Re: Vanity Call fee going up in August

[Burp not Burr]

"Minnie Bannister" > wrote in message
...
> The fee for a Vanity Call will rise on August 6 from $16.30 to $20.80.
> This is for a 10-year license.

Doing the math, that comes out to about $2.08
per year, or 0.0057 CENTS per-day over the
course of a 10-Year period...........

How much do you wanna bet however that the
average traditionally el-cheapo ham radio operator
will ****-and-moan like a stuck pig over a 0.0057
Cent-per-day fee...??? (my guess is alot will !)

For example, I was selling at a hamfest in Pa last
month. Had a shoebox full of miniature tubes for
$1.00 each. A real bargain considering tubes are
going for much more on e-Bay. This putz comes
walking up, digs thru the box for 2 minutes and pulls
out *one* tube and wants it for 35 cents. I was willing
to let it go for 75 cents but he wants it for 35 cents.
No deal. He puts it back (tosses it) and gets all
smart-ass saying "you'll sell it to me later for 35 Cents."
The schmuck comes back 1/2 hour later digs it out
and asks for it for 35 Cents again. I say OK, offer to
wrap it, he hands it to me and while he's reachin for his
35 cents, I dropped the tube on the ground and smashed
it with my trusty Nike, then told him I changed my mind
and wanted $1.00 for it. This putz goes completely nuts saying
he's looked all over 4 hamfests for this tube and he
couldn't believe I smashed it. Jumpin up and down like a looney
and me quietly hoping he would have a stroke right there
as he must have weighed 300 pounds. A real "Eddie Slobbo"
fer sure - baaaaaa hahahahah!! I just laughed and offered
him a pleasant balance of the afternoon.

After he left the dealers either side of me were almost teary-eyed
laughing at the spectacle of this event, and we each shared a Pepsi
from my trusty Coleman cooler and had a nice late-lunch at the
pizza hut afterwards.

El-Cheapo hams....always too much FUN to pass up
the opportunity to poke'em-with-a-stick thru the
monkey bars !! : ) : ) : )

[Frank Dresser]

"Burp not Burr" > wrote in message
groups.com...
>
[snip]

> For example, I was selling at a hamfest in Pa last
> month. Had a shoebox full of miniature tubes for
> $1.00 each. A real bargain considering tubes are
> going for much more on e-Bay. This putz comes
> walking up, digs thru the box for 2 minutes and pulls
> out *one* tube and wants it for 35 cents. I was willing
> to let it go for 75 cents but he wants it for 35 cents.

Oh, tell us more!! Was the tube a 7060?


> No deal. He puts it back (tosses it) and gets all
> smart-ass saying "you'll sell it to me later for 35 Cents."
> The schmuck comes back 1/2 hour later digs it out
> and asks for it for 35 Cents again. I say OK, offer to
> wrap it,

Wrap it? Isn't that nice. A hamfest tube! The gift that keeps on giving!


> he hands it to me and while he's reachin for his
> 35 cents, I dropped the tube on the ground and smashed
> it with my trusty Nike, then told him I changed my mind
> and wanted $1.00 for it.

Oh -- oh -- oh!!! Please say the tube was a 1L6!!! That would be soooooo
coooool!!

> This putz goes completely nuts saying
> he's looked all over 4 hamfests for this tube and he
> couldn't believe I smashed it. Jumpin up and down like a looney
> and me quietly hoping he would have a stroke right there
> as he must have weighed 300 pounds. A real "Eddie Slobbo"
> fer sure - baaaaaa hahahahah!! I just laughed and offered
> him a pleasant balance of the afternoon.

Sorry, this is where credibility of the story gets weak. The image of a fat
guy buying fat tubes is much more beliveable. Next time, bust up a good 50
or even a NOS S-bulb 80.

>
> After he left the dealers either side of me were almost teary-eyed
> laughing at the spectacle of this event, and we each shared a Pepsi
> from my trusty Coleman cooler and had a nice late-lunch at the
> pizza hut afterwards.
>
> El-Cheapo hams....always too much FUN to pass up
> the opportunity to poke'em-with-a-stick thru the
> monkey bars !! : ) : ) : )
>
>
>

Hey! That's also the troll's credo!!!


Frank Dresser

[JJ]

Burp not Burr wrote:


>
> For example, I was selling at a hamfest in Pa last
> month. Had a shoebox full of miniature tubes for
> $1.00 each. A real bargain considering tubes are
> going for much more on e-Bay. This putz comes
> walking up, digs thru the box for 2 minutes and pulls
> out *one* tube and wants it for 35 cents. I was willing
> to let it go for 75 cents but he wants it for 35 cents.
> No deal. He puts it back (tosses it) and gets all
> smart-ass saying "you'll sell it to me later for 35 Cents."
> The schmuck comes back 1/2 hour later digs it out
> and asks for it for 35 Cents again. I say OK, offer to
> wrap it, he hands it to me and while he's reachin for his
> 35 cents, I dropped the tube on the ground and smashed
> it with my trusty Nike, then told him I changed my mind
> and wanted $1.00 for it. This putz goes completely nuts saying
> he's looked all over 4 hamfests for this tube and he
> couldn't believe I smashed it. Jumpin up and down like a looney
> and me quietly hoping he would have a stroke right there
> as he must have weighed 300 pounds. A real "Eddie Slobbo"
> fer sure - baaaaaa hahahahah!! I just laughed and offered
> him a pleasant balance of the afternoon.
>
> After he left the dealers either side of me were almost teary-eyed
> laughing at the spectacle of this event, and we each shared a Pepsi
> from my trusty Coleman cooler and had a nice late-lunch at the
> pizza hut afterwards.
>
> El-Cheapo hams....always too much FUN to pass up
> the opportunity to poke'em-with-a-stick thru the
> monkey bars !! : ) : ) : )

Just curious, what was the tube type?

[Frank Dresser]

"LA Runabout" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Frank Dresser" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
>
>
> And another ham gives another troll attention.


Well done sir! Yet another link in the troll chain!!

By the way, I'm not a ham.


>Errrr, get your
> "Amplifier Sticker" on your driver's license yet?
>

What's an "Amplifier Sticker" and why would I want one?

Oh, now I get it. You're telling me that my powers as a Master of the
Obvious pale beside yours.

I admit defeat.

Frank Dresser

[garigue]

> The schmuck comes back 1/2 hour later digs it out
> and asks for it for 35 Cents again. I say OK, offer to
> wrap it, he hands it to me and while he's reachin for his
> 35 cents, I dropped the tube on the ground and smashed
> it with my trusty Nike, then told him I changed my mind
> and wanted $1.00 for it.

Good one ..... I've been involved in this hobby, service, endeavor, passion
or whatever for 40 years plus. It is always an amazement to me the cheap-Os
that are out there that want something for nothing or near it. OTOH I have
met a lot of nice people who would bend over backwards to give me parts for
nothing for my projects. That is the ham spirit at work and those are the
ones that I remember after all these years.

God Bless 73 KI3R Tom Popovic Belle Vernon Pa.

[garigue]

> > And another ham gives another troll attention.

Even if the tube story is false .....the true nature of a lot of hams show
through. I have been at fests where rediculous conversations of this type
ensued. True greed .... guys would scam parts to fill their private
warehouse only to fullfill their obsesive compulsive disorder .... I read
with a grin the crap I see that goes on in E-Bay and the lists. I have seen
old ladies who have been super scammed by supposed friends of their deceased
husbands for equipment. The one fellow I really agree with is the one who
is getting buried with his mint Collins station ....he is taking it with
him.

God Bless ....73 KI3R Tom Popovic Belle Vernon Pa

[JJ]

garigue wrote:


>
> Good one ..... I've been involved in this hobby, service, endeavor, passion
> or whatever for 40 years plus. It is always an amazement to me the cheap-Os
> that are out there that want something for nothing or near it. OTOH I have
> met a lot of nice people who would bend over backwards to give me parts for
> nothing for my projects. That is the ham spirit at work and those are the
> ones that I remember after all these years.
>
> God Bless 73 KI3R Tom Popovic Belle Vernon Pa.
>
>
I had a similar experience several years ago. I went to the local
once-a-month ham radio sidewalk sale and had a really clean, nice
working Hallicrafters S-40 for sale. This guy walks up and offers me $25
less than what I was asking. I refused. He said I would never get the
asking price and would be lucky to get what he was offering. I said if
it did not sell, HamCom was comming up in a couple of weeks and the
price there would be even higher. He stomped off but came back a few
minutes later and lays down the amount he offered and picked up the
radio. I ask just what the H did he think he was doing. "I am buying the
radio". I informed him that my asking price still stood and please put
the radio back and take his money and go somewhere else. Now he is
really POed.
Well as luck would have it he saw the radio at my table at HamCom marked
up at almost twice what I was asking at the sidewalk sale. He looked it
over and walked away only to come back about an hour later, with money
in had, to find the set was gone and asked if I had sold it. "Yep" I
smiled, "and at the asking price too". Doncha just luv these clowns?

[Mike Coslo]

garigue wrote:

>>>And another ham gives another troll attention.
>
>
> Even if the tube story is false .....the true nature of a lot of hams show
> through. I have been at fests where rediculous conversations of this type
> ensued. True greed .... guys would scam parts to fill their private
> warehouse only to fullfill their obsesive compulsive disorder .... I read
> with a grin the crap I see that goes on in E-Bay and the lists. I have seen
> old ladies who have been super scammed by supposed friends of their deceased
> husbands for equipment. The one fellow I really agree with is the one who
> is getting buried with his mint Collins station ....he is taking it with
> him.

Tom, there are going to be a lot of mad hams if he finds out that you
CAN take it with you! ;^)

- Mike KB3EIA -

[Frank Dresser]

"garigue" > wrote in message
news:uziHc.44209$a24.40836@attbi_s03...
>
>
>
>
> Even if the tube story is false .....the true nature of a lot of hams show
> through. I have been at fests where rediculous conversations of this type
> ensued. True greed .... guys would scam parts to fill their private
> warehouse only to fullfill their obsesive compulsive disorder ....

[snip]

Sounds like the presumed greedy ham should have bought the hard-to-find
bargain tube for a buck just to keep it out of the hands of the other hams!

Frank Dresser

[me]

Thanks for sharing that with us, Tom.

73,

Me

"garigue" > wrote in message
news:HpiHc.46193$IQ4.22014@attbi_s02...
>
> > The schmuck comes back 1/2 hour later digs it out
> > and asks for it for 35 Cents again. I say OK, offer to
> > wrap it, he hands it to me and while he's reachin for his
> > 35 cents, I dropped the tube on the ground and smashed
> > it with my trusty Nike, then told him I changed my mind
> > and wanted $1.00 for it.
>
> Good one ..... I've been involved in this hobby, service, endeavor,
passion
> or whatever for 40 years plus. It is always an amazement to me the
cheap-Os
> that are out there that want something for nothing or near it. OTOH I have
> met a lot of nice people who would bend over backwards to give me parts
for
> nothing for my projects. That is the ham spirit at work and those are the
> ones that I remember after all these years.
>
> God Bless 73 KI3R Tom Popovic Belle Vernon Pa.
>
>

[Da Shadow]

Well I price things 25 to 50% high and since all buyers dearly love and must
have "a bargain" -- they offer me a riduclous low ball offer.
We barter, shout, accuse each other of taking food from our childrens mouth
etc
Finally we agree on the price I would have sold it for to start with.
They snicker as they take away the treasure and just know they beat me down.
I snicker as it worked again -- seldom fails.

All this is not limited to Hams -- it is an international practice. In some
countries they have no respect for you if you don't go thru the drill of
bartering. I have experienced this same drill in the good old USA for used
goods, flea markets, newspaper ads, et al.

We all have heard:
I just went to the sale -- saved $40
He/she started at $100 I stole it for $75
The guy/gal was desperate sold it for $50 less
I can turn around and sell this for a profit
on and on goes the bartering process

Ya know they gonna low ball you so start high and spend the time to
bargain -- old american custom, everyone walks away happy.


--
Lamont Cranston

> >
> I had a similar experience several years ago. I went to the local
> once-a-month ham radio sidewalk sale and had a really clean, nice
> working Hallicrafters S-40 for sale. This guy walks up and offers me $25
> less than what I was asking. I refused. He said I would never get the
> asking price and would be lucky to get what he was offering. I said if
> it did not sell, HamCom was comming up in a couple of weeks and the
> price there would be even higher. He stomped off but came back a few
> minutes later and lays down the amount he offered and picked up the
> radio. I ask just what the H did he think he was doing. "I am buying the
> radio". I informed him that my asking price still stood and please put
> the radio back and take his money and go somewhere else. Now he is
> really POed.
> Well as luck would have it he saw the radio at my table at HamCom marked
> up at almost twice what I was asking at the sidewalk sale. He looked it
> over and walked away only to come back about an hour later, with money
> in had, to find the set was gone and asked if I had sold it. "Yep" I
> smiled, "and at the asking price too". Doncha just luv these clowns?
>

[Mike Coslo]

JJ wrote:
> garigue wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Good one ..... I've been involved in this hobby, service, endeavor,
>> passion
>> or whatever for 40 years plus. It is always an amazement to me the
>> cheap-Os
>> that are out there that want something for nothing or near it. OTOH I have
>> met a lot of nice people who would bend over backwards to give me
>> parts for
>> nothing for my projects. That is the ham spirit at work and those are the
>> ones that I remember after all these years.
>>
>> God Bless 73 KI3R Tom Popovic Belle Vernon Pa.
>>
>>
> I had a similar experience several years ago. I went to the local
> once-a-month ham radio sidewalk sale and had a really clean, nice
> working Hallicrafters S-40 for sale. This guy walks up and offers me $25
> less than what I was asking. I refused. He said I would never get the
> asking price and would be lucky to get what he was offering. I said if
> it did not sell, HamCom was comming up in a couple of weeks and the
> price there would be even higher. He stomped off but came back a few
> minutes later and lays down the amount he offered and picked up the
> radio. I ask just what the H did he think he was doing. "I am buying the
> radio". I informed him that my asking price still stood and please put
> the radio back and take his money and go somewhere else. Now he is
> really POed.
> Well as luck would have it he saw the radio at my table at HamCom marked
> up at almost twice what I was asking at the sidewalk sale. He looked it
> over and walked away only to come back about an hour later, with money
> in had, to find the set was gone and asked if I had sold it. "Yep" I
> smiled, "and at the asking price too". Doncha just luv these clowns?
>

Since we got this Carny/Rube thing goin' on.....

It isn't all the buyers with the problems, though. I've managed to
insult a lot of sellers with my first offer. So while they are bitching
and moaning at me about how much the thing is worth, and probably think
of me as the type described in the original story, all they had to do
was deal for a little while, and then we likely arrive at a price that
satisfies both of us.


This is America, and you are allowed to ask any price you want for what
you sell. The buyer can also offer any price they want.

I would suggest that if a person is firm on all their prices, and
doesn't want to deal, they might want to sell retail.

- Mike KB3EIA -

[Burp not Burr]

"garigue" > wrote in message
news:HpiHc.46193$IQ4.22014@attbi_s02...
>
> > The schmuck comes back 1/2 hour later digs it out
> > and asks for it for 35 Cents again. I say OK, offer to
> > wrap it, he hands it to me and while he's reachin for his
> > 35 cents, I dropped the tube on the ground and smashed
> > it with my trusty Nike, then told him I changed my mind
> > and wanted $1.00 for it.
>
> Good one ..... I've been involved in this hobby, service, endeavor,
passion
> or whatever for 40 years plus. It is always an amazement to me the
cheap-Os
> that are out there that want something for nothing or near it. OTOH I
have
> met a lot of nice people who would bend over backwards to give me parts
for
> nothing for my projects. That is the ham spirit at work and those are
the
> ones that I remember after all these years.
>
> God Bless 73 KI3R Tom Popovic Belle Vernon Pa.

Thanks Tom. Were U at the hamfest by chance?
For those wondering, the tube that was "sacrificed"
was a common garden variety JAN 6005 (6AQ5A)
( I sure would not have broken anything like a 7060
or similar! That tube would be in my collection)

[Lou]

"Burp not Burr" > wrote in message
groups.com...
>
> "garigue" > wrote in message
> news:HpiHc.46193$IQ4.22014@attbi_s02...
> >
> > > The schmuck comes back 1/2 hour later digs it out
> > > and asks for it for 35 Cents again. I say OK, offer to
> > > wrap it, he hands it to me and while he's reachin for his
> > > 35 cents, I dropped the tube on the ground and smashed
> > > it with my trusty Nike, then told him I changed my mind
> > > and wanted $1.00 for it.
> >
> > Good one ..... I've been involved in this hobby, service, endeavor,
> passion
> > or whatever for 40 years plus. It is always an amazement to me the
> cheap-Os
> > that are out there that want something for nothing or near it. OTOH I
> have
> > met a lot of nice people who would bend over backwards to give me parts
> for
> > nothing for my projects. That is the ham spirit at work and those are
> the
> > ones that I remember after all these years.
> >
> > God Bless 73 KI3R Tom Popovic Belle Vernon Pa.
>
> Thanks Tom. Were U at the hamfest by chance?
> For those wondering, the tube that was "sacrificed"
> was a common garden variety JAN 6005 (6AQ5A)
> ( I sure would not have broken anything like a 7060
> or similar! That tube would be in my collection)
>

KI3R, which hamfest might this have been at? Butler? There are a lot of
shysters out there wanting something for nothing. Amazes me how they afford
the hobby!

Lou

[Lou]

"Lou" > wrote in message
...
> "Burp not Burr" > wrote in message
> groups.com...
> >
> > "garigue" > wrote in message
> > news:HpiHc.46193$IQ4.22014@attbi_s02...
> > >
> > > > The schmuck comes back 1/2 hour later digs it out
> > > > and asks for it for 35 Cents again. I say OK, offer to
> > > > wrap it, he hands it to me and while he's reachin for his
> > > > 35 cents, I dropped the tube on the ground and smashed
> > > > it with my trusty Nike, then told him I changed my mind
> > > > and wanted $1.00 for it.
> > >
> > > Good one ..... I've been involved in this hobby, service, endeavor,
> > passion
> > > or whatever for 40 years plus. It is always an amazement to me the
> > cheap-Os
> > > that are out there that want something for nothing or near it. OTOH I
> > have
> > > met a lot of nice people who would bend over backwards to give me
parts
> > for
> > > nothing for my projects. That is the ham spirit at work and those are
> > the
> > > ones that I remember after all these years.
> > >
> > > God Bless 73 KI3R Tom Popovic Belle Vernon Pa.
> >
> > Thanks Tom. Were U at the hamfest by chance?
> > For those wondering, the tube that was "sacrificed"
> > was a common garden variety JAN 6005 (6AQ5A)
> > ( I sure would not have broken anything like a 7060
> > or similar! That tube would be in my collection)
> >
>
> KI3R, which hamfest might this have been at? Butler? There are a lot of
> shysters out there wanting something for nothing. Amazes me how they
afford
> the hobby!
>
> Lou
>
>

A 6AQ5 and he couldn't find one other than there? Hmmmm. I see them damned
near every hamfest. He must not be looking too hard. OR maybe THEY wouldn't
give him one at "HIS" price - either.
Lou

[me]

Probably Breezeshooters. Butler isn't til fall.

73,

Me

"Lou" > wrote in message
...
> "Burp not Burr" > wrote in message
> groups.com...
> >
> > "garigue" > wrote in message
> > news:HpiHc.46193$IQ4.22014@attbi_s02...
> > >
> > > > The schmuck comes back 1/2 hour later digs it out
> > > > and asks for it for 35 Cents again. I say OK, offer to
> > > > wrap it, he hands it to me and while he's reachin for his
> > > > 35 cents, I dropped the tube on the ground and smashed
> > > > it with my trusty Nike, then told him I changed my mind
> > > > and wanted $1.00 for it.
> > >
> > > Good one ..... I've been involved in this hobby, service, endeavor,
> > passion
> > > or whatever for 40 years plus. It is always an amazement to me the
> > cheap-Os
> > > that are out there that want something for nothing or near it. OTOH I
> > have
> > > met a lot of nice people who would bend over backwards to give me
parts
> > for
> > > nothing for my projects. That is the ham spirit at work and those are
> > the
> > > ones that I remember after all these years.
> > >
> > > God Bless 73 KI3R Tom Popovic Belle Vernon Pa.
> >
> > Thanks Tom. Were U at the hamfest by chance?
> > For those wondering, the tube that was "sacrificed"
> > was a common garden variety JAN 6005 (6AQ5A)
> > ( I sure would not have broken anything like a 7060
> > or similar! That tube would be in my collection)
> >
>
> KI3R, which hamfest might this have been at? Butler? There are a lot of
> shysters out there wanting something for nothing. Amazes me how they
afford
> the hobby!
>
> Lou
>
>

[Lou]

Well, whatever... they're both in the same place (in Butler) so I just say
Butler... Not to single anyone out. I enjoy both hamfests when I can make
them.
Lou

"me" > wrote in message
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> Probably Breezeshooters. Butler isn't til fall.
>
> 73,
>
> Me
>
> "Lou" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "Burp not Burr" > wrote in message
> > groups.com...
> > >
> > > "garigue" > wrote in message
> > > news:HpiHc.46193$IQ4.22014@attbi_s02...
> > > >
> > > > > The schmuck comes back 1/2 hour later digs it out
> > > > > and asks for it for 35 Cents again. I say OK, offer to
> > > > > wrap it, he hands it to me and while he's reachin for his
> > > > > 35 cents, I dropped the tube on the ground and smashed
> > > > > it with my trusty Nike, then told him I changed my mind
> > > > > and wanted $1.00 for it.
> > > >
> > > > Good one ..... I've been involved in this hobby, service, endeavor,
> > > passion
> > > > or whatever for 40 years plus. It is always an amazement to me the
> > > cheap-Os
> > > > that are out there that want something for nothing or near it. OTOH
I
> > > have
> > > > met a lot of nice people who would bend over backwards to give me
> parts
> > > for
> > > > nothing for my projects. That is the ham spirit at work and those
are
> > > the
> > > > ones that I remember after all these years.
> > > >
> > > > God Bless 73 KI3R Tom Popovic Belle Vernon Pa.
> > >
> > > Thanks Tom. Were U at the hamfest by chance?
> > > For those wondering, the tube that was "sacrificed"
> > > was a common garden variety JAN 6005 (6AQ5A)
> > > ( I sure would not have broken anything like a 7060
> > > or similar! That tube would be in my collection)
> > >
> >
> > KI3R, which hamfest might this have been at? Butler? There are a lot of
> > shysters out there wanting something for nothing. Amazes me how they
> afford
> > the hobby!
> >
> > Lou
> >
> >
>
>

[garigue]

> > Thanks Tom. Were U at the hamfest by chance?
> > For those wondering, the tube that was "sacrificed"
> > was a common garden variety JAN 6005 (6AQ5A)
> > ( I sure would not have broken anything like a 7060
> > or similar! That tube would be in my collection)
> >
>
> KI3R, which hamfest might this have been at? Butler? There are a lot of
> shysters out there wanting something for nothing. Amazes me how they
afford
> the hobby!
>
> Lou


No Lou I wasn't around when the tube tale went down ....but I was up at
Butler. Always enjoy looking at the junque that I have seen guys carying
around for at least 2 decades and trying to dump the same. I gave up that
scene about 20 years ago after filling the back of my Surburban with ballast
and then realizing that my vehicle and back were taking a beating. The
garbage men really went wild the next day when 90% of my junkbox went out to
the alley.

My comments are also directed at the sellers who use something for 10 years
and want 95% of the retail price.

Take care 73 KI3R Tom Popovic Belle Vernon Pa.

[Robert Casey]

>
> All this is not limited to Hams -- it is an international practice. In some
> countries they have no respect for you if you don't go thru the drill of
> bartering. I have experienced this same drill in the good old USA for used
> goods, flea markets, newspaper ads, et al.
>


Also at car dealerships. I'm particularly poor at getting decent
deals at a car dealership... :-(

[me]

Personally, I believe Amateur Radio Licenses should cost $75 per year for
regulatory fees and the Commission should elimanate testing. I also believe
that is how it will eventually be in the near future.

73,

Me

"Burp not Burr" > wrote in message
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>
> "Minnie Bannister" > wrote in message
> ...
> > The fee for a Vanity Call will rise on August 6 from $16.30 to $20.80.
> > This is for a 10-year license.
>
> Doing the math, that comes out to about $2.08
> per year, or 0.0057 CENTS per-day over the
> course of a 10-Year period...........
>
> How much do you wanna bet however that the
> average traditionally el-cheapo ham radio operator
> will ****-and-moan like a stuck pig over a 0.0057
> Cent-per-day fee...??? (my guess is alot will !)
>
> For example, I was selling at a hamfest in Pa last
> month. Had a shoebox full of miniature tubes for
> $1.00 each. A real bargain considering tubes are
> going for much more on e-Bay. This putz comes
> walking up, digs thru the box for 2 minutes and pulls
> out *one* tube and wants it for 35 cents. I was willing
> to let it go for 75 cents but he wants it for 35 cents.
> No deal. He puts it back (tosses it) and gets all
> smart-ass saying "you'll sell it to me later for 35 Cents."
> The schmuck comes back 1/2 hour later digs it out
> and asks for it for 35 Cents again. I say OK, offer to
> wrap it, he hands it to me and while he's reachin for his
> 35 cents, I dropped the tube on the ground and smashed
> it with my trusty Nike, then told him I changed my mind
> and wanted $1.00 for it. This putz goes completely nuts saying
> he's looked all over 4 hamfests for this tube and he
> couldn't believe I smashed it. Jumpin up and down like a looney
> and me quietly hoping he would have a stroke right there
> as he must have weighed 300 pounds. A real "Eddie Slobbo"
> fer sure - baaaaaa hahahahah!! I just laughed and offered
> him a pleasant balance of the afternoon.
>
> After he left the dealers either side of me were almost teary-eyed
> laughing at the spectacle of this event, and we each shared a Pepsi
> from my trusty Coleman cooler and had a nice late-lunch at the
> pizza hut afterwards.
>
> El-Cheapo hams....always too much FUN to pass up
> the opportunity to poke'em-with-a-stick thru the
> monkey bars !! : ) : ) : )
>
>
>

[Dee D. Flint]

"me" > wrote in message
news:FJQHc.62140$Oq2.29491@attbi_s52...
> Personally, I believe Amateur Radio Licenses should cost $75 per year for
> regulatory fees and the Commission should elimanate testing. I also
believe
> that is how it will eventually be in the near future.
>
> 73,
>
> Me

Doubtful that testing would be eliminated. International treaties require
that there is proof the operators meet minimum qualifications.

Since the FCC has given testing responsibility to the amateur community, the
FCC simply issues the license so they don't have any vested interest in
eliminating testing. And of course they issue the regulations and enforce
those regulations like they do for all communications services.

Besides testing is needed to attempt to insure that the licensees will have
learned the basics of operating. Hams have such a wide range of privileges
and frequencies that some basic knowledge truly is a necessity. We already
have enough lids slip through so let's not make it worse.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

[Dee D. Flint]

"Mike Coslo" > wrote in message
...
> [snip]
> This is America, and you are allowed to ask any price you want for what
> you sell. The buyer can also offer any price they want.
>
> I would suggest that if a person is firm on all their prices, and
> doesn't want to deal, they might want to sell retail.

Unless, of course, their price is already ridiculously low. I was selling a
used tuner at a hamfest for 1/4 of what a new one would be as I simply
didn't like it, wanted to get a different one, and wanted to be sure to sell
it. A guy tried to bargain me down but I simply told him that we both knew
what they sold for both new and used and I wasn't budging. He forked over
the asking price.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

[Alun]

"me" > wrote in
news:FJQHc.62140$Oq2.29491@attbi_s52:

> Personally, I believe Amateur Radio Licenses should cost $75 per year
> for regulatory fees and the Commission should elimanate testing. I
> also believe that is how it will eventually be in the near future.
>
> 73,
>
> Me
>
> "Burp not Burr" > wrote in message
> groups.com...
>>
>> "Minnie Bannister" > wrote in
>> message ...
>> > The fee for a Vanity Call will rise on August 6 from $16.30 to
>> > $20.80. This is for a 10-year license.
>>
>> Doing the math, that comes out to about $2.08
>> per year, or 0.0057 CENTS per-day over the
>> course of a 10-Year period...........
>>
>> How much do you wanna bet however that the
>> average traditionally el-cheapo ham radio operator
>> will ****-and-moan like a stuck pig over a 0.0057
>> Cent-per-day fee...??? (my guess is alot will !)
>>
>> For example, I was selling at a hamfest in Pa last
>> month. Had a shoebox full of miniature tubes for
>> $1.00 each. A real bargain considering tubes are
>> going for much more on e-Bay. This putz comes
>> walking up, digs thru the box for 2 minutes and pulls
>> out *one* tube and wants it for 35 cents. I was willing
>> to let it go for 75 cents but he wants it for 35 cents.
>> No deal. He puts it back (tosses it) and gets all
>> smart-ass saying "you'll sell it to me later for 35 Cents."
>> The schmuck comes back 1/2 hour later digs it out
>> and asks for it for 35 Cents again. I say OK, offer to
>> wrap it, he hands it to me and while he's reachin for his
>> 35 cents, I dropped the tube on the ground and smashed
>> it with my trusty Nike, then told him I changed my mind
>> and wanted $1.00 for it. This putz goes completely nuts saying
>> he's looked all over 4 hamfests for this tube and he
>> couldn't believe I smashed it. Jumpin up and down like a looney
>> and me quietly hoping he would have a stroke right there
>> as he must have weighed 300 pounds. A real "Eddie Slobbo"
>> fer sure - baaaaaa hahahahah!! I just laughed and offered
>> him a pleasant balance of the afternoon.
>>
>> After he left the dealers either side of me were almost teary-eyed
>> laughing at the spectacle of this event, and we each shared a Pepsi
>> from my trusty Coleman cooler and had a nice late-lunch at the
>> pizza hut afterwards.
>>
>> El-Cheapo hams....always too much FUN to pass up
>> the opportunity to poke'em-with-a-stick thru the
>> monkey bars !! : ) : ) : )
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

You're crazy if you beleive that. I could see the vanity call fee
eventuallly getting that high, but the rest of your prediction is way off.

[William]

Alun > wrote in message >...
> "me" > wrote in
> news:FJQHc.62140$Oq2.29491@attbi_s52:
>
> > Personally, I believe Amateur Radio Licenses should cost $75 per year
> > for regulatory fees and the Commission should elimanate testing. I
> > also believe that is how it will eventually be in the near future.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Me
> >
> > "Burp not Burr" > wrote in message
> > groups.com...
> >>
> >> "Minnie Bannister" > wrote in
> >> message ...
> >> > The fee for a Vanity Call will rise on August 6 from $16.30 to
> >> > $20.80. This is for a 10-year license.
> >>
> >> Doing the math, that comes out to about $2.08
> >> per year, or 0.0057 CENTS per-day over the
> >> course of a 10-Year period...........
> >>
> >> How much do you wanna bet however that the
> >> average traditionally el-cheapo ham radio operator
> >> will ****-and-moan like a stuck pig over a 0.0057
> >> Cent-per-day fee...??? (my guess is alot will !)
> >>
> >> For example, I was selling at a hamfest in Pa last
> >> month. Had a shoebox full of miniature tubes for
> >> $1.00 each. A real bargain considering tubes are
> >> going for much more on e-Bay. This putz comes
> >> walking up, digs thru the box for 2 minutes and pulls
> >> out *one* tube and wants it for 35 cents. I was willing
> >> to let it go for 75 cents but he wants it for 35 cents.
> >> No deal. He puts it back (tosses it) and gets all
> >> smart-ass saying "you'll sell it to me later for 35 Cents."
> >> The schmuck comes back 1/2 hour later digs it out
> >> and asks for it for 35 Cents again. I say OK, offer to
> >> wrap it, he hands it to me and while he's reachin for his
> >> 35 cents, I dropped the tube on the ground and smashed
> >> it with my trusty Nike, then told him I changed my mind
> >> and wanted $1.00 for it. This putz goes completely nuts saying
> >> he's looked all over 4 hamfests for this tube and he
> >> couldn't believe I smashed it. Jumpin up and down like a looney
> >> and me quietly hoping he would have a stroke right there
> >> as he must have weighed 300 pounds. A real "Eddie Slobbo"
> >> fer sure - baaaaaa hahahahah!! I just laughed and offered
> >> him a pleasant balance of the afternoon.
> >>
> >> After he left the dealers either side of me were almost teary-eyed
> >> laughing at the spectacle of this event, and we each shared a Pepsi
> >> from my trusty Coleman cooler and had a nice late-lunch at the
> >> pizza hut afterwards.
> >>
> >> El-Cheapo hams....always too much FUN to pass up
> >> the opportunity to poke'em-with-a-stick thru the
> >> monkey bars !! : ) : ) : )
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
> You're crazy if you beleive that. I could see the vanity call fee
> eventuallly getting that high, but the rest of your prediction is way off.

Alun, are you saying that its the vanity people that require them most
regulatory attention, and thus should pay more?

[Alun]

(William) wrote in
om:

> Alun > wrote in message
> >...
>> "me" > wrote in
>> news:FJQHc.62140$Oq2.29491@attbi_s52:
>>
>> > Personally, I believe Amateur Radio Licenses should cost $75 per
>> > year for regulatory fees and the Commission should elimanate
>> > testing. I also believe that is how it will eventually be in the
>> > near future.
>> >
>> > 73,
>> >
>> > Me
>> >
>> > "Burp not Burr" > wrote in message
>> > groups.com...
>> >>
>> >> "Minnie Bannister" > wrote in
>> >> message ...
>> >> > The fee for a Vanity Call will rise on August 6 from $16.30 to
>> >> > $20.80. This is for a 10-year license.
>> >>
>> >> Doing the math, that comes out to about $2.08
>> >> per year, or 0.0057 CENTS per-day over the
>> >> course of a 10-Year period...........
>> >>
>> >> How much do you wanna bet however that the
>> >> average traditionally el-cheapo ham radio operator
>> >> will ****-and-moan like a stuck pig over a 0.0057
>> >> Cent-per-day fee...??? (my guess is alot will !)
>> >>
>> >> For example, I was selling at a hamfest in Pa last
>> >> month. Had a shoebox full of miniature tubes for
>> >> $1.00 each. A real bargain considering tubes are
>> >> going for much more on e-Bay. This putz comes
>> >> walking up, digs thru the box for 2 minutes and pulls
>> >> out *one* tube and wants it for 35 cents. I was willing
>> >> to let it go for 75 cents but he wants it for 35 cents.
>> >> No deal. He puts it back (tosses it) and gets all
>> >> smart-ass saying "you'll sell it to me later for 35 Cents."
>> >> The schmuck comes back 1/2 hour later digs it out
>> >> and asks for it for 35 Cents again. I say OK, offer to
>> >> wrap it, he hands it to me and while he's reachin for his
>> >> 35 cents, I dropped the tube on the ground and smashed
>> >> it with my trusty Nike, then told him I changed my mind
>> >> and wanted $1.00 for it. This putz goes completely nuts saying
>> >> he's looked all over 4 hamfests for this tube and he
>> >> couldn't believe I smashed it. Jumpin up and down like a looney
>> >> and me quietly hoping he would have a stroke right there
>> >> as he must have weighed 300 pounds. A real "Eddie Slobbo"
>> >> fer sure - baaaaaa hahahahah!! I just laughed and offered
>> >> him a pleasant balance of the afternoon.
>> >>
>> >> After he left the dealers either side of me were almost teary-eyed
>> >> laughing at the spectacle of this event, and we each shared a Pepsi
>> >> from my trusty Coleman cooler and had a nice late-lunch at the
>> >> pizza hut afterwards.
>> >>
>> >> El-Cheapo hams....always too much FUN to pass up
>> >> the opportunity to poke'em-with-a-stick thru the
>> >> monkey bars !! : ) : ) : )
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> You're crazy if you beleive that. I could see the vanity call fee
>> eventuallly getting that high, but the rest of your prediction is way
>> off.
>
> Alun, are you saying that its the vanity people that require them most
> regulatory attention, and thus should pay more?
>

No. How could you get that from what I said?

All I am saying, if I have to spell it out, is that there is absolutely
zero probability of theory testing being abolished and not much more
likelihood that fees will be reintroduced for other than vanity calls.

And furthermore, a $75 fee is not in the least likely to reduce bad
behaviour on the air.

[Mike Coslo]

Dee D. Flint wrote:
> "Mike Coslo" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>[snip]
>>This is America, and you are allowed to ask any price you want for what
>>you sell. The buyer can also offer any price they want.
>>
>>I would suggest that if a person is firm on all their prices, and
>>doesn't want to deal, they might want to sell retail.
>
>
> Unless, of course, their price is already ridiculously low. I was selling a
> used tuner at a hamfest for 1/4 of what a new one would be as I simply
> didn't like it, wanted to get a different one, and wanted to be sure to sell
> it. A guy tried to bargain me down but I simply told him that we both knew
> what they sold for both new and used and I wasn't budging. He forked over
> the asking price.

At 1/4 price, sure! I usually won't buy above 1/2 of currently
manufactured price. Elswise, I'm happy to buy new, with a warrantee and
I'm also not buying someone elses problems. My main point in this whole
discussion is that there are a lot of sellers that seem to hate buyers.
The Carny vs Rube thing.

- Mike KB3EIA -

[Dee D. Flint]

"Mike Coslo" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Dee D. Flint wrote:
> > "Mike Coslo" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >>[snip]
> >>This is America, and you are allowed to ask any price you want for what
> >>you sell. The buyer can also offer any price they want.
> >>
> >>I would suggest that if a person is firm on all their prices, and
> >>doesn't want to deal, they might want to sell retail.
> >
> >
> > Unless, of course, their price is already ridiculously low. I was
selling a
> > used tuner at a hamfest for 1/4 of what a new one would be as I simply
> > didn't like it, wanted to get a different one, and wanted to be sure to
sell
> > it. A guy tried to bargain me down but I simply told him that we both
knew
> > what they sold for both new and used and I wasn't budging. He forked
over
> > the asking price.
>
> At 1/4 price, sure! I usually won't buy above 1/2 of currently
> manufactured price. Elswise, I'm happy to buy new, with a warrantee and
> I'm also not buying someone elses problems. My main point in this whole
> discussion is that there are a lot of sellers that seem to hate buyers.
> The Carny vs Rube thing.
>
> - Mike KB3EIA -
>

My point was that he STILL tried to bargain me down even though we both knew
it was already lower than it should have been.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

[me]

Since when does the US care about so called ``treaties."

73,

Me

"Dee D. Flint" > wrote in message
...
>
> "me" > wrote in message
> news:FJQHc.62140$Oq2.29491@attbi_s52...
> > Personally, I believe Amateur Radio Licenses should cost $75 per year
for
> > regulatory fees and the Commission should elimanate testing. I also
> believe
> > that is how it will eventually be in the near future.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Me
>
> Doubtful that testing would be eliminated. International treaties require
> that there is proof the operators meet minimum qualifications.
>
> Since the FCC has given testing responsibility to the amateur community,
the
> FCC simply issues the license so they don't have any vested interest in
> eliminating testing. And of course they issue the regulations and enforce
> those regulations like they do for all communications services.
>
> Besides testing is needed to attempt to insure that the licensees will
have
> learned the basics of operating. Hams have such a wide range of
privileges
> and frequencies that some basic knowledge truly is a necessity. We
already
> have enough lids slip through so let's not make it worse.
>
> Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
>

[clifto]

Dee D. Flint wrote:
> Doubtful that testing would be eliminated. International treaties require
> that there is proof the operators meet minimum qualifications.

They used to require Morse code. The testing requirements could be
removed just as easily as the Morse requirements were.

--
Spammers are people who are too lazy and cowardly to rob liquor stores, but
still want to make money by stealing instead of working.
-- Morely Dotes, The Open Sourceror's Apprentice

[me]

and OTOH, Riley is an ass...If he was smart, he'd have his own law firm
making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year defending clients against the
FCC. But working a Gov't job proves that he can't survive in the REAL
world, folks. I'll just give you a couple of examples of his stupidity.
First he tells hams that they can't operate on 146.52 and that they should
make contact and then QSY. Second, he tells us hams that we can't use
phonetics when ID'ing...I mean come on people, you don't need to be a rocket
scientist to know that!!

Ciao,

Me

"me" > wrote in message
news:BVZHc.63953$XM6.30522@attbi_s53...
> and just who do you think you are that everyone should give their name and
> call on here??? I certainly don't have to answer to you!!
>
> Ciao,
>
> Me
>
> "Steve Robeson K4CAP" > wrote in message
> ...
> > >Subject: Re: Vanity Call fee going up in August
> > >From: "Dee D. Flint"
> > >Date: 7/10/2004 7:19 AM Central Standard Time
> > >Message-id: >
> > >
> > >
> > >"me" > wrote in message
> > >news:FJQHc.62140$Oq2.29491@attbi_s52...
> > >> Personally, I believe Amateur Radio Licenses should cost $75 per year
> for
> > >> regulatory fees and the Commission should elimanate testing. I also
> > >believe
> > >> that is how it will eventually be in the near future.
> > >>
> > >> 73,
> > >>
> > >> Me
> > >
> > >Doubtful that testing would be eliminated. International treaties
> require
> > >that there is proof the operators meet minimum qualifications.
> > >
> > >Since the FCC has given testing responsibility to the amateur
community,
> the
> > >FCC simply issues the license so they don't have any vested interest in
> > >eliminating testing. And of course they issue the regulations and
> enforce
> > >those regulations like they do for all communications services.
> > >
> > >Besides testing is needed to attempt to insure that the licensees will
> have
> > >learned the basics of operating. Hams have such a wide range of
> privileges
> > >and frequencies that some basic knowledge truly is a necessity. We
> already
> > >have enough lids slip through so let's not make it worse.
> >
> > Dee,
> >
> > I was going to dismiss the troll's post simply on the basis that it
> was
> > written by someone who doesn't have the gonads to sign his/her name to
> thier
> > public comments (read that: coward) but then I got to thinking that
there
> might
> > be something to it.
> >
> > You know, of course, that I work in healthcare as an ER nurse...And
> you
> > would be absolutely shocked at the number of people who come to the ER
in
> > distress because they claim they can't "afford" thier medicines...Of
> course
> > they either wreak of cigarette smoke, metabolized alcohol, or both...but
> they
> > can't "afford" medicine.
> >
> > So...ballpark the number of Amatuers at 650K...At $75/license that
is
> over
> > $48M a year for the General Treasury coffers. Of course for that I'd
> expect a
> > lot stricter policing of the bands by Riley & Co for it, but hey, let's
do
> > it...
> >
> > I am willing to bet that most of the idiots who are discipline
> problems on
> > the bands are smokers, too. That $75 would be a whole lot of
cigarettes,
> even
> > at present day prices. And there is one ultimate truism...Smokers will
> forego
> > food, debts and common sense in order to buy more cigarettes (as will
> > alcoholics for more alcohol...). I am willing to bet the scufflaws on
75
> and
> > 20 meters would go away in short order after the extra money for
> enforcement
> > nails them to the wall.
> >
> > My license is worth $75/year to me. I'd pony up the cash. And I
can
> > promise you you will never see my name in one of Riley's "letters" on
the
> ARRL
> > website!
> >
> > 73
> >
> > Steve, K4YZ
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[JJ]

me wrote:

> Since when does the US care about so called ``treaties."

Since when does anyone here care about you?

[garigue]

..
> Personally, I believe Amateur Radio Licenses should cost $75 per year for
> regulatory fees and the Commission should elimanate testing. I also
believe
> that is how it will eventually be in the near future.
>
> 73,
>
> me

Hello me ??????? oh well .........

You have an excellent suggestion there regarding the 75 bucks a year. That
would get the Feds the kind of enforcement clout that would have all the
echo chambers, illegal KW users, freebanders, shrimp boat screw-ups, 25
alternator pick-ups, 10 meter truckers, illegal 11 meter bums ETC. running
for the hills, burying their illegal rigs under the manure pile and getting
into leather working or beanie babies. The enforcement WAS that way. I
know a lot of people in the past who got hit with $500 (1965 dollar) fines.
So me you have a very positive idea there ...one that I would have no
trouble with. IF one really wanted to be a ham then 75 clams would be a
bargain. However the cheep-Os would be squealing like a greased pig if this
were to pass. Also the testing could be given back to the FCC where it
belonged in the first place where, like I said before, shenanigans could
be minimized.

Testing elimination ? ...... probably not for a while but one thing I would
suggest is that with the funds the present 11 meter system could be shut
down permanently and placed up on UHF where CB would realize its original
intent.

Take care all ...... KI3R Tom Popovic Belle Vernon Pa

[me]

I have a joke for you guys...What does a 200 lb canary say??

answer

cheap cheap cheap!!! hahahaha!!!


"garigue" > wrote in message
news:Kh%Hc.64407$XM6.34596@attbi_s53...
>
> .
> > Personally, I believe Amateur Radio Licenses should cost $75 per year
for
> > regulatory fees and the Commission should elimanate testing. I also
> believe
> > that is how it will eventually be in the near future.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > me
>
> Hello me ??????? oh well .........
>
> You have an excellent suggestion there regarding the 75 bucks a year.
That
> would get the Feds the kind of enforcement clout that would have all the
> echo chambers, illegal KW users, freebanders, shrimp boat screw-ups, 25
> alternator pick-ups, 10 meter truckers, illegal 11 meter bums ETC. running
> for the hills, burying their illegal rigs under the manure pile and
getting
> into leather working or beanie babies. The enforcement WAS that way. I
> know a lot of people in the past who got hit with $500 (1965 dollar)
fines.
> So me you have a very positive idea there ...one that I would have no
> trouble with. IF one really wanted to be a ham then 75 clams would be a
> bargain. However the cheep-Os would be squealing like a greased pig if
this
> were to pass. Also the testing could be given back to the FCC where it
> belonged in the first place where, like I said before, shenanigans could
> be minimized.
>
> Testing elimination ? ...... probably not for a while but one thing I
would
> suggest is that with the funds the present 11 meter system could be shut
> down permanently and placed up on UHF where CB would realize its original
> intent.
>
> Take care all ...... KI3R Tom Popovic Belle Vernon Pa
>
>

[Mike Coslo]

Dee D. Flint wrote:
> "Mike Coslo" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>
>>Dee D. Flint wrote:
>>
>>>"Mike Coslo" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>
>>>>[snip]
>>>>This is America, and you are allowed to ask any price you want for what
>>>>you sell. The buyer can also offer any price they want.
>>>>
>>>>I would suggest that if a person is firm on all their prices, and
>>>>doesn't want to deal, they might want to sell retail.
>>>
>>>
>>>Unless, of course, their price is already ridiculously low. I was
>
> selling a
>
>>>used tuner at a hamfest for 1/4 of what a new one would be as I simply
>>>didn't like it, wanted to get a different one, and wanted to be sure to
>
> sell
>
>>>it. A guy tried to bargain me down but I simply told him that we both
>
> knew
>
>>>what they sold for both new and used and I wasn't budging. He forked
>
> over
>
>>>the asking price.
>>
>>At 1/4 price, sure! I usually won't buy above 1/2 of currently
>>manufactured price. Elswise, I'm happy to buy new, with a warrantee and
>>I'm also not buying someone elses problems. My main point in this whole
>>discussion is that there are a lot of sellers that seem to hate buyers.
>>The Carny vs Rube thing.
>>
>>- Mike KB3EIA -
>>
>
>
> My point was that he STILL tried to bargain me down even though we both knew
> it was already lower than it should have been.

That's when you tell him that for any better prices, your "good deal
manager" is a lady named Helen Waite. If he wants a better price, he has
to go to ........... 8^)

- Mike KB3EIA -

[me]

I didn't say anyone did, you did my boy.

ME

"JJ" > wrote in message
...
> me wrote:
>
> > Since when does the US care about so called ``treaties."
>
> Since when does anyone here care about you?
>

[Dee D. Flint]

"Mike Coslo" > wrote in message
...
> [snip]
>
> Dee D. Flint wrote:
> >
> > My point was that he STILL tried to bargain me down even though we both
knew
> > it was already lower than it should have been.
>
> That's when you tell him that for any better prices, your "good deal
> manager" is a lady named Helen Waite. If he wants a better price, he has
> to go to ........... 8^)
>
> - Mike KB3EIA -
>

Nah, I'm too polite for that. Besides he bought it at the price I had.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE