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Looks like he can no read , out here in the Boondocks your rant if that ,
looks quite factual , not being mean to you personally fella but maybe your not "PATRIOT" enough Dick , with the utmost sarcasm too :-) .. "Dick" wrote in message ... I have no idea what you are referring to in my message. Please list a couple of the specific points in my message, and what you disagree with. Nothing I mentioned are theories, nor is it ranting. I can't believe you even read my message. It would help if you would leave at least part of the message you are responding to. Dick - W6CCD On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 10:12:47 -1000, Joseph Fenn wrote: Dick, I do not follow your ranting and theorizing of Ham radio nor useage of Packet, PSK, and other forms of msg handling. As we all know by now, the WWW is not infalible, nor the CellPhone industry nor many of your other theories. After 70 years with AARS/MARS etc I for one am proud to be a member of Ham radio and all its requirements. And yes Hams have access to the Space Ship as I understand it. So accept my dissent to your comments!!!!! Joe/KH6JF ************************************************ ************************** * Ham since 1937 HiSchool Sophomore ex W9ZUU, KP4EX, W4FAG, KH6ARG KH6JF * * WW2 Vet since Sep 1940 to just After VJ day. US Signal Corps AACS * ************************************************ ************************** -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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OK Guys. Let me lay it out for you so it is perfectly clear.
"Blue Box Thief" said that ham radio is ending because the internet and cell phones have reduced it to an old guy's hobby, and it contributes nothing of value to the advancement of knowledge or humanity. He also said there is virtually no interest in ham radio by the current generation of kids and young adults. I responded with the following points: 1. The internet cannot be relied upon in an emergency. 2. Cellular telephones cannot be relied upon in an emergency. 3. The telephone system itself cannot be relied upon in an emergency. 4. Packet radio is losing favor for passing messages, but WinLink 2000 is taking its place. 5. APRS is not a waste of spectrum, and is very important for use in tracking emergency vehicles. 6. Ham radio is still very important to the government as evidenced by the millions of dollars being pumped into it by Homeland Security. 7. Young people ARE getting into ham radio as evidenced by the number in our area currently testing for a license. 8. Interest in ham radio is dependent upon how much work the local hams are willing to expend on young people. 9. Ham radio will continue to be important for emergency communications until satellite communications are fully developed. Please point out to me which of the above are theories or involve ranting. Dick - W6CCD -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Dick wrote:
Please point out to me which of the above are theories or involve ranting. Dick - W6CCD Right on!!! Bob N9LVU |
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On 2007-04-12, Nobody wrote:
thanks, bernard Actually, no that is not a bad thing for the masses. It is the end of ham radio for anything other than talking about your guns, cars, or aliments to other old farts. I am one of those old farts who has no illusions about the worth of ham radio in this world of modern reliable instant inexpensive world wide communications. I remember reading about a little project in the 70s in hawaii called aloha-net (maybe?).. this did not *specifically invent* the internet, but I don't think you can say that ham radio has no worth in this world of reliable instat inexpensive comms. granted, the internet is cheap and relatively instant..but as someone who works in mobile telephony, i can tell you when the **** hits the fan, i would have no problem to fall back onto ham radio. you show me a UMTS phone that works 500Km when every radio mast has been ripped t shreds by some storm. Packet Radio has been reduce to APRS and a few DX clusters. I got rid of my packet station in favor of Internet based DX clusters 4 years ago. APRS is a completely useless waste of radio spectrum. The only real use of Packet is as a means of accessing and gathering remote data. However, there is little ham interest in this type of activity due largely to the fact that most sites that have power from the grid also have Telco access which means Internet. Most repeaters are idle now, even during drive time. SoCal used to be jam packed with repeats on 2 meters and 70 cm during drive time. There are more cell phones in use at the TRW and other local swap meets than hand helds. During the evening there is more activity on 2 meter simplex than there is on the 2 meter repeaters. The Internet and Cell phones have reduced ham radio to an old guy's hobby. or a hobby of someone who is interested in communications. to be honest, i dont think getting every kid interested in ham radio would be a good thing. not a "snob" mentality, but the same reason not every skid should learn to play the guitar The Internet provides reliable world wide communications for a low monthly price eliminating the need for ham radio's traffic handling system. Even the slowest dial-up Internet access leaves packet radio in the dust. Chat rooms make random world wide conversations with people possible by anyone without requiring a test to prove that you can memorize a bunch of answers to questions without having to understand anything. Portable Cell sites have eliminated the need for ham radio emergency communications.i I dont agree with you on that. If the cell sites have connectivity to the switching centre by E1/T1, uwave links its quite possible that the infrastructure is dead after a storm/emergency situation. Internet connections in concert with portable cell sites have eliminated the "Health and Welfare" traffic as well. Both portable cell and associated Internet access allow anyone to be trained to handle emergency traffic as well as health and welfare - no license needed. Cell phones have eliminated any of the freeway accident reporting needs formerly provided by hams through repeaters at "drive time". And hea, thats fine. Radio hams is not the answer to everything. Just the same as Internet is not the answer to everything. In summary, Ham Radio has joined the model trains, boats, planes and other old guys hobbies as something to pass time away but which contributes nothing of value to the advancement of knowledge or humanity. No, I can't agree with you here. Soccer (insert sport here)doesn't contribute value to humanity, does that mean soccer is a useless hobby?! There is virtually no interest in ham radio by the current generation of kids and young adults -- hand held radios and repeaters are archaic to them (and rightly so) since they walk around with world wide reliable telco and internet access for pennies a day without having to prove that they are worthy of some arcane title. As someone who uses the Internet every single day on my life, I agree with the last bit. But, also, on the Internet everyone can be an expert (or a dog, depending..). The Internet has its places, but so does amateur radio. ta, bernard |
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On 2007-04-13, Dick wrote:
BIG SNIP Dick, I agree with all you have said above! Some day, when ALL communications are via satellite, and nothing on the ground can be destroyed by flood, fire, earthquake, tornados, terrorist attacks, etc., then amateur radio will lose its value to the country for backup emergency communications. Until then, people will continue to depend upon amateur radio even when they don't realize it. When/If all comms is via satellite, then that will give a target/one place of insecurity in comms. Amateur radio works, in emergency situations, because if its unorganised (in the best sense of tha word!) nature. Much the same way as the Internet was/is intended to operate. The only way to knock out amateur radio would be some EMF pollution (that and kill all the old farts). bernard |
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On 2007-04-14, Dick wrote:
OK Guys. Let me lay it out for you so it is perfectly clear. I think its me that has to lay it out for eberyone. *I* said I had argued that Internet was actually a good thing for Amateur radio: " I remember going to a radio meeting(probably the only meeting i went to!) , dunno, about 7-8 years ago. I argued that Internet was good for ham radio, while alot of people (waay more experienced than I) argued the opposite. It'll kill DX, Packet etc. I argued the opposite. It'll give people opportunity to find information, access to other sides of the world, as if they were in their backgarden. A little bit of both seems to have happened. Is that a bad thing? " "Nobody" then argued the counter, that in fact, amateur radio was dead, and nothing more than an old guys hobby: " Actually, no that is not a bad thing for the masses. It is the end of ham radio for anything other than talking about your guns, cars, or aliments to other old farts. I am one of those old farts who has no illusions about the worth of ham radio in this world of modern reliable instant inexpensive world wide communications. " I then agreed completely with what Dick had said about the value of amateur radio. I did however disagree with him about the demise of amateur radio when all communications go to satellite. Now, to carry on with the conversation.. "Blue Box Thief" said that ham radio is ending because the internet and cell phones have reduced it to an old guy's hobby, and it contributes nothing of value to the advancement of knowledge or humanity. He also said there is virtually no interest in ham radio by the current generation of kids and young adults. I hope this is now fixed. I responded with the following points: 1. The internet cannot be relied upon in an emergency. There will be times when the internet stops working, partially somewhere in the world. 2. Cellular telephones cannot be relied upon in an emergency. Again, pretty much same as point 1. 3. The telephone system itself cannot be relied upon in an emergency. This I might not agree with, but essentally correct. 4. Packet radio is losing favor for passing messages, but WinLink 2000 is taking its place. I don't knmow much about winlink 2000 so i can't say. 5. APRS is not a waste of spectrum, and is very important for use in tracking emergency vehicles. Yes I agree. If this is a waste of spectrum, so is wifi, gps, etc.. 6. Ham radio is still very important to the government as evidenced by the millions of dollars being pumped into it by Homeland Security. This may be the case in America. No idea. 7. Young people ARE getting into ham radio as evidenced by the number in our area currently testing for a license. 8. Interest in ham radio is dependent upon how much work the local hams are willing to expend on young people. 9. Ham radio will continue to be important for emergency communications until satellite communications are fully developed. Here I might disagree with you, as mentioned in my previous post. Please point out to me which of the above are theories or involve ranting. I think : a) yo got mixed up with me and the nobody guy. The "anti" ham radio comments were his not mine. b) the other got you and the nobody guy mixed up..funny that Of course, it could all be a bad case of trolling Dick - W6CCD bernard |
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On 16 Apr 2007 12:05:19 GMT, blue box thief "blue box
wrote: On 2007-04-14, Dick wrote: OK Guys. Let me lay it out for you so it is perfectly clear. I think its me that has to lay it out for everyone. *I* said I had argued that Internet was actually a good thing for Amateur radio: Yes, I mis-quoted you. It was "Nobody" that I was quoting. Sorry about that. My point about satellite communications was not that it would do away with ham radio per se, but that it would make ham radio much less important for emergency communications (ARES/RACES.) When technology advances to the point where all telephones communicate directly with satellites, with no earthbound connection, then the only thing that could knock them out would be to take out the satellites. Much less likely than an earthquake, fire or flood here on earth. I know there are services available today like Iridium and Globalstar, but it won't be practical for everyone until the price gets down to current cell phone costs. Dick - W6CCD -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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On 2007-04-16, Dick wrote:
*I* said I had argued that Internet was actually a good thing for Amateur radio: Yes, I mis-quoted you. It was "Nobody" that I was quoting. Sorry about that. Thats ok. Don't worry about it. My point about satellite communications was not that it would do away with ham radio per se, but that it would make ham radio much less important for emergency communications (ARES/RACES.) When technology advances to the point where all telephones communicate directly with satellites, with no earthbound connection, then the only thing that could knock them out would be to take out the satellites. Much less likely than an earthquake, fire or flood here on earth. I know there are services available today like Iridium and Globalstar, but it won't be practical for everyone until the price gets down to current cell phone costs. and until the available bitrates increases abit last time i saw satellite phone it was something around 64Kbps. |
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blue box thief "blue box wrote:
On 2007-04-13, Dick wrote: BIG SNIP Dick, I agree with all you have said above! Some day, when ALL communications are via satellite, and nothing on the ground can be destroyed by flood, fire, earthquake, tornados, terrorist attacks, etc., then amateur radio will lose its value to the country for backup emergency communications. Until then, people will continue to depend upon amateur radio even when they don't realize it. When/If all comms is via satellite, then that will give a target/one place of insecurity in comms. Exactly. Didn't China just show that it can shoot down satellites? I'm sure the US and Russia can, and possibly the EU as well. |
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On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:26:45 -0700, Jack Hamilton wrote:
blue box thief "blue box wrote: On 2007-04-13, Dick wrote: BIG SNIP Dick, I agree with all you have said above! Some day, when ALL communications are via satellite, and nothing on the ground can be destroyed by flood, fire, earthquake, tornados, terrorist attacks, etc., then amateur radio will lose its value to the country for backup emergency communications. Until then, people will continue to depend upon amateur radio even when they don't realize it. When/If all comms is via satellite, then that will give a target/one place of insecurity in comms. Exactly. Didn't China just show that it can shoot down satellites? I'm sure the US and Russia can, and possibly the EU as well. Yes, but it that happens we won't have to worry about communications. We need to find a deep cave. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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