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Proposing Yahoo Aircheck group
Hello
I am an aircheck collector and a fan of old music radio and disk jockeys. As of now there are only two forums for us; the ReelRadio forum and a primarily Canadian forum. If more old hands in the radio trade and other aircheck collectors show enough interest I propose the establishment of a Yahoo group dealing in airchecks and old music radio (eg. Top 40 radio from the Fifties to the Eighties). Sadly the ReelRadio forum is being operated under strict rules that preclude advertising other aircheck collections or posting excerpts from other sources. And its operator, "Uncle Ricky", enforces these rules with an iron fist. I was blocked from the message board apparently for asking how to get legal permission for putting unscoped airchecks on an internet radio station. The final straw for me came when Uncle Ricky berated Anita Bonita, former air personality, for putting excerpts from a third source on the board. He pitched a tantrum and threatened to take down the message board. We as aircheck collectors do not need to suffer for Uncle Ricky's desire to further his self-aggrandizement (he apparently wants nobody else to provide airchecks) at the expense of the overall preservation of old music radio. Thank you Ken |
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Correction:
It was NOT, repeat NOT Anita Bonita but another Anita who was castigated by Uncle Ricky. Yet I still stand by my basic idea of a Yahoo group. KAT |
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Ken,
First of all, Uncle Ricky provides one of the greatest resources out there for people who want to listen to old Top 40 airchecks. The day you run your own website, pay for your own website and administer your own website -- plus polish all the audio and write most of the text -- then you can complain about "suffering" because of "his self-aggrandizement." Second, when you say "he apparently wants nobody else to provide airchecks," you've obviously not spent any time on the website. If you pay attention, virtually EVERY audio recording was provided by someone other than Ricky. In fact, nearly every well-known collector has contributed audio to the site. Third, do you know all the different elements that go into having to get permissions and rights to stream these audio presentations on the Internet? After you get through jumping through all the hoops of setting up an account with SoundExchange to pay royalties, not to mention setting up the streaming server, let me know how much you enjoyed the experience. ReelRadio is very genre specific -- Top 40 radio. I wanted to share my collection of 30+ years of airchecks, documents and photographs, so I started my own website and jumped through those hoops. Oh, and if you tried to post "advertising other aircheck collections or posting excerpts from other sources" on my site, I'd do the same thing Ricky did. Sadly the ReelRadio forum is being operated under strict rules... Again, spend a minute or two on ReelRadio to learn what it's about. It's not a trading post. It's not a place that sells airchecks. And don't forget that it's his website, and he can make the rules, the same way you can when you set up your own website. By the way, rather than starting another Yahoo aircheck group, why don't you join one that's already there? I count at least five general interest aircheck collecting groups on Yahoo right now, plus another dozen with more specific interests. (Of course, they may have rules that you disagree with.) One of the best groups out there is Radio-Info.com's Aircheck Collector board (http://www.radio-info.com/mods/posts?Board=airchecks), which is regularly visited by some of the better-known collectors. Give it a shot; it's moderated, but the rules are flexible enough that you won't have the problem you encountered at ReelRadio. D.J. |
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Count me in!
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"kturnerga" writes:
We as aircheck collectors do not need to suffer for Uncle Ricky's desire to further his self-aggrandizement (he apparently wants nobody else to provide airchecks) at the expense of the overall preservation of old music radio. Assuming you have related the entire facts of the matter, the "final straw" case was when he got upset when someone used his web site to publish materials for which no authorizing legal paperwork was given. This was presumably a clear violation of the policy of his web site, we well as a violation of the terms of service with his Internet provider (who could take down his site off the net). Perhaps Uncle Ricky is justifiably concerned (or even terrified) that he will be both shut down and on the receiving end of very serious legal action from the owners of the copyrighted materials that you propose to reproduce. I propose the establishment of a Yahoo group dealing in airchecks and old music radio (eg. Top 40 radio from the Fifties to the Eighties). I have no idea whether Yahoo will ultimately allow you to host these kinds of materials, but I suspect that they will have terms and conditions forbidding it. Anyway, I don't see why you shouldn't feel free to bring up your own site, solicit contributed materials, and make up your own rules. It should be possible to accomplish legally. Maybe your site will be better than Uncle Ricky's. Post the URL here when it's available. As I am sure you realize, all on-air material is copyrighted by the broadcast station (its owners/successors), as typically indicated in the station sign-on/off announcement. Individual elements of the broadcast compilation work, such as the commercials and jingles are in turn copyrighted by agencies and clients. The DJ banter is probably owned by the station, since it was an employer/employee work for hire, unless it was licensed as a special production of the DJ or a syndication. Music played on the radio in the 1950s is still under copyright, and (since I'm listening to an oldies FM station at this moment) I am fairly certain that it's subject to licensing from ASCAP and BMI, with additional enforcement by organizations such as the RIAA (which has been very aggressive in Internet-based copyright violations). One assumes that you have good lawyers and deep pockets. So, do let us know how that goes. |
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