Re: US Cops???

[Arthritic old man]

My brother-in-law was asked if he had any guns . He replied Doesn't everyone
! :0 WRONG ANWSER they had him pull over . All of the kids 6 of them, got
out of the car . Don was talking to the cop and turned around and all of
the kids had their hands up on the car top and feet spread ready to be
searched.
They spent 5 hours that day having the car dismantled. LOL

[Dan/W4NTI]

LOL !!

Dan/W4NTI

"Qdarts" > wrote in message news:3ef67956_4@newsfeed...
> Also don't wear your laundry on top of your head and you will be better
off!
>
> "Dan/W4NTI" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Just don't speak French and you will do fine.
> >
> > Dan/W4NTI
> >
> > "Alexander S. Wood" > wrote in
message
> > ...
> > >
> > > "Dr. John" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Seems justifiable based on his past experience. Paranoia, meet
> cynicism.
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > >
> > >
> > > Given what I hear from the American contributors to this and other
NG's,
> > > I'll be exercising a little "paranoia" of my own when I holiday in
your
> > fine
> > > country later this year. We might be forgiven for getting the idea
that
> > > possessing either off-white skin, a foreign passport, or failing to
wear
> > "I
> > > love George Bush" T-Shirts in public places were all capital offences.
> > >
> > > UK readers should be assured that "real" Americans bear little
> resemblance
> > > to those heard loudest on these NG's. They're really quite human
> friendly
> > > folk. - Dunno about American cops though......
> > >
> > > --
> > > Alec Wood M1BNK
> > > Teesside UK
> > >
> > > Interested in Ham Radio....have a look at www.ukradioamateur.org
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Alexander S. Wood]

"Dwight Stewart" > wrote in message
...
> "WG" wrote:
>
<snip>
>
> Good grief, what did you ask the officer? I can't think of a simple
> question which would solicit that type of response.
>
>
I can. How's about "Excuse me officer, can you tell me the way to the
nearest Mosque?"

--
Alec Wood M1BNK
Teesside UK

Interested in Ham Radio....have a look at www.ukradioamateur.org

[WG]

I was a traveling photographer in 1988 and was looking for a place to stay.
All of the hotels and motels on the Canadian side were full so my partner
and I decided to try to stay across the line. His car had all of the camera
equipment in it. To make a long story short I got through and he got carded
so I went to ask him about the camera equipment. I asked the inspector if I
could talk to him and he hit the deck with his semi-auto leveled at me. When
the guys in the booth and the office saw this on the video monitors 3
shotguns and a second semi-auto were leveled at me. I learned that you don't
say anything and don't get out of your car. This was back in the days when
Canadian Customs didn't even carry guns but I found out that the US sure
did.
One other thing about the last trip across on Friday going into the US one
of the cars one lane over from me stopped a little too close to the
inspector as he was searching the car in front and out came the gun. That
made for a tense few moments.

"Dwight Stewart" > wrote in message
...
> "WG" wrote:
>
> > No I didn't ask if he was a Ham because I know
> > that if you try to do anything besides answer
> > the questions they will take you off to one side
> > and strip your car down then after about 1 hour
> > they will let you put it back together. One time
> > I asked a question to a customs officer and ended
> > up looking down the barrel of a shotgun on the US
> > side.
>
>
> Good grief, what did you ask the officer? I can't think of a simple
> question which would solicit that type of response.
>
>
> > Coming into Canada 2 years ago I made a comment to
> > the Canadian Customs Inspector about having a nice
> > trip and got yellow carded. After being personally
> > searched they then had us go out to our car and
> > watch as they striped it down. (snip)
>
>
> You don't have very much luck with police and customs officers, do you?
> I've crossed into and out of Canada probably more than a hundred times,
all
> without any experiences like this. My vehicle was only search once, and
then
> each section only glanced at for a few seconds.
>
>
> Dwight Stewart (W5NET)
>
> http://www.qsl.net/w5net/
>

[Dave VanHorn]

I work for a company based in Vancouver, and my wife's family is scattered
all over the vancouver area, and several places on Pt Roberts, so I'm
through the Blaine and Pt Roberts crossings fairly frequently. I've NEVER
had any problems with the border guys on either side, and my car has been
called a porcupine more than once.

Three dual banders, Doppler DF rig, and two GPS antennas. I've trimmed down
recently.

On one trip, I ran over 7500 miles, and a ton of border crossings before
anyone even noticed that the car had no plates on it. (new car) I did
have the piece of paper taped to the window, about credit card size, on the
passenger side, which nobody bothered to look at..

[Larry]

Lots of police are hams. Check out the IPRC.
Larry
W5wlb
(retired police)

[Dan/W4NTI]

I really don't know what to say about all the horror stories. My wife and
her daughter and I drove through to Alberta and entered in North Dakota. No
problem what so ever. Came back into Montana, again no problems at all.

And as far as conversations. Had a nice chat with both sides of the custom
folks. No guns drawn or strip searches resulted. Oh well.

Maybe it was the mini van that saved us.

Dan/W4NTI

"WG" > wrote in message
...
> I was a traveling photographer in 1988 and was looking for a place to
stay.
> All of the hotels and motels on the Canadian side were full so my partner
> and I decided to try to stay across the line. His car had all of the
camera
> equipment in it. To make a long story short I got through and he got
carded
> so I went to ask him about the camera equipment. I asked the inspector if
I
> could talk to him and he hit the deck with his semi-auto leveled at me.
When
> the guys in the booth and the office saw this on the video monitors 3
> shotguns and a second semi-auto were leveled at me. I learned that you
don't
> say anything and don't get out of your car. This was back in the days when
> Canadian Customs didn't even carry guns but I found out that the US sure
> did.
> One other thing about the last trip across on Friday going into the US one
> of the cars one lane over from me stopped a little too close to the
> inspector as he was searching the car in front and out came the gun. That
> made for a tense few moments.
>
> "Dwight Stewart" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "WG" wrote:
> >
> > > No I didn't ask if he was a Ham because I know
> > > that if you try to do anything besides answer
> > > the questions they will take you off to one side
> > > and strip your car down then after about 1 hour
> > > they will let you put it back together. One time
> > > I asked a question to a customs officer and ended
> > > up looking down the barrel of a shotgun on the US
> > > side.
> >
> >
> > Good grief, what did you ask the officer? I can't think of a simple
> > question which would solicit that type of response.
> >
> >
> > > Coming into Canada 2 years ago I made a comment to
> > > the Canadian Customs Inspector about having a nice
> > > trip and got yellow carded. After being personally
> > > searched they then had us go out to our car and
> > > watch as they striped it down. (snip)
> >
> >
> > You don't have very much luck with police and customs officers, do
you?
> > I've crossed into and out of Canada probably more than a hundred times,
> all
> > without any experiences like this. My vehicle was only search once, and
> then
> > each section only glanced at for a few seconds.
> >
> >
> > Dwight Stewart (W5NET)
> >
> > http://www.qsl.net/w5net/
> >
>
>

[WG]

I have crossed at the peace arch many times before over the past few years
with no troubles but this time was different. The things I am wondering
about is why were the police so close to the Canadian side with a road block
and what did my radios have to do with anything. You had to go through the
search to line up for the Canadian customs check and that is very odd.

"Dave VanHorn" > wrote in message
...
>
> I work for a company based in Vancouver, and my wife's family is scattered
> all over the vancouver area, and several places on Pt Roberts, so I'm
> through the Blaine and Pt Roberts crossings fairly frequently. I've NEVER
> had any problems with the border guys on either side, and my car has been
> called a porcupine more than once.
>
> Three dual banders, Doppler DF rig, and two GPS antennas. I've trimmed
down
> recently.
>
> On one trip, I ran over 7500 miles, and a ton of border crossings before
> anyone even noticed that the car had no plates on it. (new car) I did
> have the piece of paper taped to the window, about credit card size, on
the
> passenger side, which nobody bothered to look at..
>
>
>
>
>

[John Dyson]

"Alexander S. Wood" wrote:
>
> "John Dyson" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "Alexander S. Wood" wrote:
> > >
> > > "Dr. John" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Seems justifiable based on his past experience. Paranoia, meet
> cynicism.
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > >
> > >
> > > Given what I hear from the American contributors to this and other NG's,
> > > I'll be exercising a little "paranoia" of my own when I holiday in your
> fine
> > > country later this year. We might be forgiven for getting the idea that
> > > possessing either off-white skin, a foreign passport, or failing to wear
> "I
> > > love George Bush" T-Shirts in public places were all capital offences.
> > >
> > It is worrisome when an 'I love George Bush' T-Shirt would cause
> > problems. That might SOMETIMES have a different meaning than
> > 'I love Bill Clinton' also :-).
> >
> I didn't say wearing one would cause trouble - what I said was NOT wearing
> one when out in public would.
>
That is really a weird claim, and is the reason why I tried to interpret
it in the way that I did. Perhaps you should try to 'understand' the
situation instead of making such a wierd claim? I do fully understand
the extremely biased hate-mongering media, and also fully recognize that
the hate-mongering media is taking further advantage of the populace whose
education about America is mostly based upon Hollywood nonsense. It
would be good to avoid being fearful of a slight amount of American
patriotism. It is the Americans who are the victims of disinformation
that leads to observations like 'not wearing certain T-Shirts might
cause a certain problem.'

The true 'chauvinism' is that which is being perpetrated against the
US by the biased and dishonest media that misleads the non-US public
against the US. The US DEFINITELY has some faults, but a knowledge
base that comes from Hollywood and disgustingly misleading anti-US
press (and also anti-centrist/anti-rightwing) isn't really a knowledge
base, but is a stupidity base. Using a 'European' viewpoint when
interpreting US politics could lead to really wierd conclusions... For
example, the often Xenophobic European right-wing has little in
common with the majority of the US right-wing (which doesn't tend
to be as Xenophobic.)

John

[Dwight Stewart]

"WG" wrote:

> I was a traveling photographer in 1988 and was looking
> for a place to stay. All of the hotels and motels on
> the Canadian side were full so my partner and I decided
> to try to stay across the line. His car had all of the
> camera equipment in it. To make a long story short I
> got through and he got carded so I went to ask him
> about the camera equipment. I asked the inspector if I
> could talk to him and he hit the deck with his semi-auto
> leveled at me. When the guys in the booth and the office
> saw this on the video monitors 3 shotguns and a second
> semi-auto were leveled at me. I learned that you don't
> say anything and don't get out of your car. This was
> back in the days when Canadian Customs didn't even carry
> guns but I found out that the US sure did. (snip)


Well, I just don't know what to say about your story, WG. As I've said,
I've traveled back and forth across the border many times with no problems
whatsoever. Why you have had more problems is beyond me.

By the way, what do you photograph? I've been a professional photographer,
on the side, for many years. In fact, photography will likely be my main job
(major source of income) after I retire. My main interests are split between
fashion photography and travel photography (with some experience in almost
everything else along the way).


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

[Dan/W4NTI]

Well put and accurate. Another thank you to the 1960s radicals that are now
tenured in our institutions of higher learning. Where the students can't
read and need a roadmap to find a history class.

Dan/W4NTI

"John Dyson" > wrote in message
...
> "Alexander S. Wood" wrote:
> >
> > "John Dyson" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > "Alexander S. Wood" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Dr. John" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > Seems justifiable based on his past experience. Paranoia, meet
> > cynicism.
> > > > >
> > > > > John
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Given what I hear from the American contributors to this and other
NG's,
> > > > I'll be exercising a little "paranoia" of my own when I holiday in
your
> > fine
> > > > country later this year. We might be forgiven for getting the idea
that
> > > > possessing either off-white skin, a foreign passport, or failing to
wear
> > "I
> > > > love George Bush" T-Shirts in public places were all capital
offences.
> > > >
> > > It is worrisome when an 'I love George Bush' T-Shirt would cause
> > > problems. That might SOMETIMES have a different meaning than
> > > 'I love Bill Clinton' also :-).
> > >
> > I didn't say wearing one would cause trouble - what I said was NOT
wearing
> > one when out in public would.
> >
> That is really a weird claim, and is the reason why I tried to interpret
> it in the way that I did. Perhaps you should try to 'understand' the
> situation instead of making such a wierd claim? I do fully understand
> the extremely biased hate-mongering media, and also fully recognize that
> the hate-mongering media is taking further advantage of the populace whose
> education about America is mostly based upon Hollywood nonsense. It
> would be good to avoid being fearful of a slight amount of American
> patriotism. It is the Americans who are the victims of disinformation
> that leads to observations like 'not wearing certain T-Shirts might
> cause a certain problem.'
>
> The true 'chauvinism' is that which is being perpetrated against the
> US by the biased and dishonest media that misleads the non-US public
> against the US. The US DEFINITELY has some faults, but a knowledge
> base that comes from Hollywood and disgustingly misleading anti-US
> press (and also anti-centrist/anti-rightwing) isn't really a knowledge
> base, but is a stupidity base. Using a 'European' viewpoint when
> interpreting US politics could lead to really wierd conclusions... For
> example, the often Xenophobic European right-wing has little in
> common with the majority of the US right-wing (which doesn't tend
> to be as Xenophobic.)
>
> John

[James Hauser]

did you offer them a donut?
"Dan/W4NTI" > wrote in message
...
> LOL !!
>
> Dan/W4NTI
>
> "Qdarts" > wrote in message news:3ef67956_4@newsfeed...
> > Also don't wear your laundry on top of your head and you will be better
> off!
> >
> > "Dan/W4NTI" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Just don't speak French and you will do fine.
> > >
> > > Dan/W4NTI
> > >
> > > "Alexander S. Wood" > wrote in
> message
> > > ...
> > > >
> > > > "Dr. John" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > Seems justifiable based on his past experience. Paranoia, meet
> > cynicism.
> > > > >
> > > > > John
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Given what I hear from the American contributors to this and other
> NG's,
> > > > I'll be exercising a little "paranoia" of my own when I holiday in
> your
> > > fine
> > > > country later this year. We might be forgiven for getting the idea
> that
> > > > possessing either off-white skin, a foreign passport, or failing to
> wear
> > > "I
> > > > love George Bush" T-Shirts in public places were all capital
offences.
> > > >
> > > > UK readers should be assured that "real" Americans bear little
> > resemblance
> > > > to those heard loudest on these NG's. They're really quite human
> > friendly
> > > > folk. - Dunno about American cops though......
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Alec Wood M1BNK
> > > > Teesside UK
> > > >
> > > > Interested in Ham Radio....have a look at www.ukradioamateur.org
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Dan/W4NTI]

"Dwight Stewart" > wrote in message
...
> "Dan/W4NTI" wrote:
>
> > Well put and accurate. Another thank you to the
> > 1960s radicals that are now tenured in our
> > institutions of higher learning. Where the students
> > can't read and need a roadmap to find a history class.
>
>
> Sadly, since so many flunked geography (or didn't even take it because
so
> few schools offer it anymore), a road map probably wouldn't help much
> either.
>
> Actually, John has an excellent point about the impression presented by
> the media to those outside the United States. Because of crime and
violence
> on television, surely criminals outside the country are convinced America
is
> a criminal's dream come true - a place where false ID is easy to obtain,
> where criminals can easily set up shop using fake business names, where
> illegal guns are openly sold on the street, where drugs are sold on just
> about every street corner, where few people report the criminal activities
> they see, and where police are perhaps even criminals also.
>
> It does make you wonder why so many really want to move to America.
>
>
> Dwight Stewart (W5NET)
>
> http://www.qsl.net/w5net/
>

Can't argue with that a bit.

Dan/W4NTI

[John Dyson]

Dwight Stewart wrote:
>
> "Dan/W4NTI" wrote:
>
> > Well put and accurate. Another thank you to the
> > 1960s radicals that are now tenured in our
> > institutions of higher learning. Where the students
> > can't read and need a roadmap to find a history class.
>
> Sadly, since so many flunked geography (or didn't even take it because so
> few schools offer it anymore), a road map probably wouldn't help much
> either.
>
> Actually, John has an excellent point about the impression presented by
> the media to those outside the United States. Because of crime and violence
> on television, surely criminals outside the country are convinced America is
> a criminal's dream come true - a place where false ID is easy to obtain,
> where criminals can easily set up shop using fake business names, where
> illegal guns are openly sold on the street, where drugs are sold on just
> about every street corner, where few people report the criminal activities
> they see, and where police are perhaps even criminals also.
>
The US has pockets of problems (mostly in cities that are managed by our
left wing -- which isn't really directly related to party per-se), but the
vast majority of America is quite tame. There is also a problem with
repeated, self-fulfilling victimhood that is damaging industriousness
and personal responsibility.

The pockets of problems in the US are quite different in many ways than
the problems in Europe (and elsewhere.) Interpreting the US with the
disinformation that is spewed by various ersatz-information sources, and
based upon the realities in Europe would lead to insanely incorrect
conclusions.

All too often, even in the US, with US news sources, the information is
overly sensationalized, and the size of various minor disasters and/or
difficulties are too often overblown. When true disasters or horrible
circumstances occur, then there is even a movement to 'manage' public
outrage or response. This tends to compress the public view of the
magnitude of 'news' items. Laci Peterson (for example) seems to get
as much news as the WTC attacks, even though the magnitude of the
individual acts aren't comparable.

John

[Dwight Stewart]

"John Dyson" wrote:
>
> The US has pockets of problems (mostly in cities
> that are managed by our left wing -- which isn't
> really directly related to party per-se), but the
> vast majority of America is quite tame. (snip)


I don't know if I can agree with that, especially when looking at this
from a foreigner's perspective. While it is certainly true crime is far
lower outside the larger cities, the rest of America is hardly tame. For
example, I live in a small town (population about 15,000). There have been
41 murders in the last ten years, which is more than ten times the number of
murders in Heidelberg Germany during that same period - Heidelberg is a town
about ten times larger than this town.

I couldn't find a European town that even came close to matching the
number of murders in this town during that period (Heidelberg was picked as
an example above simply because I once lived there). Sadly, I found plenty
of small towns across America that far exceeded the crime numbers of similar
size towns in Europe.

With that in mind, while we may look tame compared to those living in some
very violent countries in the Middle East, Africa, and so on, America
probably looks totally out of control to those from much more tame countries
(and that includes America's smaller towns).

However, I do agree with your overall comments about the media's role in
hyping the problems here.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

[Alexander S. Wood]

Regarding your portrayal by the media. You should note that we actually get
our impression not just from our own media, but from the US media too.

Our country's cable news channels carry programs such as "60 minutes" and
similar, and CNN is as inescapable as a cold virus in winter. I think every
European country carries a 24-7 CNN channel on cable.

Time for you, the US citizens to sort out your own media, or at least get
them to export something that portrays your country (and especially its
officialdom) as a little less xenophobic and a little less violent.

--
Alec Wood M1BNK
Teesside UK

Interested in Ham Radio....have a look at www.ukradioamateur.org

"Dwight Stewart" > wrote in message
...
> "John Dyson" wrote:
> >
> > The US has pockets of problems (mostly in cities
> > that are managed by our left wing -- which isn't
> > really directly related to party per-se), but the
> > vast majority of America is quite tame. (snip)
>
>
> I don't know if I can agree with that, especially when looking at this
> from a foreigner's perspective. While it is certainly true crime is far
> lower outside the larger cities, the rest of America is hardly tame. For
> example, I live in a small town (population about 15,000). There have been
> 41 murders in the last ten years, which is more than ten times the number
of
> murders in Heidelberg Germany during that same period - Heidelberg is a
town
> about ten times larger than this town.
>
> I couldn't find a European town that even came close to matching the
> number of murders in this town during that period (Heidelberg was picked
as
> an example above simply because I once lived there). Sadly, I found plenty
> of small towns across America that far exceeded the crime numbers of
similar
> size towns in Europe.
>
> With that in mind, while we may look tame compared to those living in
some
> very violent countries in the Middle East, Africa, and so on, America
> probably looks totally out of control to those from much more tame
countries
> (and that includes America's smaller towns).
>
> However, I do agree with your overall comments about the media's role in
> hyping the problems here.
>
>
> Dwight Stewart (W5NET)
>
> http://www.qsl.net/w5net/
>