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Radio Sold Its Soul

"Wall Street has soured on radio. How many investment banks still
actually have a full-time analyst watching this segment? Look to the
falling price of properties. To the few radio deals that get gone
these days. To the pessimism on Wall Street that has put the damper on
the future of radio."

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Radio Sold Its Soul

"Wall Street has soured on radio. How many investment banks still
actually have a full-time analyst watching this segment? Look to the
falling price of properties. To the few radio deals that get gone
these days. To the pessimism on Wall Street that has put the damper on
the future of radio."


There is more money looking for stations than there are stations for sale.
That usually means an increased price. Clear Channel felt the market was
undervaluing its assets and cash flow, so they are going private. Univision
did the same early this year, for over $12 billion. Station prices for
decent facilities have shown no erosion, as proven by the Clear Channel and
CBS spin-offs.


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On Sep 24, 8:50 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"IBOCcrock" wrote in message

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Radio Sold Its Soul


"Wall Street has soured on radio. How many investment banks still
actually have a full-time analyst watching this segment? Look to the
falling price of properties. To the few radio deals that get gone
these days. To the pessimism on Wall Street that has put the damper on
the future of radio."


There is more money looking for stations than there are stations for sale.
That usually means an increased price. Clear Channel felt the market was
undervaluing its assets and cash flow, so they are going private. Univision
did the same early this year, for over $12 billion. Station prices for
decent facilities have shown no erosion, as proven by the Clear Channel and
CBS spin-offs.


Yes, and when the market is "undervaluing" your assets and cash flow,
that's always a good sign....lol

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"Steve" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Sep 24, 8:50 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"IBOCcrock" wrote in message

ups.com...

Radio Sold Its Soul


"Wall Street has soured on radio. How many investment banks still
actually have a full-time analyst watching this segment? Look to the
falling price of properties. To the few radio deals that get gone
these days. To the pessimism on Wall Street that has put the damper on
the future of radio."


There is more money looking for stations than there are stations for
sale.
That usually means an increased price. Clear Channel felt the market was
undervaluing its assets and cash flow, so they are going private.
Univision
did the same early this year, for over $12 billion. Station prices for
decent facilities have shown no erosion, as proven by the Clear Channel
and
CBS spin-offs.


Yes, and when the market is "undervaluing" your assets and cash flow,
that's always a good sign....lol


With the emergence of new technologies not called HD radio, it would appear
that traditional AM and FM broadcast stations are going to have a hard time
maintaining solid listerner bases. When you consider that you can connect
any computer to practically all kinds of Internet stations that is one
avenue. Another is satellite radio systems such as Sirius or XM. Another is
the fact that so many listeners now download music from I Tunes, Napster or
other online services. That is another hit to the bottom line. So instead of
attracting listeners by finding ways to atrract them through the traditional
media, they would rather find a way to digitize the media Ie. HD radio at
which very few people are interested except for a few shills. I live
somewhat near a major metro and I can assure you that I rarely hear anyone
at my vocation talk about HD radio. They are talking about the Ipod, Zune,
or something else. You don't hear all kinds of talk about this radio station
or that station.

Since the telecommunications mergers the local radio spectrum has pretty
much become a joke in that it is now filled with pretty much the same
garbage up and down the band. I had a good laugh last night when the Chicago
Bears-Dallas Cowboys football game was being talked about at the same time
on no less than 4 local Chicago stations on the AM band. Just an observation
from listening.

While I live further downstate, it is noticeable that our local stations are
now pretty much Clear Channel stations with very little local programming
and a great deal of verbatim and silly talk. Very little substance. You have
the occasional small time shock jock at night talking dirty to the kids
about whatever social norm they are trying to bring about. Just good for a
laugh anyway. As far as musical diversity or anything else, you will hear
the same bland playlists of similar songs or the same song going over two
stations at once in the same market. Not really any way to gain listeners.

For the most part, I've stopped listening to local FM because its the same
old morning talk show host talking about some of the most brain dead things.
Rather than enlighten anyone, it is more on the maintainance of the lowest
common denominator. At leat here, if you want to find out information, news,
weather or talk radio you still do have the AM band and local stations that
broadcast the news or features. FM has been pretty much raided by two or
three media conglomerates so you will pretty much be listening to your Ipod
with annoying commercials. It's a shame that we don't have local ownership
and local tastes to our radio culture.

Instead they would rather give us the big media crap that is presented as
news, entertainment, music etc. I've noticed that Chicago, IL and Memphis TN
have a wide variety of still local flavors. In fact, some of the better
stations heard come out of Memphis TN since much of their local stations are
locally owned and operated and the decisions are not made in a corporate
boardroom in NYC, LA or wherever. But instead, they would rather trash a
perfectly good communications medium in AM/FM radio with inexpensive and
often cheap radios (cheap not implied as junk) and instead would give us
more of the same garbage but charge 200 to 400 dollars for a radio.


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"Steve" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Sep 24, 8:50 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"IBOCcrock" wrote in message

ups.com...

Radio Sold Its Soul


"Wall Street has soured on radio. How many investment banks still
actually have a full-time analyst watching this segment? Look to the
falling price of properties. To the few radio deals that get gone
these days. To the pessimism on Wall Street that has put the damper on
the future of radio."


There is more money looking for stations than there are stations for
sale.
That usually means an increased price. Clear Channel felt the market was
undervaluing its assets and cash flow, so they are going private.
Univision
did the same early this year, for over $12 billion. Station prices for
decent facilities have shown no erosion, as proven by the Clear Channel
and
CBS spin-offs.


Yes, and when the market is "undervaluing" your assets and cash flow,
that's always a good sign....lol


This is what has been called the "Viacom Syndrome" where an entire industry
was punished on the Street for the problems of one company in the sector.
Viacom recognized it two years ago and split into two parts; others have
gone private as the value is there, based on revenues and cash flow or
profits, but the market is undervaluing the issues... a perfect time for
private equity to get something for less than it is worth.




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On Sep 24, 8:50 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"IBOCcrock" wrote in message

ups.com...

Radio Sold Its Soul


"Wall Street has soured on radio. How many investment banks still
actually have a full-time analyst watching this segment? Look to the
falling price of properties. To the few radio deals that get gone
these days. To the pessimism on Wall Street that has put the damper on
the future of radio."


There is more money looking for stations than there are stations for sale.
That usually means an increased price. Clear Channel felt the market was
undervaluing its assets and cash flow, so they are going private. Univision
did the same early this year, for over $12 billion. Station prices for
decent facilities have shown no erosion, as proven by the Clear Channel and
CBS spin-offs.


Going private is a retreat strategy - Wall Street has smelled out HD
Radio. CC has gone from a high of $90 to a low of $30/share. Broadcast
radio is dying and HD wil l ust accelerate its death.

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I've noticed that Chicago, IL and Memphis TN
have a wide variety of still local flavors. In fact, some of the better
stations heard come out of Memphis TN since much of their local stations
are locally owned and operated and the decisions are not made in a
corporate boardroom in NYC, LA or wherever.


In Memphis, of the 23 stations with a one share of audience or more (23
stations) two are non-commercial FMs and 3 are locally owned by Flinn
Broadcasting which has 26 stations in the region.

The rest are owned by Clear Channel, Citadel and Entercom, including the top
6 and 8 of the top 10. So much for your theory about Memphis.

In Chicago, 31 stations have a one share or over. Of them, of the top 18,
only one is locally owned, Tribune's WGN (but it is a multi-market and
multi-station owner). #19 is a non-com, and 20 to 25 are not locally owned.
#26 is locally owned and classical, and the remainder of the 31 are not
locally owned except for Moody's religious WMBI (FM).

There goes your theory.


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"Steve" wrote in message

ups.com...





On Sep 24, 8:50 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"IBOCcrock" wrote in message


roups.com...


Radio Sold Its Soul


"Wall Street has soured on radio. How many investment banks still
actually have a full-time analyst watching this segment? Look to the
falling price of properties. To the few radio deals that get gone
these days. To the pessimism on Wall Street that has put the damper on
the future of radio."


There is more money looking for stations than there are stations for
sale.
That usually means an increased price. Clear Channel felt the market was
undervaluing its assets and cash flow, so they are going private.
Univision
did the same early this year, for over $12 billion. Station prices for
decent facilities have shown no erosion, as proven by the Clear Channel
and
CBS spin-offs.


Yes, and when the market is "undervaluing" your assets and cash flow,
that's always a good sign....lol


This is what has been called the "Viacom Syndrome" where an entire industry
was punished on the Street for the problems of one company in the sector.
Viacom recognized it two years ago and split into two parts; others have
gone private as the value is there, based on revenues and cash flow or
profits, but the market is undervaluing the issues... a perfect time for
private equity to get something for less than it is worth.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Yup, the Street is punishing broadcast radio for the HD Radio farce.

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"IBOCcrock" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Sep 24, 8:50 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"IBOCcrock" wrote in message

ups.com...

Radio Sold Its Soul


"Wall Street has soured on radio. How many investment banks still
actually have a full-time analyst watching this segment? Look to the
falling price of properties. To the few radio deals that get gone
these days. To the pessimism on Wall Street that has put the damper on
the future of radio."


There is more money looking for stations than there are stations for
sale.
That usually means an increased price. Clear Channel felt the market was
undervaluing its assets and cash flow, so they are going private.
Univision
did the same early this year, for over $12 billion. Station prices for
decent facilities have shown no erosion, as proven by the Clear Channel
and
CBS spin-offs.


Going private is a retreat strategy - Wall Street has smelled out HD
Radio. CC has gone from a high of $90 to a low of $30/share. Broadcast
radio is dying and HD wil l ust accelerate its death.


HD has nothing to do with radio stock prices... the investment per station
is a tiny drop in corporate capex budgets (we spent about 10 times more in
LA for one morning show studio than putting HD on 5 signals). Many stocks
were very high in 1999 (when CCU peaked in the 80's) and have never
recovered after the dot com crash... it has to do with the markets, not the
companies.

Going private is a future strategy: buy now, when the market undervalues,
and in 3 to 6 years, go public again based on value and profits.


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"IBOCcrock" wrote in message
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On Sep 24, 10:27 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message

ups.com...





On Sep 24, 8:50 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"IBOCcrock" wrote in message


roups.com...


Radio Sold Its Soul


"Wall Street has soured on radio. How many investment banks still
actually have a full-time analyst watching this segment? Look to the
falling price of properties. To the few radio deals that get gone
these days. To the pessimism on Wall Street that has put the damper
on
the future of radio."


There is more money looking for stations than there are stations for
sale.
That usually means an increased price. Clear Channel felt the market
was
undervaluing its assets and cash flow, so they are going private.
Univision
did the same early this year, for over $12 billion. Station prices for
decent facilities have shown no erosion, as proven by the Clear
Channel
and
CBS spin-offs.


Yes, and when the market is "undervaluing" your assets and cash flow,
that's always a good sign....lol


This is what has been called the "Viacom Syndrome" where an entire
industry
was punished on the Street for the problems of one company in the sector.
Viacom recognized it two years ago and split into two parts; others have
gone private as the value is there, based on revenues and cash flow or
profits, but the market is undervaluing the issues... a perfect time for
private equity to get something for less than it is worth.- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -


Yup, the Street is punishing broadcast radio for the HD Radio farce.


Eduardo is really a shill for the corporate media conglomerates. It's pretty
obvious what his agenda is here. It seems that I was pointing the vapid
stupidity of many of the hosts not to mention the lack of quality programs
on the corporate FM jukeboxes.

If you want to listen to real radio, find a station that is locally owned
and operated not some overpriced corporate jukebox owned by Entercom, Clear
Channel, etc. When I make a reference to Memphis it's one of the better
ethnic music cities where LOCALLY owned stations generally exist with local
DJs and local people. Not some satellite feed from some Ivory tower place in
NYC or some other major metro.

Ever notice that in many places overseas, they don't have the media
concentration we have in the US. I'm not talking about governments
controlling broadcasting, I am talking about locally owned stations in the
Carribean, Europe, and other countries. Not this corpratized crap that they
call radio in the US.


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