here. Nothing
> changed!
>
> I will still be here, in the background looking for CB radio
conversations.
> I will still key the mobile on the air and I will still be looking for
skip
> from elsewhere. We ain't going anywhere... we will still be here. Good
> luck "AKC" in your endeavors... its like trying to pour the ocean into a
> hole dug into the beach sand with a cup. Take care...
>
>
>

[The2x4]

>
> I will still key when I want to and talk where ever I can get to.
> Who cares.........
>

Oh yeah with whatever it takes to get there!
> The2x4
>
>
>

[gw]

Frank Gilliland > wrote in message >...
> In >, "RASTA"
> <sp[i]
> >For the amount of years I've spent here on this NG, I have yet to see (hear)
> >the bandwidth cleaned up. More truckers are getting hired, more
> >neighborhood idiots are still throwing "10-95's" while you're chit-chatting,
> >newer people are skip talking... what good is arguing here gonna do for
> >cleaning up the band?
>
> Because through this newsgroup an anti-illegal position can be promoted which
> can directly influence the band. The concept is universal and it works; whether
> you call it social reinforcement, peer-pressure, or simply setting a good
> example, it's one way that responsible CBers can improve the situation.
>
> >Should I answer that?
> >
> >Don't need to.
> >
> >This NG is saved for open conversation about CB radio. Not random bashing.
> >Everybody wants to know how to mod a radio. Everybody wants to know where
> >to purchase an amplifier. Everybody wants to know antenna efficiency and
> >coax lengths. Is this breaking the law? NO! Discussing CB radio subject
> >matter doesn't constitute the individual breaking any laws.
>
> Nobody said it does, a point you seemed to have missed for the past several
> years. What it DOES constitute is the -encouragement- for people to break those
> laws by making the act much easier to accomplish. There are at least two
> different ways this 'information' makes lawbreaking easier:
>
> First, and most obvious, is that the information eliminates the need for the
> prospective lawbreakers to learn the technology, allowing them to take a
> criminal approach -- the 'quick and easy path' -- to accomplish their goals. I
> sincerely believe that if such information wasn't freely available, many more of
> these people would either educate themselves enough to turn their interest in
> radio into a legitimate hobby (or even a profession), or find it too difficult
> and abandon radio piracy in favor of more rewarding and responsible goals.
>
> The other way is from the attitude that these laws are trivial. Technical
> information on how to break the law with CB radio is usually provided without
> any warning that its application may cause interference to CBers and non-CBers
> alike, and most of the time it's not said that its use can be illegal. On the
> contrary, some even go so far as to play lawyer, informing people that federal
> communcation laws are "only rules" to be ignored. Then there are those that
> would have people believe the fantastic, such as that CB operation is impossible
> without illegal modifications or equipment, or that overmodulation is a good
> thing, or even that RF power is the end-all-beat-all of human existence. This
> only encourages illegal radio, and does absolutely nothing to improve the band
> or the newsgroup. And it certainly doesn't help the fence-sitting CBer to make a
> decision that's not only responsible to himself (and perhaps to the financial
> security of his family should the FCC slap him with the typical multi-thousand
> dollar fine), but responsible to all the other CBers that will be negatively
> impacted by his selfishness.
>
> So discuss all you want. But when someone else brings up important topics that
> are ignored in those conversations, just remember that by attempting to supress
> those topics you are demonstrating your contempt for the Constitutional right to
> free speech, the very right you embrace while discussing radio piracy.
>
> >Know what the funny thing is? I only know of "1" (one) person that was on
> >this NG that got turned in to the FCC. The rest is still keying down.
> >Imagine that! With the rants of Leland, Doug, Frank, George, Ric and Dave,
> >it ain't doing no good for these guys. Even when they go to there graves
> >(like Ric), ain't nothing gonna change.
>
> That's like saying that we should all just lay down and die now because we are
> all going to die eventually. Well, feel free to do so, but I have other plans.
> Contrary to your opinion, things do change. Sometimes they change for the better
> and sometimes for the worse, but they do change. Some people would rather
> promote apathy and use the "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" excuse for their
> lack of responsibility. Some, such as myself, would rather take an active hand
> in changing things for the better. Because if everybody gives up and starts
> doing whatever they please without conscience or restraint, the whole thing
> falls apart into anarchy and the FCC drops the band -- not my idea of a bright
> future for CB radio.
>
> >AKC??? You're wasting your time. You guys need to get out more often. Go
> >play with your radio or something. Take it to the streets if you folks want
> >something to happen. Don't bring it here to the NG. No one cares about
> >your rants. Look at the past 8 years since I've been here. Nothing
> >changed!
>
> Quite a bit has changed. Anti-legal CBers such as yourself no longer control the
> newsgroup. Most have learned that everyone here has an equal voice, that our
> voices can't be 'stepped-on', 'keyed-over', or otherwise supressed the way they
> are on the radio. And loss of control over the airwaves by illegals isn't far
> behind: Radio direction finding technology also falls under the 'freedom of
> speech' umbrella, and their popularity is growing by leaps and bounds. More and
> more CBers are learning that they can self-police their band just like the hams,
> and many have learned that it can be fun at the same time. And because illegal
> CBers are operating with more power, less responsibility, and dirtier radios
> than ever before, the task isn't very difficult. Things have changed, and will
> continue to change whether you like it or not.
>
> >I will still be here, in the background looking for CB radio conversations.
> >I will still key the mobile on the air and I will still be looking for skip
> >from elsewhere. We ain't going anywhere... we will still be here. Good
> >luck "AKC" in your endeavors... its like trying to pour the ocean into a
> >hole dug into the beach sand with a cup. Take care...
>
> Do whatever you feel you need to do. So will we.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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mr gilliland............most of the people using amps and using cb
radios..........they don't even get on here nor do they know about
this newsgroup.........hell....most of them can't even use a
computer..........so please .......this newsgroup does not affect
anyone's behavior in the least..........that argument is falacious and
the only damn reason you say that is to justify your silly pitiful
behavior.........grow up and get a life pal................

[RASTA]

"Frank Gilliland" > wrote in message
...
>
> Because through this newsgroup an anti-illegal position can be promoted
which
> can directly influence the band. The concept is universal and it works;
whether
> you call it social reinforcement, peer-pressure, or simply setting a good
> example, it's one way that responsible CBers can improve the situation.
>
Understood. But through constant "bickering"? By all means, I can see and
respect that you and your fellow compadres are actively taking part in
trying to "take up arms" (per say) in reminding others about the legalities
of radio. But through this newsgroup, people wants information about RADIO!
Not Part 97 of the FCC Regulations. If "they" want to commit " radio
piracy", then that's "their" choice. Of course, your choice is to prevent
that... but that is your choice too. But constant arguments is not going to
influence anything but chase the newcomer away... and this newsgroup will
not fulfill its intended purpose. CB radio information.


> Nobody said it does, a point you seemed to have missed for the past
several
> years. What it DOES constitute is the -encouragement- for people to break
those
> laws by making the act much easier to accomplish. There are at least two
> different ways this 'information' makes lawbreaking easier:
>
Franklin... whether this makes any sense, the internet's expanse is too
infinte to try to stop anyone(s) hunger for information. Whether they get
their information from here or not, there is too many websites that
information can be attained from. You or your counterparts cannot stop
that. Even if you try to throw in a little bit of the regulations in a
thread, info seekers will just move on and find other forums to get the info
needed.


> First, and most obvious, is that the information eliminates the need for
the
> prospective lawbreakers to learn the technology, allowing them to take a
> criminal approach -- the 'quick and easy path' -- to accomplish their
goals. I
> sincerely believe that if such information wasn't freely available, many
more of
> these people would either educate themselves enough to turn their interest
in
> radio into a legitimate hobby (or even a profession), or find it too
difficult
> and abandon radio piracy in favor of more rewarding and responsible goals.
>
This may sound bad, but CB radio will not influence anyone to accomplish any
goals. It is a hobby. It is not a lifestyle. One thing is for certain...
society as a whole doesn't need anyone from Louisiana, Washington State,
Ohio, New York or Philadelphia to tell it what it can do and what it can't.
Society is self-educated. It's the way it is. And trying to "STOP" that
"freely available" information is like "...trying to pour the ocean into a
hole dug into the beach sand with a cup."


> The other way is from the attitude that these laws are trivial. Technical
> information on how to break the law with CB radio is usually provided
without
> any warning that its application may cause interference to CBers and
non-CBers
> alike, and most of the time it's not said that its use can be illegal. On
the
> contrary, some even go so far as to play lawyer, informing people that
federal
> communcation laws are "only rules" to be ignored. Then there are those
that
> would have people believe the fantastic, such as that CB operation is
impossible
> without illegal modifications or equipment, or that overmodulation is a
good
> thing, or even that RF power is the end-all-beat-all of human existence.
This
> only encourages illegal radio, and does absolutely nothing to improve the
band
> or the newsgroup. And it certainly doesn't help the fence-sitting CBer to
make a
> decision that's not only responsible to himself (and perhaps to the
financial
> security of his family should the FCC slap him with the typical
multi-thousand
> dollar fine), but responsible to all the other CBers that will be
negatively
> impacted by his selfishness.
>
I cannot challenge this. You are absolutely right. But... do you think
that this will "scare" seasoned CBer's and newcomers? If people want to
test their chances? They will most likely will. Not to bring up a moot and
previously discussed topic but does "speeding" ring a bell?


> So discuss all you want. But when someone else brings up important topics
that
> are ignored in those conversations, just remember that by attempting to
supress
> those topics you are demonstrating your contempt for the Constitutional
right to
> free speech, the very right you embrace while discussing radio piracy.
>
Free Speech is Free Speech... but COME ON! This **** is OLD! Even in
technical threads that have nothing to do with radio piracy ends up becoming
a "thread" not "discussion" of LEGALITIES. If I wanted a Forum mommy, I
would asked for one...

..
> That's like saying that we should all just lay down and die now because we
are
> all going to die eventually. Well, feel free to do so, but I have other
plans.
>
YES! Please die. I don't care about your plans... just DIE already!


> Contrary to your opinion, things do change. Sometimes they change for the
better
> and sometimes for the worse, but they do change. Some people would rather
> promote apathy and use the "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" excuse for
their
> lack of responsibility. Some, such as myself, would rather take an active
hand
> in changing things for the better. Because if everybody gives up and
starts
> doing whatever they please without conscience or restraint, the whole
thing
> falls apart into anarchy and the FCC drops the band -- not my idea of a
bright
> future for CB radio.
>
As previously stated, CB radio is a hobby. Not a lifestyle. If CB radio is
your "bread and butter", you might want to rethink your future. It's
looking a little dim. Since its beginnings, when has CB radio "not" been in
anarchy?


> Quite a bit has changed. Anti-legal CBers such as yourself no longer
control the newsgroup.
>
WHAT? How dare you assume such? Because I look for skip on SSB makes me a
"baby-killer" now? I could give a rats-ass about who controls the NG. I am
here for technical conversations with like-minded individuals in a hobby
that I enjoy. Maybe getting a HAM ticket is not my cup of tea. I could
give a **** about change either. Again, I am here for technical
conversations with like-minded individuals in a hobby that I enjoy.
Sheesh...


> Most have learned that everyone here has an equal voice, that our
> voices can't be 'stepped-on', 'keyed-over', or otherwise supressed the way
they
> are on the radio. And loss of control over the airwaves by illegals isn't
far
> behind: Radio direction finding technology also falls under the 'freedom
of
> speech' umbrella, and their popularity is growing by leaps and bounds.
More and
> more CBers are learning that they can self-police their band just like the
hams,
> and many have learned that it can be fun at the same time. And because
illegal
> CBers are operating with more power, less responsibility, and dirtier
radios
> than ever before, the task isn't very difficult. Things have changed, and
will
> continue to change whether you like it or not.
>
I may disappear... but things will never change, Believe what you may, but
no one ever dies... they just multiply.


> Do whatever you feel you need to do. So will we.
>
I knew you were gonna say that... have a good day.

[The2x4]

There are less than a dozen purest guardians and their
adversaries so it won't fill up your killfile. They produce 95.94%
of all the posts on here.

I'm with you RASTA, I just want to discuss radio......

The2x4

"RASTA" <sp
> "Frank Gilliland" > wrote in message
> ...[i]
> >
> > Because through this newsgroup an anti-illegal position can be promoted[/color]

[Frank Gilliland]

In >, "RASTA"
<sp
>"Frank Gilliland" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> Because through this newsgroup an anti-illegal position can be promoted
>which
>> can directly influence the band. The concept is universal and it works;
>whether
>> you call it social reinforcement, peer-pressure, or simply setting a good
>> example, it's one way that responsible CBers can improve the situation.
>>
>Understood. But through constant "bickering"? By all means, I can see and
>respect that you and your fellow compadres are actively taking part in
>trying to "take up arms" (per say) in reminding others about the legalities
>of radio. But through this newsgroup, people wants information about RADIO!
>Not Part 97 of the FCC Regulations. If "they" want to commit " radio
>piracy", then that's "their" choice. Of course, your choice is to prevent
>that... but that is your choice too. But constant arguments is not going to
>influence anything but chase the newcomer away... and this newsgroup will
>not fulfill its intended purpose. CB radio information.[/color]

Is that why you are arguing with me now? Was the purpose of your original post
in this thread to discuss "CB radio information"? Practice what you preach.
[i]
>> Nobody said it does, a point you seemed to have missed for the past
>several
>> years. What it DOES constitute is the -encouragement- for people to break
>those
>> laws by making the act much easier to accomplish. There are at least two
>> different ways this 'information' makes lawbreaking easier:
>>
>Franklin... whether this makes any sense, the internet's expanse is too
>infinte to try to stop anyone(s) hunger for information. Whether they get
>their information from here or not, there is too many websites that
>information can be attained from. You or your counterparts cannot stop
>that. Even if you try to throw in a little bit of the regulations in a
>thread, info seekers will just move on and find other forums to get the info
>needed.

Of course this information can't be supressed. But it -can- be evaluated for
it's technical validity. For example, "swang" is a new word for an old concept:
DSBRC (Double-SideBand Reduced Carrier), a mode given up over half a century ago
because it causes more problems than it solves. So when a CB newbie listens to
some dummy talking about 'bird-watts', don't you think he would like to know the
truth of the matter? Of course he would, and that's all I'm doing. It's the
"golden-screwdriver" techs that spread this 'information', and instead of
supressing it, I just tell what the 'information' really means so the CBer can
make an informed decision as to whether or not to trash his radio.

>> First, and most obvious, is that the information eliminates the need for
>the
>> prospective lawbreakers to learn the technology, allowing them to take a
>> criminal approach -- the 'quick and easy path' -- to accomplish their
>goals. I
>> sincerely believe that if such information wasn't freely available, many
>more of
>> these people would either educate themselves enough to turn their interest
>in
>> radio into a legitimate hobby (or even a profession), or find it too
>difficult
>> and abandon radio piracy in favor of more rewarding and responsible goals.
>>
>This may sound bad, but CB radio will not influence anyone to accomplish any
>goals. It is a hobby. It is not a lifestyle. One thing is for certain...
>society as a whole doesn't need anyone from Louisiana, Washington State,
>Ohio, New York or Philadelphia to tell it what it can do and what it can't.
>Society is self-educated. It's the way it is. And trying to "STOP" that
>"freely available" information is like "...trying to pour the ocean into a
>hole dug into the beach sand with a cup."

I think you are taking the word "goals" to the extreme -- I merely meant that if
a person wants more from radio than what the CB has to offer then he has three
choices: 1) Memorize the question pool and get a license; 2) Operate illegally;
or 3) Find another hobby. And no, the information isn't going away, but as I
said before, that 'information' is incomplete. If the CBer knows all the facts
then he can make a decision that's better for both him and the band.

>> The other way is from the attitude that these laws are trivial. Technical
>> information on how to break the law with CB radio is usually provided
>without
>> any warning that its application may cause interference to CBers and
>non-CBers
>> alike, and most of the time it's not said that its use can be illegal. On
>the
>> contrary, some even go so far as to play lawyer, informing people that
>federal
>> communcation laws are "only rules" to be ignored. Then there are those
>that
>> would have people believe the fantastic, such as that CB operation is
>impossible
>> without illegal modifications or equipment, or that overmodulation is a
>good
>> thing, or even that RF power is the end-all-beat-all of human existence.
>This
>> only encourages illegal radio, and does absolutely nothing to improve the
>band
>> or the newsgroup. And it certainly doesn't help the fence-sitting CBer to
>make a
>> decision that's not only responsible to himself (and perhaps to the
>financial
>> security of his family should the FCC slap him with the typical
>multi-thousand
>> dollar fine), but responsible to all the other CBers that will be
>negatively
>> impacted by his selfishness.
>>
>I cannot challenge this. You are absolutely right. But... do you think
>that this will "scare" seasoned CBer's and newcomers? If people want to
>test their chances? They will most likely will. Not to bring up a moot and
>previously discussed topic but does "speeding" ring a bell?

Since you brought it up, speeding isn't a federal offense and doesn't carry a
maximum fine of $17,000. That may scare some, while it may be nothing more than
a financial risk to others. But it's DEFINITELY something that everyone should
know BEFORE they make that decision.

>> So discuss all you want. But when someone else brings up important topics
>that
>> are ignored in those conversations, just remember that by attempting to
>supress
>> those topics you are demonstrating your contempt for the Constitutional
>right to
>> free speech, the very right you embrace while discussing radio piracy.
>>
>Free Speech is Free Speech... but COME ON! This **** is OLD! Even in
>technical threads that have nothing to do with radio piracy ends up becoming
>a "thread" not "discussion" of LEGALITIES. If I wanted a Forum mommy, I
>would asked for one...

There have been MANY technical discussions here that haven't become a thread
about legalities. But you are right, many technical discussions do end up about
legalities. Why? I'll tell you...

Just for the sake of argument, just how technical can CB get? I mean, the CB is
a radio service that was intended to have minimal technical requirements, which
is why there is no license (and when a license was required in the past it
required no test of technical competence). Just hook up the power, run the
antenna, plug in the mic and you're working (and to think that some people make
that their hobby...LOL!). Yet most technical discussions seem to be about swang,
bird-watts, keydowns, amps, flame-throwing antennas and being as loud as
possible. IOW, most of the technical topics here focus around -illegal- CB, and
that's why legal issues come up so often.

Slightly OT, why does everything here have to be about technical topics? How
about making a hobby of COMMUNICATING on the CB? About the only posts made in
this newsgroup even remotely close to -that- topic are Twisty's DX reports.
Doesn't anybody think about what's possible with CB radio? Like, how about
setting up CB broadcasts for Amber Alerts, or organizing networks for public
events? When was the last time you saw any mention of the REACT program in this
newsgroup? :end rant

>.
>> That's like saying that we should all just lay down and die now because we
>are
>> all going to die eventually. Well, feel free to do so, but I have other
>plans.
>>
>YES! Please die. I don't care about your plans... just DIE already!

If I bother you that much then maybe you should take a break from the newsgroups
for a while.

>> Contrary to your opinion, things do change. Sometimes they change for the
>better
>> and sometimes for the worse, but they do change. Some people would rather
>> promote apathy and use the "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" excuse for
>their
>> lack of responsibility. Some, such as myself, would rather take an active
>hand
>> in changing things for the better. Because if everybody gives up and
>starts
>> doing whatever they please without conscience or restraint, the whole
>thing
>> falls apart into anarchy and the FCC drops the band -- not my idea of a
>bright
>> future for CB radio.
>>
>As previously stated, CB radio is a hobby. Not a lifestyle. If CB radio is
>your "bread and butter", you might want to rethink your future. It's
>looking a little dim. Since its beginnings, when has CB radio "not" been in
>anarchy?

Your choice to believe that CB is in a state of anarchy is nothing but a
precursor to that "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" excuse I mentioned before.

>> Quite a bit has changed. Anti-legal CBers such as yourself no longer
>control the newsgroup.
>>
>WHAT? How dare you assume such? Because I look for skip on SSB makes me a
>"baby-killer" now?

WHOA there butthole, where did I say anything about being a "baby-killer"? You
need to take a step back (and probably a Valium).

> I could give a rats-ass about who controls the NG. I am
>here for technical conversations with like-minded individuals in a hobby
>that I enjoy. Maybe getting a HAM ticket is not my cup of tea. I could
>give a **** about change either. Again, I am here for technical
>conversations with like-minded individuals in a hobby that I enjoy.
>Sheesh...

If you are so stupid that you can't handle the unbelievably simple requirements
to get a license and operate legally, then could give a **** about your "hobby".

>> Most have learned that everyone here has an equal voice, that our
>> voices can't be 'stepped-on', 'keyed-over', or otherwise supressed the way
>they
>> are on the radio. And loss of control over the airwaves by illegals isn't
>far
>> behind: Radio direction finding technology also falls under the 'freedom
>of
>> speech' umbrella, and their popularity is growing by leaps and bounds.
>More and
>> more CBers are learning that they can self-police their band just like the
>hams,
>> and many have learned that it can be fun at the same time. And because
>illegal
>> CBers are operating with more power, less responsibility, and dirtier
>radios
>> than ever before, the task isn't very difficult. Things have changed, and
>will
>> continue to change whether you like it or not.
>>
>I may disappear... but things will never change, Believe what you may, but
>no one ever dies... they just multiply.

I don't suppose you have ever heard of the Anasazi....

>> Do whatever you feel you need to do. So will we.
>>
>I knew you were gonna say that...

RASTA, the Keyclown Psychic.

> have a good day.

I usually do.







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[Frank Gilliland]

In >, "The2x4"
> wrote:

>There are less than a dozen purest guardians and their
>adversaries so it won't fill up your killfile. They produce 95.94%
>of all the posts on here.
>
>I'm with you RASTA, I just want to discuss radio......
>
>The2x4

It's good to see that you have recovered from your drunken rampage through the
newsgroups yesterday.





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[RASTA]

"Frank Gilliland" > wrote in message
...

> Is that why you are arguing with me now? Was the purpose of your original
post
> in this thread to discuss "CB radio information"? Practice what you
preach.
>
I am just stating the facts, not arguing.


> Of course this information can't be supressed. But it -can- be evaluated
for
> it's technical validity. For example, "swang" is a new word for an old
concept:
> DSBRC (Double-SideBand Reduced Carrier), a mode given up over half a
century ago
> because it causes more problems than it solves. So when a CB newbie
listens to
> some dummy talking about 'bird-watts', don't you think he would like to
know the
> truth of the matter? Of course he would, and that's all I'm doing. It's
the
> "golden-screwdriver" techs that spread this 'information', and instead of
> supressing it, I just tell what the 'information' really means so the CBer
can
> make an informed decision as to whether or not to trash his radio.
>
Whether you like it or not, do you suppose that you are arguing about things
that you and the so-called "golden crewdrivers" agree upon? Sometimes I
have to re-read the posts and find out that both of you folks are saying the
exact same thing, just in a different way. Maybe some people don't have the
technical "tongue" like you do, but chastizing such people only degrades
your validity. Do you like getting picked on?


> I think you are taking the word "goals" to the extreme --
>
That's what you wrote and I just merely responded to your post.


> I merely meant that if
> a person wants more from radio than what the CB has to offer then he has
three
> choices: 1) Memorize the question pool and get a license; 2) Operate
illegally;
> or 3) Find another hobby. And no, the information isn't going away, but as
I
> said before, that 'information' is incomplete. If the CBer knows all the
facts
> then he can make a decision that's better for both him and the band.
>
True.


> Since you brought it up, speeding isn't a federal offense and doesn't
carry a
> maximum fine of $17,000. That may scare some, while it may be nothing more
than
> a financial risk to others. But it's DEFINITELY something that everyone
should
> know BEFORE they make that decision.
>
But on the contrary, Frank. Speeding can be a cause of many felonious
behaviors. Like radio, like speeding. It is the same thing. Owning a
radio is not a federal offense. Operating it "illegally" is. Speeding is
not a federal offense. Speeding and killing someone is. Know what I mean?


> There have been MANY technical discussions here that haven't become a
thread
> about legalities. But you are right, many technical discussions do end up
about
> legalities. Why? I'll tell you...
>
> Just for the sake of argument, just how technical can CB get? I mean, the
CB is
> a radio service that was intended to have minimal technical requirements,
which
> is why there is no license (and when a license was required in the past it
> required no test of technical competence). Just hook up the power, run the
> antenna, plug in the mic and you're working (and to think that some people
make
> that their hobby...LOL!). Yet most technical discussions seem to be about
swang,
> bird-watts, keydowns, amps, flame-throwing antennas and being as loud as
> possible. IOW, most of the technical topics here focus around -illegal-
CB, and
> that's why legal issues come up so often.
>
What's wrong with that? Talking about such subjects is not illegal. Even
if -encourages- such illegal activities, let them suffer the consequences.
Not rub it in...


> Slightly OT, why does everything here have to be about technical topics?
How
> about making a hobby of COMMUNICATING on the CB? About the only posts made
in
> this newsgroup even remotely close to -that- topic are Twisty's DX
reports.
>
But you and your compadres BASH him for it.


> Doesn't anybody think about what's possible with CB radio? Like, how about
> setting up CB broadcasts for Amber Alerts, or organizing networks for
public
> events? When was the last time you saw any mention of the REACT program in
this
> newsgroup? :
>
Have you done such a thing? You may say you do or don't, but how do I know.
It's one thing to talk about starting such broadcasts and another about
actually doing it.


> end rant
>
Thanks...


> If I bother you that much then maybe you should take a break from the
newsgroups
> for a while.
>
It was a joke, Franklin. A little humor didn't hurt nobody.


> Your choice to believe that CB is in a state of anarchy is nothing but a
> precursor to that "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" excuse I mentioned
before.
>
No. It is a trend. "...beat 'em, join 'em" had nothing to do with what
was, did, is and will go on. And soon, like the CB boom of the '70's, it
will fade away and slowly creep back up again. That's the way it is and
that's the truth.


> WHOA there butthole, where did I say anything about being a "baby-killer"?
You
> need to take a step back (and probably a Valium).
>
Like you, like me... I just posted my reaction to your post. I wish I could
get ahold of some Valium right now... my back is killing me.


> If you are so stupid that you can't handle the unbelievably simple
requirements
> to get a license and operate legally, then could give a **** about your
"hobby".
>
NOW I'M STUPID... when does it stop, Frank? You're the stupid one that
frequents this NG day in and day out, EVERYday for the past (3) years since
my last post. I've read and you're still here. And you just don't get the
notion that you are the subject of mockery by everyone here (except your AKC
cheering section). And you're calling me stupid? I work on my Harley
instead of messing with these cats in here that do not get the message you
and the AKC is trying to promote.


> I don't suppose you have ever heard of the Anasazi....
>
That was then... this is now. You mean to tell me you are going to be a
cultural influence and change things over night? How about something more
previous in history... have you ever heard of "BUCKWHEAT" ?<snicker>


> RASTA, the Keyclown Psychic.
>
No. Just a RASTA... we tell the truth.


> > have a good day.
>
> I usually do.
>
When you do have a nice day, you usually shoot that **** down by coming here
and getting your blood-pressure up. What is this about you drinking now?

But really, have a good one.

[Chim Bubba]

On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 11:55:04 -0500, "The2x4" >
wrote:

>There are less than a dozen purest guardians and their
>adversaries so it won't fill up your killfile. They produce 95.94%
>of all the posts on here.
>
>I'm with you RASTA, I just want to discuss radio......
>
>The2x4

Me too! Always have. That is the main reason for coming here but as
was mentioned by others before. The crap that goes on in this group
NEVER and I mean NEVER even affects the real guy on the cb. I mean
forget about the diehard guys as was said they dont even know this
place exists and for the ones that do and by the small chance even
visit here, they still get on their big linears and talk skip or
compete as they choose! It affects nothing in the real world but yes
it may have bothered some who are on this group. In reality for the
guy that at this very moment is using a 16 pill linear talking skip
and enjoying his setup, doesn't give a rat's ass that there are some
old geeky folk on some newsgroup somewhere that dont like what he is
doing. I mean even if I went and told him!
The bickering and all the childish sex talk does nothing to promote
the anti key cause.

[Aaron H. Voobner]

Earl Johnston wrote:
>I understand that for those of you in the United States, CB is
>restricted to ground wave communication. However, others in this
>forum are able to talk skip without running afoul of our national
>regulations.

Can you name a country or countries where unlicensed 11 meter DX
hobby-type operation is specifically authorized? As far as I know,
international treaty does not permit unlicensed "HF DX" radio
services. You should not assume that some foreign country allows 11
meter DX just because you heard them on the radio. I would like to see
verifiable proof, such a grant, authorization, or other form of
governmental decree.

Thanks...

-Aaron-

[Aaron H. Voobner]

Chim Bubba wrote:
>Me too! Always have. That is the main reason for coming here but as
>was mentioned by others before. The crap that goes on in this group
>NEVER and I mean NEVER even affects the real guy on the cb.

So what's your problem? Why even waste your energy of coming in here
and complaining about it? It's been going on for so long, nothing's
ever gonna change it.You can't accomplish anything with whining.It's a
losing battle. It's like trying to drain the ocean with a teacup.You
might as well just give up.What you're doing is useless.
(sarcasm/irony intentional)

>I mean
>forget about the diehard guys as was said they dont even know this
>place exists and for the ones that do and by the small chance even
>visit here, they still get on their big linears and talk skip or
>compete as they choose! It affects nothing in the real world but yes
>it may have bothered some who are on this group. In reality for the
>guy that at this very moment is using a 16 pill linear talking skip
>and enjoying his setup, doesn't give a rat's ass that there are some
>old geeky folk on some newsgroup somewhere that dont like what he is
>doing. I mean even if I went and told him!

I think Dave Hall said it best:

"There are many people out there that are "on the fence" with regard
to whether or not to follow the law or not. Those are the people that
will hopefully read what is discussed here and decide that it might
not be a good idea to break the law. THOSE are the people that we're
trying to reach. Those that are hopelessly incorrigable will continue
their anti-social ways until the law finally catches up with them. Of
course you can't blame those of us that understand the purpose of law,
from assisting the people entrusted with enforcing the law, by
gathering evidence for them. It's called looking after our best
interests."

-Aaron-

[Landshark]

Let me help you a little here GW:

"gw" > wrote in message
om...
> Frank Gilliland > wrote in message
>...
> > In >, "RASTA"
> > <sp
> > >For the amount of years I've spent here on this NG, I have yet to see (hear)
> > >the bandwidth cleaned up. More truckers are getting hired, more
> > >neighborhood idiots are still throwing "10-95's" while you're chit-chatting,
> > >newer people are skip talking... what good is arguing here gonna do for
> > >cleaning up the band?
> >
> > Because through this newsgroup an anti-illegal position can be promoted which
> > can directly influence the band. The concept is universal and it works; whether
> > you call it social reinforcement, peer-pressure, or simply setting a good
> > example, it's one way that responsible CBers can improve the situation.
> >[/color]

Why not get a job at the FCC? otherwise it's
just trolling.
[i]
> > >Should I answer that?
> > >
> > >Don't need to.
> > >
> > >This NG is saved for open conversation about CB radio. Not random bashing.
> > >Everybody wants to know how to mod a radio. Everybody wants to know where
> > >to purchase an amplifier. Everybody wants to know antenna efficiency and
> > >coax lengths. Is this breaking the law? NO! Discussing CB radio subject
> > >matter doesn't constitute the individual breaking any laws.
> >
> > Nobody said it does, a point you seemed to have missed for the past several
> > years. What it DOES constitute is the -encouragement- for people to break those
> > laws by making the act much easier to accomplish. There are at least two
> > different ways this 'information' makes lawbreaking easier:
> >
> > First, and most obvious, is that the information eliminates the need for the
> > prospective lawbreakers to learn the technology, allowing them to take a
> > criminal approach -- the 'quick and easy path' -- to accomplish their goals. I
> > sincerely believe that if such information wasn't freely available, many more of
> > these people would either educate themselves enough to turn their interest in
> > radio into a legitimate hobby (or even a profession), or find it too difficult
> > and abandon radio piracy in favor of more rewarding and responsible goals.
> >

Again, same answer if you are so concerned why not
join the FCC, you'll feel a lot better being able to
actually enforce the laws than troll the newsgroup

> > The other way is from the attitude that these laws are trivial. Technical
> > information on how to break the law with CB radio is usually provided without
> > any warning that its application may cause interference to CBers and non-CBers
> > alike, and most of the time it's not said that its use can be illegal. On the
> > contrary, some even go so far as to play lawyer, informing people that federal
> > communcation laws are "only rules" to be ignored.

They are only rules, part 95 is just that, rules. But they
aren't to be ignored, because after many repeated violations
they can charge you with breaking a "Law", but that is far
and few between.

< Then there are those that
> > would have people believe the fantastic, such as that CB operation is impossible
> > without illegal modifications or equipment, or that overmodulation is a good
> > thing, or even that RF power is the end-all-beat-all of human existence. This
> > only encourages illegal radio, and does absolutely nothing to improve the band
> > or the newsgroup. And it certainly doesn't help the fence-sitting CBer to make a
> > decision that's not only responsible to himself (and perhaps to the financial
> > security of his family should the FCC slap him with the typical multi-thousand
> > dollar fine), but responsible to all the other CBers that will be negatively
> > impacted by his selfishness.
> >
> > So discuss all you want. But when someone else brings up important topics that
> > are ignored in those conversations, just remember that by attempting to supress
> > those topics you are demonstrating your contempt for the Constitutional right to
> > free speech, the very right you embrace while discussing radio piracy.
> >
> > >Know what the funny thing is? I only know of "1" (one) person that was on
> > >this NG that got turned in to the FCC. The rest is still keying down.
> > >Imagine that! With the rants of Leland, Doug, Frank, George, Ric and Dave,
> > >it ain't doing no good for these guys. Even when they go to there graves
> > >(like Ric), ain't nothing gonna change.
> >
> > That's like saying that we should all just lay down and die now because we are
> > all going to die eventually. Well, feel free to do so, but I have other plans.
> > Contrary to your opinion, things do change. Sometimes they change for the better
> > and sometimes for the worse, but they do change. Some people would rather
> > promote apathy and use the "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" excuse for their
> > lack of responsibility. Some, such as myself, would rather take an active hand
> > in changing things for the better.

Again, feel free to join the FCC, they'll welcome
you with open arms. But otherwise, anything other
than tech advise, you're trolling.

> Because if everybody gives up and starts
> > doing whatever they please without conscience or restraint, the whole thing
> > falls apart into anarchy and the FCC drops the band -- not my idea of a bright
> > future for CB radio.
> >
> > >AKC??? You're wasting your time. You guys need to get out more often. Go
> > >play with your radio or something. Take it to the streets if you folks want
> > >something to happen. Don't bring it here to the NG. No one cares about
> > >your rants. Look at the past 8 years since I've been here. Nothing
> > >changed!
> >
> > Quite a bit has changed. Anti-legal CBers such as yourself no longer control the
> > newsgroup. Most have learned that everyone here has an equal voice, that our
> > voices can't be 'stepped-on', 'keyed-over', or otherwise supressed the way they
> > are on the radio. And loss of control over the airwaves by illegals isn't far
> > behind: Radio direction finding technology also falls under the 'freedom of
> > speech' umbrella, and their popularity is growing by leaps and bounds. More and
> > more CBers are learning that they can self-police their band just like the hams,
> > and many have learned that it can be fun at the same time. And because illegal
> > CBers are operating with more power, less responsibility, and dirtier radios
> > than ever before, the task isn't very difficult. Things have changed, and will
> > continue to change whether you like it or not.


LOL!!!! Frank's losing it again.... Illusions of grandeur!

> >
> > >I will still be here, in the background looking for CB radio conversations.
> > >I will still key the mobile on the air and I will still be looking for skip
> > >from elsewhere. We ain't going anywhere... we will still be here. Good
> > >luck "AKC" in your endeavors... its like trying to pour the ocean into a
> > >hole dug into the beach sand with a cup. Take care...
> >
> > Do whatever you feel you need to do. So will we.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>
> mr gilliland............most of the people using amps and using cb
> radios..........they don't even get on here nor do they know about
> this newsgroup.........hell....most of them can't even use a
> computer..........so please .......this newsgroup does not affect
> anyone's behavior in the least..........that argument is falacious and
> the only damn reason you say that is to justify your silly pitiful
> behavior.........grow up and get a life pal................


Maybe that will help you a little better GW.

Landshark


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being a newsgroupie

73 Baja Stroppe Bronco
98 Buell S3 Thunderbolt
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[RASTA]

"Frank Gilliland" > wrote in message
...

<snip, snip>
> Nope.
>
How so?


<snip, snip>
> Killing somebody is homicide, not speeding.
>
The means just justifies the end.


> Nor is talking about the legality of such subjects.
>
Then where does name calling come into play?


> You whined about how so many technical threads end up in legal
discussions. I
> explained why it happens. What's the problem?
>
Now I'm a whiner. Good god...

There is no problem. The solution is not to drag **** out like this thread.
I only post the truth, what is your problem? Can't handle the truth?


> I bash him -regardless- of his psuedo-relevant contributions to the group.
>
As far as his contributions to the group goes, it's like yours and your
compadres rants. Does nothing for this group.


> Actually, now that I think about it, an unofficial "Amber Alert Channel"
isn't
> such a bad idea. After all, the broadcasting of emergency information and
road
> conditions is allowed. I think I'll send an email off to the FCC to see if
it's
> legal to broadcast Amber Alert information.
>
THERE YOU GO! Something positive for all CBer's (in your parts) can use.
Heck, I might do the same here.


> Wishing someone to die isn't very funny.
>
sheesh...


> Nothing lasts forever.
>
Radio will.


> Don't forget that I was also the subject of harassment. And I'm not
talking
> about basic trolling or flaming. I'm talking about being stalked, getting
> threats in the email, attempts to intercept my private email
conversations, and
> having N7VCF's phone number posted hundreds of times with instructions on
when
> to call and how not to get traced. But you didn't complain about that, did
you?
> Instead you are complaining about ME posting "EVERYday" for three years,
which
> isn't true at all.
>
You brought that upon yourself, Franklin. When you and your counterparts
started flaming this NG bigtime in '99, it got way out of control. When
control is lost, then you have CHAOS. And that is the fruits that the AKC
beared. There was no one else to blame but the AKC. Sorry man, that's the
truth.


> You want to talk about stupid? I worked most of my life in radio, spent
five
> years earning my degree, work full-time as a BE and part-time in my own
shop
> (and it ain't a CB radio shop). I spend a lot of time on the computer
because
> it's a major part of what I do for a career. Sometimes work is slow and I
post
> more often, and other times work is busy and I post less frequently. Now
how is
> that stupid?
>
That is your problem. I don't see anything here that directly affects your
'career'. What's wrong with that? Nor do I see anyone here affecting your
business. Coming here during business hours and flaming kids from Florida
IS stupid.


> I said nothing of the sort. Don't read your opinions into my statments.
>
Explain then...


> > How about something more
> >previous in history... have you ever heard of "BUCKWHEAT" ?<snicker>
>
> Apparenly not, since I don't get the joke.
>
Obviously...


> It's another of Twisty's rumors. He enjoys accusing people of things he
thinks
> can't be disproven in the newsgroup. He has also accused me of being five
> different hammies and I'm not even a ham. So give it as much weight as you
feel
> is justified.
>
> >But really, have a good one.
>
> Like I said, I usually do.
>
Whatever. But let me clarify something...

My original post was for what I saw and read. I did not post my original
message to attack you at all, Franklin. That was not my intentions. You
made it your business to reply to my post. Now if it was someone else from
your AKC Organization, then I would've responded to their post. Don't take
this as personal as you think it is-because it is not. I just merely posted
the truth.

Anyway, go ahead and have a good one. This one is on me... free of charge.
REALLY...

[sheik yerbooti]

"RASTA" <sp
> You brought that upon yourself, Franklin. When you and your counterparts
> started flaming this NG bigtime in '99, it got way out of control. When
> control is lost, then you have CHAOS. And that is the fruits that the AKC
> beared. There was no one else to blame but the AKC. Sorry man, that's[/color]
the[i]
> truth.


How long have you been trolling this NG and under what name?

[Earl Johnston]

On 13 Jul 2003 21:36:25 -0700, (Aaron H.
Voobner) wrote:

>Can you name a country or countries where unlicensed 11 meter DX
>hobby-type operation is specifically authorized?

No. I doubt there is one.

Can you name a country where people are "specifically authorized" to
wear a blue shirt with green pants? I doubt there is one.

The fact that it is not "specifically authorized" does not mean it is
not permitted. In most of the world, anything which is not forbidden,
is permitted. Unless it is "specifically FORBIDDEN", I may play catch
with my son, go for long walks on the beach, DX on 11 meters, use a
power drill and wear a blue shirt with green pants.


> .....As far as I know,
>international treaty does not permit unlicensed "HF DX" radio
>services.

I believe you are correct. With almost all international treaties,
there are a number of countries which don't sign on. Worldwide
agreement is extremely rare. I have seen no evidence to suggest that
EVERY county in the world has signed on to the ITU ( or other )
international agreements regarding unlicensed radio operation.

[RASTA]

"sheik yerbooti" > wrote in message
...
>
> "RASTA" <sp
> > You brought that upon yourself, Franklin. When you and your[/color]
counterparts[i]
> > started flaming this NG bigtime in '99, it got way out of control. When
> > control is lost, then you have CHAOS. And that is the fruits that the
AKC
> > beared. There was no one else to blame but the AKC. Sorry man, that's
> the
> > truth.
>
>
> How long have you been trolling this NG and under what name?
>

How about this... what is your name and what is your email address? You
post yours with proof and I will post mine.

I gotta see this one...

[Frank Gilliland]

In >, "RASTA"
<sp
>"Frank Gilliland" > wrote in message
...
>
><snip, snip>
>> Nope.
>>
>How so?[/color]

For example, many of them think that snipping the limiter is a good thing, when
in fact it isn't. Many think that Class C amps are linear but they are not. Etc,
etc, etc.

><snip, snip>
>> Killing somebody is homicide, not speeding.
>>
>The means just justifies the end.

If the means is 'speeding' and the end is 'homocide', how is homocide justified
by speeding?

>> Nor is talking about the legality of such subjects.
>>
>Then where does name calling come into play?

When you claimed that I made the jump from talking skip to killing babies.

>> You whined about how so many technical threads end up in legal
>discussions. I
>> explained why it happens. What's the problem?
>>
>Now I'm a whiner. Good god...
>
>There is no problem. The solution is not to drag **** out like this thread.
>I only post the truth, what is your problem? Can't handle the truth?

I never said you didn't, and I replied with more truth. Again, what's the
problem?

>> I bash him -regardless- of his psuedo-relevant contributions to the group.
>>
>As far as his contributions to the group goes, it's like yours and your
>compadres rants. Does nothing for this group.

Then why don't you post a rant about him?

>> Actually, now that I think about it, an unofficial "Amber Alert Channel"
>isn't
>> such a bad idea. After all, the broadcasting of emergency information and
>road
>> conditions is allowed. I think I'll send an email off to the FCC to see if
>it's
>> legal to broadcast Amber Alert information.
>>
>THERE YOU GO! Something positive for all CBer's (in your parts) can use.
>Heck, I might do the same here.

It really isn't a bad idea at all. I was thinking that Ch. 10 might be good
because it's right next to Ch. 9 (keeping that channel open), but on the side
away from Ch. 6 so it won't pick up as much splatter. Ch. 10 could carry short
broadcasts at timed intervals to provide descriptions and contact information,
and brief notifications of the broadcast can be made on Ch. 19. The broadcasts
could be made by CBers who volunteer for the job in cooperation with their local
law enforcement, such as through the C.O.P.S. program (Community Oriented
Policing Services). You could also look into getting the broadcasts protected as
emergency transmissions.

<snip>
>You brought that upon yourself, Franklin. When you and your counterparts
>started flaming this NG bigtime in '99, it got way out of control. When
>control is lost, then you have CHAOS. And that is the fruits that the AKC
>beared. There was no one else to blame but the AKC. Sorry man, that's the
>truth.

Remember that it was THEIR choice to escalate it into a level of harassment that
was clearly illegal. If a woman wears provocative clothing, is it her fault if
she gets raped? From a different angle, if a drunk driver gets busted, is it the
cops fault that the person lands in jail? Why do some people always have to find
someone else to blame for their own behavior? If you are chastizing me because
they behave poorly then you need to get a new perspective. And don't EVEN come
down on ME for speaking out against illegal operators because it is THEIR fault
that the CB is in a state of chaos. Again, put the blame where it belongs.

>> You want to talk about stupid? I worked most of my life in radio, spent
>five
>> years earning my degree, work full-time as a BE and part-time in my own
>shop
>> (and it ain't a CB radio shop). I spend a lot of time on the computer
>because
>> it's a major part of what I do for a career. Sometimes work is slow and I
>post
>> more often, and other times work is busy and I post less frequently. Now
>how is
>> that stupid?
>>
>That is your problem. I don't see anything here that directly affects your
>'career'. What's wrong with that? Nor do I see anyone here affecting your
>business.

That's because I don't do business over the internet anymore. And I never said
that anything in the newsgroup affects my career, just that I spend a lot of
time on the computer. I also access the internet through my computer. See the
relationship?

> Coming here during business hours and flaming kids from Florida
>IS stupid.

Kids? You mean Twisty? How is he a 'kid' if he claims to be a professional
journalist with a wife and kid of his own? And why is flaming him stupid?

>> I said nothing of the sort. Don't read your opinions into my statments.
>>
>Explain then...

From the beginning: You said people don't die, they just multiply. I responded
with a mention of the Anasazi (a lost civilization), and you came back with "You
mean to tell me you are going to be a cultural influence and change things over
night?" If you want an explanation then figure out why you responded with such
an irrelevant question. Regardless, I never said that I was going to change
things "over night".
[i]
>> > How about something more
>> >previous in history... have you ever heard of "BUCKWHEAT" ?<snicker>
>>
>> Apparenly not, since I don't get the joke.
>>
>Obviously...

Then why don't you explain it?

>> It's another of Twisty's rumors. He enjoys accusing people of things he
>thinks
>> can't be disproven in the newsgroup. He has also accused me of being five
>> different hammies and I'm not even a ham. So give it as much weight as you
>feel
>> is justified.
>>
>> >But really, have a good one.
>>
>> Like I said, I usually do.
>>
> Whatever. But let me clarify something...
>
>My original post was for what I saw and read. I did not post my original
>message to attack you at all, Franklin. That was not my intentions.

Check this out: "With the rants of Leland, Doug, Frank, George, Ric and Dave,
it ain't doing no good for these guys." Now if you weren't referring to me, then
who?

> You
>made it your business to reply to my post.

Wrong. Your post was directed at me (among others), and you even included my
name. YOU made it my business.

> Now if it was someone else from
>your AKC Organization, then I would've responded to their post. Don't take
>this as personal as you think it is-because it is not. I just merely posted
>the truth.

You posted your opinion. Seems like you and Twisty have the same problem of
being unable to differentiate opinion from truth. If you disagree, then maybe
you should explain a few things, beginning with why your claim that I have
posted everyday for the past three years is the truth.

>Anyway, go ahead and have a good one. This one is on me... free of charge.
>REALLY...

No need for you to pick up the tab, I'm perfectly capable of having a fine day
on my own. And I usually do.







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[Twistedhed]

Frankie-lite )wrote: >That's because I don't do
business over the

>internet anymore. And I never said that

>anything in the newsgroup affects my career,




(snip)



Sure you did, Frankie-lite,,you claimed illegal cbers, ( "RF Pirates")
affect you directly in your work...and you reiterate how prolific such
illegalities are here in his ng...in fact, you really don't know what
you mean, this is but another example.

"I never said I wouldn't troll anymore."..Frank Gilliland
)"

"I do not get upset about any CB law being broken."...Frank Gilliland
)

"I choose to take a stand against illegal operators for several
reasons"....Frank Gilliland )

"RF pirates affect me directly in my work."...Frank Gilliland
)

"I have admitted to lying in this
newsgroup, and on more than one occasion."......Frank Gilliland
>

[sheik yerbooti]

"Aaron H. Voobner" > wrote in message
m...
> >> .....As far as I know,
> >>international treaty does not permit unlicensed "HF DX" radio
> >>services.
> >
> >I believe you are correct. With almost all international treaties,
> >there are a number of countries which don't sign on. Worldwide
> >agreement is extremely rare. I have seen no evidence to suggest that
> >EVERY county in the world has signed on to the ITU ( or other )
> >international agreements regarding unlicensed radio operation.
>
> For purposes of this discussion, you said:
>
> > However, others in this forum are able to talk skip without
> > running afoul of our national regulations.
>
> If you don't know the names of the countries who are "unregulated",
> how do you know which "others" in this forum are able to talk skip?
>
> -A


Ill give you a simple answer there probably are none.

[Moparholic@hotmailnospam.com]

"sheik yerbooti" > wrote:
> "RASTA" <sp[i]
> > How about this... what is your name and what is your email address?
> > You post yours with proof and I will post mine.
> >
> > I gotta see this one...
>
> Hey rubbernecker, I didn't ask you for your name and email, I simply
> asked what name have you used on this newsgroup if you have been here
> since 1999. No need to get all defensive. I just wanted to know if your a
> new troll or an old one.
>
> My name is george, for proof ask twistedhead or landwhale, funny you
> want me to post something then I have to believe you will post a reply
> with correct info .... LOL yeah ok
>[/color]
WTF is your call sign?

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[Moparholic@hotmailnospam.com]

(Aaron H. Voobner) wrote:
> how do you know which "others" in this forum are able to talk skip?
>
> -A
>
It's fairly easy to talk skip. A.

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[Moparholic@hotmailnospam.com]

Frank Gilliland > wrote:
>> When you claimed that I made the jump from talking skip to killing
> babies.
>
Did the led shield fall down? That **** will fubar your sperm count.

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[Scott Unit 69]

> It's fairly easy to talk skip. Asshole.


I knock the bottom out of the AMers in Florida with
sideband, every chance I get. If they'd go back below
36, they wouldn't get blasted with 200 watts of USB!!!

[Moparholic@hotmailnospam.com]

Scott Unit 69 > wrote:
> > It's fairly easy to talk skip. Asshole.
>
> I knock the bottom out of the AMers in Florida with
> sideband, every chance I get. If they'd go back below
> 36, they wouldn't get blasted with 200 watts of USB!!!
>
Someone modified my post..I only hit em with 70-100, usually.

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[Ninjaman808]

(Aaron H. Voobner) wrote in message >...
> Earl Johnston wrote:
> >I understand that for those of you in the United States, CB is
> >restricted to ground wave communication. However, others in this
> >forum are able to talk skip without running afoul of our national
> >regulations.
>
> Can you name a country or countries where unlicensed 11 meter DX
> hobby-type operation is specifically authorized? As far as I know,
> international treaty does not permit unlicensed "HF DX" radio
> services. You should not assume that some foreign country allows 11
> meter DX just because you heard them on the radio. I would like to see
> verifiable proof, such a grant, authorization, or other form of
> governmental decree.
>
> Thanks...
>
> -Aaron-


I have watched this NG from time to time and see more people bitchin'
about "Illegal activites" than I see people helping each other out or
just plain having an electronic conversation. I will just post my
opinion here that I think might speak for some others here.

I do alot of "Illegal" things. Sometimes I drive to fast, I smoke
weed daily, I run power and shoot skip. sometimes I get real wild
and (GASP) whistle into my radio or use an echo board. Before you
lecture me and talk about my "Illegal" activities, realize that I
dont give a ****.... As long as I'm not actually harming another
human being I really dont care.

You whiny little hind tit suckers need to realize that there are many
other things that you can do to change the quality of your hobby. You
could be proactive and educate a younger generation about the joys of
amateur radio. You could build a great website promoting your hobby.
Instead all you do is sit here and troll.... it's easy, and somehow
provides instant gratification to your soggy little porn saturated
brain.

This NG is about CB radio,,, NOT ham radio, and not about the
"Legality" of amplifiers. You can waste your keystrokes all you want
ranting and raving about how you want a perfect world with no RF
saturation, but it aint ever gonna happen. As long as I can get an
amp I'm gonna run it....

Please, to all you snobby HAMS out there.... Do something useful....
come over here and shampoo my crotch.

[Moparholic@hotmailnospam.com]

(Ninjaman808) wrote:
> Do something useful....
> come over here and shampoo my crotch.
>
I'll sand blast it.

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[sheik yerbooti]

> wrote in message
...
> "sheik yerbooti" > wrote:
> > "RASTA" <sp[i]
> > > How about this... what is your name and what is your email address?
> > > You post yours with proof and I will post mine.
> > >
> > > I gotta see this one...
> >
> > Hey rubbernecker, I didn't ask you for your name and email, I simply
> > asked what name have you used on this newsgroup if you have been here
> > since 1999. No need to get all defensive. I just wanted to know if your[/color]
a
> > new troll or an old one.
> >
> > My name is george, for proof ask twistedhead or landwhale, funny you
> > want me to post something then I have to believe you will post a reply
> > with correct info .... LOL yeah ok
> >
> WTF is your call sign?


what do you care your not a ham and this is not a ham ng. Now go crawl back
under that rock.

[Earl Johnston]

On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 17:29:58 -0700, Frank Gilliland
> wrote:

>In >, Earl Johnston
> wrote:
>>... In most of the world, anything which is not forbidden,
>>is permitted.
>
>You haven't seen very much of the world first-hand, have you?
>

Not nearly as much as I'd like to. Have travelled exttensively
through Canada, US, Mexico, England, Scotland & Wales.

Admittedly, most of the information I have is second hand.. Australian
Uncle, ...Father and Mother travelled extensively for years through
Europe and the far East..Dad worked in India for some time..My
Daughter who works in Hong Kong, just came home from 4 months in
Mainland China.

While there is no substitute for first hand experience, in today's
information age, a great deal of knowledge about a place can be gained
without actually being on the ground.

While I may not have the stamps in my passport that others do, my
lack of world travel experience does not invalidate my position that
in most countries where the rule of law prevails, anything which is
not forbidden, is permitted.

[Earl Johnston]

On 14 Jul 2003 12:27:33 -0700, (Aaron H.
Voobner) wrote:

>For purposes of this discussion, you said:
>
>> However, others in this forum are able to talk skip without
>> running afoul of our national regulations.
>
>If you don't know the names of the countries who are "unregulated",
>how do you know which "others" in this forum are able to talk skip?

Valid point. I don't....yet.

The whole " not every country has signed the agreements" argument was
really just a rear-guard action on my part untill I could get more
information to bolster my argument.

I thoght my own country had changed its position on CB skip talking
and was going to quote our regs to you. I then discovered that they
hadn't changed at all. At that point all I had left ,was the idea
that it is extremely unlikely ( IMHO ) that every country in the world
had outlawed 11 meter DXing.

And while I believe that there are a number of countries who have no
legislation prohibitting CB skip talking, I have no hard data yet to
back that up.

[Frank Gilliland]

In >, Earl Johnston
> wrote:

>On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 17:29:58 -0700, Frank Gilliland
> wrote:
>
>>In >, Earl Johnston
> wrote:
>>>... In most of the world, anything which is not forbidden,
>>>is permitted.
>>
>>You haven't seen very much of the world first-hand, have you?
>>
>
>Not nearly as much as I'd like to. Have travelled exttensively
>through Canada, US, Mexico, England, Scotland & Wales.
>
>Admittedly, most of the information I have is second hand.. Australian
>Uncle, ...Father and Mother travelled extensively for years through
>Europe and the far East..Dad worked in India for some time..My
>Daughter who works in Hong Kong, just came home from 4 months in
>Mainland China.
>
>While there is no substitute for first hand experience, in today's
>information age, a great deal of knowledge about a place can be gained
>without actually being on the ground.
>
>While I may not have the stamps in my passport that others do, my
>lack of world travel experience does not invalidate my position that
>in most countries where the rule of law prevails, anything which is
>not forbidden, is permitted.

I spent a little time in the Middle East. While I was there I learned that there
are places you don't go, people you don't talk to, things you don't say, etc,
even though there is no law forbidding such things. I have been other places as
well, and it's pretty much the same way everywhere I went. The US is pretty
unique in that we need every single little rule of conduct to be codified as law
in explicit terms before people finally decide to behave themselves. But as
exemplified in this newsgroup and on the Citizen's Band, even -that- doesn't
always work.





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[Bert Craig]

"Earl Johnston" > wrote in message
...
> At that point all I had left ,was the idea
> that it is extremely unlikely ( IMHO ) that every country in the world
> had outlawed 11 meter DXing.
>
> And while I believe that there are a number of countries who have no
> legislation prohibitting CB skip talking, I have no hard data yet to
> back that up.

England has no distance limit on their 11-meter CB allocation.

--
73 de Bert
WA2SI

[Richard Cranium]

"sheik yerbooti" > wrote in message >...
> "RASTA" <sp[i]
> > You brought that upon yourself, Franklin. When you and your counterparts
> > started flaming this NG bigtime in '99, it got way out of control. When
> > control is lost, then you have CHAOS. And that is the fruits that the AKC
> > beared. There was no one else to blame but the AKC. Sorry man, that's
> the
> > truth.
>
>
> How long have you been trolling this NG and under what name?[/color]

Not nearly as long as you have, Georgie-girl Busch, nor with the huge
number of names you've used. Wonder why you have to change your NIC
every other day?

[sheik yerbooti]

"Richard Cranium" > wrote in message
om...
> "sheik yerbooti" > wrote in message
>...
> > "RASTA" <sp
> > > You brought that upon yourself, Franklin. When you and your[/color]
counterparts[i]
> > > started flaming this NG bigtime in '99, it got way out of control.
When
> > > control is lost, then you have CHAOS. And that is the fruits that the
AKC
> > > beared. There was no one else to blame but the AKC. Sorry man,
that's
> > the
> > > truth.
> >
> >
> > How long have you been trolling this NG and under what name?
>
> Not nearly as long as you have, Georgie-girl Busch, nor with the huge
> number of names you've used. Wonder why you have to change your NIC
> every other day?



Same reason you don't disclose your make believe call sign.

[Aaron H. Voobner]

"Bert Craig" > wrote in message >...
> "Earl Johnston" > wrote in message
> ...
> > At that point all I had left ,was the idea
> > that it is extremely unlikely ( IMHO ) that every country in the world
> > had outlawed 11 meter DXing.
> >
> > And while I believe that there are a number of countries who have no
> > legislation prohibitting CB skip talking, I have no hard data yet to
> > back that up.
>
> England has no distance limit on their 11-meter CB allocation.

Yes it really is too bad they are restricted to FM mode only. HF DX is
not intended to be a feature of the service.

-Aaron-

[Richard Cranium]

"sheik yerbooti" > wrote in message >...
> "Richard Cranium" > wrote in message
> om...
> > "sheik yerbooti" > wrote in message
> >...
> > > "RASTA" > wrote in message
> > > . ..
> > >
> > > > You brought that upon yourself, Franklin. When you and your
> counterparts
> > > > started flaming this NG bigtime in '99, it got way out of control.
> When
> > > > control is lost, then you have CHAOS. And that is the fruits that the
> AKC
> > > > beared. There was no one else to blame but the AKC. Sorry man,
> that's
> the
> > > > truth.
> > >
> > >
> > > How long have you been trolling this NG and under what name?
> >
> > Not nearly as long as you have, Georgie-girl Busch, nor with the huge
> > number of names you've used. Wonder why you have to change your NIC
> > every other day?
>
>
>
> Same reason you don't disclose your make believe call sign.

How would you know it's "make believe", Georgie-girl? You don't yet
know anything about me.

[Richard Cranium]

(Aaron H. Voobner) wrote in message >...
> Chim Bubba wrote:
> >Me too! Always have. That is the main reason for coming here but as
> >was mentioned by others before. The crap that goes on in this group
> >NEVER and I mean NEVER even affects the real guy on the cb.
>
> So what's your problem? Why even waste your energy of coming in here
> and complaining about it? It's been going on for so long, nothing's
> ever gonna change it.You can't accomplish anything with whining.It's a
> losing battle. It's like trying to drain the ocean with a teacup.You
> might as well just give up.What you're doing is useless.
> (sarcasm/irony intentional)

That's actually the most reasonable and logical thing I've ever seen
you post, Aanal Aaron. Too bad you're trying to impose it on others,
instead of applying it to yourself.

You, Frankie-boy, Georgie-girl, and others have attempted to control
other people thru trolling for quite some time. It hasn't worked, it
doesn't work, it won't work. If FCC enforcement hasn't worked, what
makes you believe that your lame trolling will?

You are quite correct: Ain't nothing gonna change it. All you can do
is control yourself, something you're really poor at. That applies to
you, Aanal Aaron, to Frankie-boy, to Georgie-girl, and the others. So
why bother taking up space here to complain about it?

CBers are aware of the Rules, and a few of them make a decision to
violate them. You are not an FCC operative (if you are, what's your
badge number?), nor are any of the other trolls. Hell, Frankie-boy
isn't a ham or a "commercial broadcast engineer" as he has claimed.
He's lucky if he's even a tech.

Thus, you might as well give it up. The best you can do is operate
your CB legally and try to set an example. Nothing else is going to do
anything but raise your blood pressure.

[Richard Cranium]

Frank Gilliland > wrote in message >...
> In >, Earl Johnston
> > wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> >... In most of the world, anything which is not forbidden,
> >is permitted.
>
> You haven't seen very much of the world first-hand, have you?

Have YOU ever read the Constitution of the United States? It plainly
states precisely that.

[Richard Cranium]

"Bert Craig" > wrote in message >...
> "Earl Johnston" > wrote in message
> ...
> > At that point all I had left ,was the idea
> > that it is extremely unlikely ( IMHO ) that every country in the world
> > had outlawed 11 meter DXing.
> >
> > And while I believe that there are a number of countries who have no
> > legislation prohibitting CB skip talking, I have no hard data yet to
> > back that up.
>
> England has no distance limit on their 11-meter CB allocation.

Nor does Australia.

But that won't stop Frankie-boy or Georgie-girl from trolling, will it?

[Richard Cranium]

(Ninjaman808) wrote in message >...
> (Aaron H. Voobner) wrote in message >...
> > Earl Johnston wrote:
> > >I understand that for those of you in the United States, CB is
> > >restricted to ground wave communication. However, others in this
> > >forum are able to talk skip without running afoul of our national
> > >regulations.
> >
> > Can you name a country or countries where unlicensed 11 meter DX
> > hobby-type operation is specifically authorized? As far as I know,
> > international treaty does not permit unlicensed "HF DX" radio
> > services. You should not assume that some foreign country allows 11
> > meter DX just because you heard them on the radio. I would like to see
> > verifiable proof, such a grant, authorization, or other form of
> > governmental decree.
> >
> > Thanks...
> >
> > -Aaron-
>
>
> I have watched this NG from time to time and see more people bitchin'
> about "Illegal activites" than I see people helping each other out or
> just plain having an electronic conversation. I will just post my
> opinion here that I think might speak for some others here.
>
> I do alot of "Illegal" things. Sometimes I drive to fast, I smoke
> weed daily, I run power and shoot skip. sometimes I get real wild
> and (GASP) whistle into my radio or use an echo board. Before you
> lecture me and talk about my "Illegal" activities, realize that I
> dont give a ****.... As long as I'm not actually harming another
> human being I really dont care.
>
> You whiny little hind tit suckers need to realize that there are many
> other things that you can do to change the quality of your hobby. You
> could be proactive and educate a younger generation about the joys of
> amateur radio. You could build a great website promoting your hobby.
> Instead all you do is sit here and troll.... it's easy, and somehow
> provides instant gratification to your soggy little porn saturated
> brain.
>
> This NG is about CB radio,,, NOT ham radio, and not about the
> "Legality" of amplifiers. You can waste your keystrokes all you want
> ranting and raving about how you want a perfect world with no RF
> saturation, but it aint ever gonna happen. As long as I can get an
> amp I'm gonna run it....
>
> Please, to all you snobby HAMS out there.... Do something useful....
> come over here and shampoo my crotch.

Really now. You take all the "fun" out of the trolling those morons do
by being logical and real. You realize that, don't you?

Trolling is the only thing they have in their pathetic lives! And
Frankie-boy claims to be a "commercial broadcast engineer", yet he
can't even get an amateur license. LOL!

[sheik yerbooti]

"Richard Cranium" > wrote in message
om...

> > Same reason you don't disclose your make believe call sign.
>
> How would you know it's "make believe", Georgie-girl? You don't yet
> know anything about me.


So far it is make believe, and your right you could rattle off any old
callsign. btw you also know nothing about me, as evidence of your whimsical
comical claims.

[sheik yerbooti]

"Richard Cranium" > wrote in message
om...
>
> You, Frankie-boy, Georgie-girl, and others have attempted to control
> other people thru trolling for quite some time. It hasn't worked, it
> doesn't work, it won't work. If FCC enforcement hasn't worked, what
> makes you believe that your lame trolling will?
>
> You are quite correct: Ain't nothing gonna change it. All you can do
> is control yourself, something you're really poor at. That applies to
> you, Aanal Aaron, to Frankie-boy, to Georgie-girl, and the others. So
> why bother taking up space here to complain about it?


Why do you bother posting and taking up space regarding what we do ? It is a
free world and as a USA citizen we are afforded many of lifes great
pleasures posting to this NG is one of them. Now go troll someone elses
posts.

[sheik yerbooti]

"Richard Cranium" > wrote in message
om...
> "Bert Craig" > wrote in message
>...
> > "Earl Johnston" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > At that point all I had left ,was the idea
> > > that it is extremely unlikely ( IMHO ) that every country in the world
> > > had outlawed 11 meter DXing.
> > >
> > > And while I believe that there are a number of countries who have no
> > > legislation prohibitting CB skip talking, I have no hard data yet to
> > > back that up.
> >
> > England has no distance limit on their 11-meter CB allocation.
>
> Nor does Australia.
>
> But that won't stop Frankie-boy or Georgie-girl from trolling, will it?



Nor will it stop Dickie Boy Cranium from trolling .

[sheik yerbooti]

"Richard Cranium" > wrote in message
om...


> Trolling is the only thing they have in their pathetic lives! And
> Frankie-boy claims to be a "commercial broadcast engineer", yet he
> can't even get an amateur license. LOL!


LOL, neither can you Dickie- boy Cranium.

[Landshark]

"Richard Cranium" > wrote in message
om...
> (Aaron H. Voobner) wrote in message
>...
> > Chim Bubba wrote:
> > >Me too! Always have. That is the main reason for coming here but as
> > >was mentioned by others before. The crap that goes on in this group
> > >NEVER and I mean NEVER even affects the real guy on the cb.
> >
> > So what's your problem? Why even waste your energy of coming in here
> > and complaining about it? It's been going on for so long, nothing's
> > ever gonna change it.You can't accomplish anything with whining.It's a
> > losing battle. It's like trying to drain the ocean with a teacup.You
> > might as well just give up.What you're doing is useless.
> > (sarcasm/irony intentional)
>
> That's actually the most reasonable and logical thing I've ever seen
> you post, Aanal Aaron. Too bad you're trying to impose it on others,
> instead of applying it to yourself.
>
> You, Frankie-boy, Georgie-girl, and others have attempted to control
> other people thru trolling for quite some time. It hasn't worked, it
> doesn't work, it won't work. If FCC enforcement hasn't worked, what
> makes you believe that your lame trolling will?
>
> You are quite correct: Ain't nothing gonna change it. All you can do
> is control yourself, something you're really poor at. That applies to
> you, Aanal Aaron, to Frankie-boy, to Georgie-girl, and the others. So
> why bother taking up space here to complain about it?
>
> CBers are aware of the Rules, and a few of them make a decision to
> violate them. You are not an FCC operative (if you are, what's your
> badge number?), nor are any of the other trolls. Hell, Frankie-boy
> isn't a ham or a "commercial broadcast engineer" as he has claimed.
> He's lucky if he's even a tech.
>
> Thus, you might as well give it up. The best you can do is operate
> your CB legally and try to set an example. Nothing else is going to do
> anything but raise your blood pressure.


That's not Aaron, he's posting from a DoD
account. Aaron used AOL. I still think someone
should report him for wasting tax payers money
trolling the newsgroup. Think about it, you are
paying taxes to let this person troll the newsgroup.

Landshark


--
You can stand tall without standing on someone. You can be a victor without having victims.

[RASTA]

"sheik yerbooti" > wrote in message
...
>
> Hey rubbernecker, I didn't ask you for your name and email, I simply asked
> what name have you used on this newsgroup if you have been here since
1999.
> No need to get all defensive. I just wanted to know if your a new troll or
> an old one.
>
> My name is george, for proof ask twistedhead or landwhale, funny you
want
> me to post something then I have to believe you will post a reply with
> correct info .... LOL yeah ok
>
Hey chickenchoker, I don't give two ****s who asked what. I don't give a
damn if your name is georgie-porgie or not. You are a troll and I wanted to
see what happened. And I won a bet that you were gonna post something
stupid to boot. This is the correct info and I'm done with you.

[RASTA]

"sheik yerbooti" > wrote in message
...
>
> I noticed assclown.
>
Really? I didn't know you had the ability to, chickenchoker.


> I don't give a
> > damn if your name is georgie-porgie or not.
>
> Then why did you ask what it was? See your paragraph above assclown,
> remember you don't give 2 ****s who asked what?
>
I did. And I still don't.


> > You are a troll
>
> And so are you , were even I guess
>
Nope. Just RASTA.


> >and I wanted to see what happened.
>
> The onkly thing happened was you made an ass out of yourself again,
trolling
> under this new name.
>
"onkly"? You fat-fingered jackass...

I tell the truth. Troll? Nah... "...you made an ass out of yourself again"
But how could that be when I never made an ass out of myself before? You're
the one who can't type let alone spell... under-educated, pompous ass.


> > And I won a bet that you were gonna post something
> > stupid to boot. This is the correct info and I'm done with you.
>
>
> Really you won a bet, damn can I get some action too?
>
Sure. Everytime you post a stupid response (i.e. TROLL), kick yourself in
the nuts (if you have any). And everytime you TROLL, I get free gas money
for the weekend bike ride. Go get 'em chickenchoker...


i figured as much you
> are done since you have nothing left to say that makes any sense. TROLL
>
I'm still trying to figure out why you're still here. FAT-FINGERED,
CHICKENCHOKING TROLL

[sheik yerbooti]

"RASTA" <sp
> "sheik yerbooti" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > I noticed assclown.
> >
> Really? I didn't know you had the ability to, chickenchoker.[/color]




> > I don't give a[i]
> > > damn if your name is georgie-porgie or not.
> >
> > Then why did you ask what it was? See your paragraph above assclown,
> > remember you don't give 2 ****s who asked what?
> >
> I did. And I still don't.

you replied and will keep on doing so you sure do give a damn, assclown.


> > > You are a troll
> >
> > And so are you , were even I guess
> >
> Nope. Just RASTA.

Rasta =Assclown= Troll


>
>
> > >and I wanted to see what happened.
> >
> > The onkly thing happened was you made an ass out of yourself again,
> trolling
> > under this new name.
> >
> "onkly"? You fat-fingered jackass...

ohh that hurts, better than being a regular jackass such as yourself.



>
> I tell the truth. Troll? Nah... "...you made an ass out of yourself
again"
> But how could that be when I never made an ass out of myself before?
You're
> the one who can't type let alone spell... under-educated, pompous ass.
>
>
> > > And I won a bet that you were gonna post something
> > > stupid to boot. This is the correct info and I'm done with you.
> >
> >
> > Really you won a bet, damn can I get some action too?
> >
> Sure. Everytime you post a stupid response (i.e. TROLL), kick yourself in
> the nuts (if you have any).

damn you sure talk about guys nuts and chicken choking... hmmm wonder whats
on your small mind.




And everytime you TROLL, I get free ass money
> for the weekend bike ride. Go get 'em chickenchoker...

Hmm, ass money chicken choker, bike ride, you sure your name isn't
Landdick?




> i figured as much you
> > are done since you have nothing left to say that makes any sense. TROLL
> >
> I'm still trying to figure out why you're still here. FAT-FINGERED,
> CHICKENCHOKING TROLL



Well then why are you here then since I seem to have you stumped.

[sheik yerbooti]

LOL a search of google tells the tale about you assclown. ROFLMAO


"RASTA" > wrote in message news:wDbRa.9074$

[RASTA]

"sheik yerbooti" > wrote in message
...
> LOL a search of google tells the tale about you assclown. ROFLMAO
>
>
> "RASTA" > wrote in message news:wDbRa.9074$
>
>

A search of google will tell me you're the assclown because I am not found
on any previous posting... fat-fingaz! Try again...

[Landshark]

"RASTA" <sp
> "sheik yerbooti" > wrote in message
> ...[/color]
You are a troll and I wanted to[i]
> see what happened. And I won a bet that you were gonna post something
> stupid to boot. This is the correct info and I'm done with you.


You have been just introduced to one of our
resident trolls George, WA3MOJ. He is a troll
and posts under many assumed names and
different accounts like AOL portal and Web2News
anonymous accounts.
You are better off ignoring him or kill filling
him, but remember, he changes nics like a
normal person changes underwear so you would
have to stay on top of the kill file.

Landshark

PS now watch the foul language, sexual innuendoes,
hate filled response from him, proof that he is a troll.


--
Try these to learn about newsgroup trolls.

http://www.io.com/~zikzak/troll_thesis.html
http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm

[Bert Craig]

"Aaron H. Voobner" > wrote in message
om...
> "Bert Craig" > wrote in message
>...
> > "Earl Johnston" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > At that point all I had left ,was the idea
> > > that it is extremely unlikely ( IMHO ) that every country in the world
> > > had outlawed 11 meter DXing.
> > >
> > > And while I believe that there are a number of countries who have no
> > > legislation prohibitting CB skip talking, I have no hard data yet to
> > > back that up.
> >
> > England has no distance limit on their 11-meter CB allocation.
>
> Yes it really is too bad they are restricted to FM mode only. HF DX is
> not intended to be a feature of the service.
>
> -Aaron-

Hello Aaron,

Hope all's well with you. I believe the "challenge" is half the fun.
Pop'Comm magazine did an article on a chap who works a fair amount of DX
using only 4 Watts in FM mode. Even pictured a pretty nise QSL card.

--
73 de Bert
WA2SI

[Bert Craig]

"Aaron H. Voobner" > wrote in message
m...
> "Bert Craig" > wrote in message
>...
> > "Earl Johnston" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > At that point all I had left ,was the idea
> > > that it is extremely unlikely ( IMHO ) that every country in the world
> > > had outlawed 11 meter DXing.
> > >
> > > And while I believe that there are a number of countries who have no
> > > legislation prohibitting CB skip talking, I have no hard data yet to
> > > back that up.
> >
> > England has no distance limit on their 11-meter CB allocation.
>
> They are only allowed to use FM, and they must have a license.
>
> -A

Quite true.

--
73 de Bert
WA2SI

[sheik yerbooti]

"RASTA" <sp
> Pretty fast response there, booti boy?[/color]


booty boy that what they call you I heard, you like mens booty.

What? Chicken got your tongue?


No your sister does at the moment.


>
>[i]
> > > > I don't give a
> > > > > damn if your name is georgie-porgie or not.
> > > >
> > > > Then why did you ask what it was? See your paragraph above assclown,
> > > > remember you don't give 2 ****s who asked what?
> > > >
> > > I did. And I still don't.
> >
> > you replied and will keep on doing so you sure do give a damn, assclown.
> >
> Nope. Still don't...

Still replying , LOL nah you dont give a damn


>
>
> > > > > You are a troll
> > > >
> > > > And so are you , were even I guess
> > > >
> > > Nope. Just RASTA.
> >
> > Rasta =Assclown= Troll
> >
> Nope. Just RASTA.


R= Really
A=another
S=Stupid
T=Troll
A=Assclown



> > > > >and I wanted to see what happened.
> > > >
> > > > The onkly thing happened was you made an ass out of yourself again,
> > > trolling
> > > > under this new name.
> > > >
> > > "onkly"? You fat-fingered jackass...
> >
> > ohh that hurts, better than being a regular jackass such as yourself.
> >
> EXCELLENT COMEBACK! WOW! I knew you had it in you...


Yes I also knew you have had it in you too, thats why your ass is flappin.


> > > I tell the truth. Troll? Nah... "...you made an ass out of yourself
> > again"
> > > But how could that be when I never made an ass out of myself before?
> > You're
> > > the one who can't type let alone spell... under-educated, pompous ass.
> > >
> > >
> > > > > And I won a bet that you were gonna post something
> > > > > stupid to boot. This is the correct info and I'm done with you.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Really you won a bet, damn can I get some action too?
> > > >
> > > Sure. Everytime you post a stupid response (i.e. TROLL), kick
yourself
> in
> > > the nuts (if you have any).
> >
> > damn you sure talk about guys nuts and chicken choking... hmmm wonder
> whats
> > on your small mind.



> Once again... just a reminder since you can't seem to remember how to
spell
> "only"... I just tell the truth.

I don't know how to spell only , LOL is that what happens when assclowns
cannot think of a comeback they attack a missspelled word... Damn
Intelligent Not


> > And everytime you TROLL, I get free ass money
> > > for the weekend bike ride. Go get 'em chickenchoker...
> >
> > Hmm, ass money chicken choker, bike ride, you sure your name isn't
> > Landdick?
> >
> You sure you know your own name?


I know my name the question sounds like I got your name right.


> > > i figured as much you
> > > > are done since you have nothing left to say that makes any sense.
> TROLL
> > > >
> > > I'm still trying to figure out why you're still here. FAT-FINGERED,
> > > CHICKENCHOKING TROLL


your trying to figure out why I am here? why are you here? you have made 5
post to this group yet you taling like you been here since 99' in fact you
sound like my wigger friend boba fett



> > Well then why are you here then since I seem to have you stumped.
> >
> Because fat-fingered, chickenchoking trolls like yourself just look for
> posts to flame. I don't. I just tell the truth.


Tell the truth when will you start? what name have you trolled this NG
under? it certainly isn't rasta that is your new made up name, check google
assclown.


>
> Got something else to do besides replying to my post on a Wednesday
morning?

I guess you don't have anything to do since I have been out all day you have
been busy typing away like a troll




> Are you ready for more pain? Keep posting...


Pain from you? LOL Come at me assclown, you are like indoor sport for me it
is all fun and games.

[sheik yerbooti]

"Scott Unit 69" > wrote in message
...
> > You are better off ignoring him or kill filling
> > him, but remember, he changes nics like a
> > normal person changes underwear so you would
> > have to stay on top of the kill file.
>
>
> I use killfile that clobbers certain words. I figured out what domains
> the troll likes to use and set up rules that can a message if the
> sender contains certain things. Even if "he" changes his name, it
> is still sh!tcanned.

Oh your so special Snottie, ****in geek



> It must be too hard to have a normal conversation with a real person...


Shame you are not a real person

[Steven J. Rogovitch]

"Bert Craig"
>Date: Wed, Jul 16, 2003 9:45 AM
>Message-id: >
>
>"Aaron H. Voobner" > wrote in message
m...
>> "Bert Craig" > wrote in message
>...
>> > "Earl Johnston" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> > > At that point all I had left ,was the idea
>> > > that it is extremely unlikely ( IMHO ) that every country in the world
>> > > had outlawed 11 meter DXing.
>> > >
>> > > And while I believe that there are a number of countries who have
>no
>> > > legislation prohibitting CB skip talking, I have no hard data yet
>to
>> > > back that up.
>> >
>> > England has no distance limit on their 11-meter CB allocation.
>>
>> They are only allowed to use FM, and they must have a license.
>>
>> -A
>
>Quite true.
>
>--
>73 de Bert
>WA2SI


Aanal Aaron is stoned or just STUPID. He's never been correct before
and he is not correct now. And one other thing, I've never worked at
the Naval shipyard in Norfolk and I still don't. And I did not operate a
pirate station called The Voice Of Laryngytis. And I am not still
living in VA Beach, dimbulb! Woodbury McCrae Parr (KE4ENX) is not
a credible source of information.Just like Anal Aaron is not a credible
source of anything. I've been lurking on Usenet groups for years, and
Anal Aaron and his pal Georgie-girl Busch haven't been correct about
anything yet.

[sheik yerbooti]

"Landshark" .> wrote in message
...
>
> "RASTA" <sp[i]
> > "sheik yerbooti" > wrote in message
> > ...
> You are a troll and I wanted to
> > see what happened. And I won a bet that you were gonna post something
> > stupid to boot. This is the correct info and I'm done with you.
>
>
> You have been just introduced to one of our
> resident trolls George, WA3MOJ. He is a troll
> and posts under many assumed names and
> different accounts like AOL portal and Web2News
> anonymous accounts.
> You are better off ignoring him or kill filling
> him, but remember, he changes nics like a
> normal person changes underwear so you would
> have to stay on top of the kill file.
>
> Landshark
>
> PS now watch the foul language, sexual innuendoes,
> hate filled response from him, proof that he is a troll.[/color]



#14


>
>
> --
> Try these to learn about newsgroup trolls.
>
> http://www.io.com/~zikzak/troll_thesis.html
> http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm
>
>

[sheik yerbooti]

your not the managment assclown not even close go back to your rec.radio
yahoo group

"Scott Unit 69" > wrote in message
...
> .:\:/:.
> +-------------------+ .:\:\:/:/:.
> | PLEASE DO NOT | :.:\:\:/:/:.:
> | FEED THE TROLLS | :=.' - - '.=:
> | | '=(\ 9 9 /)='
> | Thank you, | ( (_) )
> | Management | /`-vvv-'\
> +-------------------+ / \
> | | @@@ / /|,,,,,|\ \
> | | @@@ /_// /^\ \\_\
> @x@@x@ | | |/ WW( ( ) )WW
> \||||/ | | \| __\,,\ /,,/__
> \||/ | | | (______Y______) jgs
> /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\//\/\\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\

[sheik yerbooti]

"Steven J. Rogovitch" > wrote in message
om...
> Aanal Aaron is stoned or just STUPID. He's never been correct before
> and he is not correct now. And one other thing, I've never worked at
> the Naval shipyard in Norfolk and I still don't. And I did not operate a
> pirate station called The Voice Of Laryngytis. And I am not still
> living in VA Beach, dimbulb! Woodbury McCrae Parr (KE4ENX) is not
> a credible source of information.Just like Anal Aaron is not a credible
> source of anything. I've been lurking on Usenet groups for years, and
> Anal Aaron and his pal Georgie-girl Busch haven't been correct about
> anything yet.

LOL I thought I was Anal arron too? You have made that cllaim as well as
several others and of course you have never been right. LOL

[Frank Gilliland]

In >, "Landshark"
.> wrote:

>
>"RASTA" <sp[i]
>> "sheik yerbooti" > wrote in message
>> ...
> You are a troll and I wanted to
>> see what happened. And I won a bet that you were gonna post something
>> stupid to boot. This is the correct info and I'm done with you.
>
>
> You have been just introduced to one of our
>resident trolls George, WA3MOJ. He is a troll
>and posts under many assumed names and
>different accounts like AOL portal and Web2News
>anonymous accounts.
> You are better off ignoring him or kill filling
>him, but remember, he changes nics like a
>normal person changes underwear so you would
>have to stay on top of the kill file.
>
> Landshark
>
>PS now watch the foul language, sexual innuendoes,
>hate filled response from him, proof that he is a troll.[/color]

#14




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[Scott Unit 69]

> #14

For you as well. You reposted the whole thing.

Once you collect 50, do you roll them up and drop them in the piggy bank?

[Moparholic@hotmailnospam.com]

"RASTA" <sp
> "sheik yerbooti" > wrote in message
> ...[i]
> > LOL a search of google tells the tale about you assclown. ROFLMAO
> >
> >
> > "RASTA" > wrote in message news:wDbRa.9074$
> >
> >
>
> A search of google will tell me you're the assclown because I am not
> found on any previous posting... fat-fingaz! Try again...
>[/color]
He's eating surplus cheese.

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[Frank Gilliland]

In >, Scott Unit 69 > wrote:

>> #14
>
>For you as well. You reposted the whole thing.
>
>Once you collect 50, do you roll them up and drop them in the piggy bank?

Do you complain when other people quote the entire post?




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[Scott Unit 69]

> Do you complain when other people quote the entire post?


Only when they get a yahoo groups digest, repost the whole thing,
and make one top posted comment. WTF are they responding to?

But here you are, whining about someone else's post. Try a killfile.

BTW, nice post about the use of sideband. Let's ban A3E from CB.

[Aaron H. Voobner]

Scott Unit 69
>Date: Wed, Jul 16, 2003 5:02 PM
>Message-id: >
>
>> Do you complain when other people quote the entire post?
>
>
>Only when they get a yahoo groups digest, repost the whole thing,
>and make one top posted comment. WTF are they responding to?
>
>But here you are, whining about someone else's post. Try a killfile.
>
>BTW, nice post about the use of sideband. Let's ban A3E from CB.
>

Better idea, let's ban Twistedhed from the newsgroup.

[Moparholic@hotmailnospam.com]

(Aaron H. Voobner) wrote:
> Better idea, let's ban Twistedhed from the newsgroup.
>
How do you like my sig file? <g>

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[Landshark]

"Scott Unit 69" > wrote in message ...
> > #14
>
> For you as well. You reposted the whole thing.
>
> Once you collect 50, do you roll them up and drop them in the piggy bank?

Is that Frank still trying to show that
he can count? LOL!!!!

Landshark


--
You can stand tall without standing on someone. You can be a victor without having victims.

[RASTA]

"sheik yerbooti" > wrote in message
...
>
> Exactly a search of google reveals your new made up troll name, yet you
> whine about things that happened in 1999 in this group get ****ed you low
> life
>
Nope. Still here as RASTA. Funny thing though... I never posted here until
lately. So my new <nic> is still my old one.

"...yet you whine about things that happened in 1999 in this group"
Nope, just telling the truth again.


> fat fingaz LOL that is too funny better than being a assclown.
>
Nope just RASTA. You fat-fingered TROLL.

[Brainbuster]

Aaron H. Voobner wrote in message
>...
>"Bert Craig" > wrote in message
>...
>>
>> England has no distance limit on their 11-meter CB allocation.
>
>They are only allowed to use FM,

True, athough they keep saying they are "testing" SSB and considering
allowing it.
Still, there's nowt wrong with FM... it is less prone to impulse type
interference.

If I had the choice of having two modes for UK CB, it would be FM and SSB.
Forget AM, as FM is great local and SSB is better for distance and
bandwidth.

> and they must have a license.

Not for much longer.
There are plans to remove the licence. If it goes ahead, from later this
year, new licences would not be issued but existing licences will be valid
for their full year. Although, existing licences will not be worth the
paper they are printed on - as they would no longer be needed. It's just to
stop people moaning about getting their "money's worth" from the fee paid
just before that date and asking for the unused part of their fee to be
returned.

Really, the "consultation" process is just for show - they must be seen to
be giving people a chance to speak up. Unless someone can give very good
arguments why it should not happen, then the licensing for CB and use of the
old UK only frequencies will be finished.


How did they end CB licensing in America... Did they just stop issuing them,
did existing licences become worthless, or did they phase them out in some
other way?



-B

[Brainbuster]

Aaron H. Voobner wrote in message
>...
>"Bert Craig" > wrote in message
>...
>>
>> England has no distance limit on their 11-meter CB allocation.
>
>HF DX is not intended to be a feature of the service.

It was not intended to be, but it often is.
What they did at the beginning, to try to stop DX without outlawing it, was
restrict the antenna length, type and height with power.

So, the antenna could not be more than 1.65m in length, had to be base
loaded, had to be omnidirectional... and if you mounted it more than 7m off
the ground, you could only use 400mW.
However, they found that encouraging the use of small antennas, close to the
ground, with 4 Watts of power caused too much interference to TV and radio.
As those who kept to the rules causes interference, while the "law-breakers"
were running cleanly, the rules were changed.

They allowed 1/2 wave dipoles and 5/8 wave monopoles at any height, but
still kept the restriction on beams. Yet, they never added a DX rule, but
they clearly state that there is no restriction.

I cannot imagine them trying to add a "No DX" rule"... they already tried
setting unenforceable rules, and simply made a rod for their own backs.
The enforcement side of the RA (the RIS), have not the time or funds to be
chasing things that are not causing problems, so they are unlikely to bring
in any rule that will just cause them more wasted time and money running
about.

Also, the UK have made the CB rules short and simple... with the purpose of
limiting the chances of interference. If you add too many rules, or write
it in "legal language" (like so may legal agreements), making it heavy
reading... people just wont read it.



Brainbuster.

[RASTA]

"Mike Oxharde" > wrote in message
...
>
> No ****, so how all of a sudden are you the NG Historian. ?
>
You said it. Not me. But I'm not. I just tell you what I see. TROLL


> You don't know the truth. LOL
>
Oh I know. Its just sad that you're too blind to see it. TROLL


> yes Rasta assclown
>
Nope... just RASTA.


> > You fat-fingered TROLL.
>
> ouch
>
Hurt to hear (see) the truth don't it? Fat-fingered TROLL

[Mike Oxharde]

"RASTA" <sp
> "Mike Oxharde" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > No ****, so how all of a sudden are you the NG Historian. ?
> >
> You said it. Not me. But I'm not. I just tell you what I see. TROLL[/color]

Yes you are here to Troll thats the first corrrect statement you made.
assclown.




>
> > You don't know the truth. LOL
> >
> Oh I know. Its just sad that you're too blind to see it. TROLL

Again yes I see the truth you are here to troll



>
>
> > yes Rasta assclown
> >
> Nope... just RASTA.
>
>[i]
> > > You fat-fingered TROLL.
> >
> > ouch
> >
> Hurt to hear (see) the truth don't it? Fat-fingered TROLL

whats a chickenchocker? LOL your a pathetic putz and a troll as well. lets
see you have made how many posts with your new name? And they all have been
troll posts ..LOL yes I like to hear the truth as well as speak it...
chickenchocker LOL




>
>

[Twistedhed]

From: (Aaron=A0H.=A0Voobner)
Scott Unit 69
Date: Wed, Jul 16, 2003 5:02 PM
Message-id: >
Do you complain when other people quote the entire post?
Only when they get a yahoo groups digest, repost the whole thing, and
make one top posted comment. WTF are they responding to?
But here you are, whining about someone else's post. Try a killfile.

>BTW, nice post about the use of sideband.

>Let's ban A3E from CB.
_
Better idea, let's ban Twistedhed from the newsgroup.
__
LOL,,,if I did leave,,your infatuation would only dictate you pretend
to be me again,,,,your addy matches the same 64.12 IP that forged me and
wrote "Respect for Freebanders". This email addy your are using now has
two separate points of origination...the one you are using now, where
you have forged me (64.12) and the 152.163 addy that posted the forge "I
am outlaw CB Genius".
Never have I seen your ego at all time low like it is now. Feeling bad
about yourself is a terrible thing...maybe you should turn off the cb
and get some fresh air,.come back when you are happy with yourself and
not interested in assuming another's identity......LOL.