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Subject: RESULT - Create moderated newsgroup uk.radio.amateur.moderated PASSES 53:22
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RESULT OF CALL FOR VOTES

Summary: Create moderated newsgroup uk.radio.amateur.moderated

Create moderated newsgroup uk.radio.amateur.moderated PASSES 53:22

YES beat NO by a majority of 31 votes. For the proposal to succeed,
there must be 12 more YES votes than NO votes. Accordingly, the proposal
PASSES.

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Voting closed at 23:59:59 GMT, 17th December 2014.

Proponent : "Paul W. Schleck, K3FU"
Votetaker: Graham Drabble

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Distribution:

These results have been posted to the following newsgroups:

uk.net.news.announce
uk.net.news.config
uk.radio.amateur

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The Results:

The results follow below in the following order:

1) Summary of Mail Received During the Voting Period
2) Results
3) Individual Vote Details
4) Votetakers Comments
5) Voting and Appeal Guidelines
6) Rationale
7) Newsgroups Line
8) Proposal

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SUMMARY OF MAIL RECEIVED DURING THE VOTING PERIOD

96 messages were received to the Ballot Request Address, of which:

93 were valid Ballot Requests
2 were a request from an invalid address
1 was a test message sent by the votetaker

83 messages were received to the Voting Address, of which:

76 were valid and counted votes
3 were test messages sent by the votetaker
2 were deemed invalid due not specifying a voting preference (1 revoted)
2 were repeat votes

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RESULTS:

Create moderated newsgroup uk.radio.amateur.moderated

YES : 53 votes
NO : 22 votes
ABSTAIN : 1 vote
Total : 76 votes

YES beat NO by a majority of 31 votes. For the proposal to succeed,
there must be 12 more YES votes than NO votes. Accordingly, the proposal
PASSES.

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INDIVIDUAL VOTE DETAILS


Voted YES (53)
==============

A.Lee alan -at- darkroom,plus,com
Adam Funk a24061a -at- ducksburg,com
Alan Braggins armb -at- chiark,greenend,org,uk
Andrew Marshall g8bur -at- g8bur,demon,co,uk
Andy Burns usenet,feb2014 -at- adslpipe,co,uk
Anthony R. Gold not-for-mail -at- ahjg,co,uk
Anthony Smith cityamateurradio -at- gmail,com
Bob Evans ukramv -at- deleteifspam,lichtech,co,uk
Brian D groups -at- planet3,freeuk,co,uk
Brian Howie brian -at- b-howie,demon,co,uk
Brian Reay g8osn -at- yahoo,co,uk
Charlotte Hanson chirpycharlie -at- msn,com
Chris Doe ct62354 -at- gmail,com
Chronos matt -at- chronos,org,uk
Clive George clive -at- evil-c,co,uk
David mm0xdb -at- gmail,com
David Damerell damerell -at- chiark,greenend,org,uk
David Smith dss -at- lords,com
Graham Nye news -at- thenyes,org,uk
Ian Chard ian -at- chard,org
Ian Clifton ian,clifton -at- chem,ox,ac,uk
Ian Jackson ijackson -at- chiark,greenend,org,uk
Ian Jackson (G3OHX) ianREMOVETHISjackson -at- g3ohx,demon,co,uk
Irv Finkleman finkirv -at- shaw,ca
Jerry Stuckle jstuckle -at- attglobal,net
John john,whittingtonpain -at- gmail,com
Jonathan Amery jdamery+uram2+vote -at- ysolde,ucam,org
Joshua Wallace j,s,wallace504 -at- googlemail,com
Kirsten Watson kjwatson -at- chiark,greenend,org,uk
MICHAEL COLE mr,m,t,cole -at- gmail,com
Marc Wilson marc -at- cleopatra,co,uk
Martin Connolly martin,connolly -at- kcl,ac,uk
Matthew Vernon matthew -at- debian,org
Mike Tomlinson mike -at- jasper,org,uk
Paul W. Schleck pschleck -at- novia,net
Peter Parry peter -at- wpp,ltd,uk
Phil Lee phil -at- lee-family,me,uk
Richard Bird richardbird1953 -at- gmail,com
Richard Kettlewell rjk -at- greenend,org,uk
Roger Bell_West roger+urcm201511 -at- firedrake,org
Roger Hayter roger -at- hayter,org
Rusty Hinge tony,anson -at- girolle,co,uk
Stephen Thomas Cole usenet -at- stephenthomascole,com
The Nomad M0HGU -at- dctower,co,uk
Thomas Lee tfl -at- psp,co,uk
Tony tony -at- darkstorm,co,uk
Tony Finch dot -at- dotat,at
Trevor Parker ptrevor49 -at- yahoo,com
Victor Meldrew vicmeld -at- gmail,com
Wm tcnw81 -at- tarrcity,demon,co,uk
crn crn -at- netunix,com
g8dgc aka Sn!pe snipe -at- notforspam,fsnet,co,uk
mm0fmf mm0fmf -at- hotmail,com

Voted NO (22)
=============

A. non Eyemouse anoneyemouse -at- eml,cc
Barry Salter votes2015 -at- southie,me,uk
Brian Brian -at- bjforster,force9,co,uk
Clive D.W. Feather clive -at- davros,org
Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI g3vki -at- turner-smith,co,uk
Iain Young G7III g7iii -at- g7iii,net
JT jtsspamtrapaddress -at- gmail,com
John the R-T john-the-r-t -at- gmx,co,uk
Llymru llymru -at- gmail,com
Mike Fleming mike -at- tauzero,co,uk
Molly Mockford uram2 -at- mollymockford,me,uk
Nick nick,spam -at- Yahoo,co,uk
Paul Cummins paulcummins -at- tiscali,co,uk
Pedt laughs -at- manygiggl,es
Sara Merriman sarakirk -at- blueyonder,co,uk
Scion swmine123 -at- gmail,com
Spike Aero,Spike -at- mail,com
Steve g8izy -at- blueyonder,co,uk
gi8lbp gi8lbp -at- gi4gov,plus,com
mw3qro mw3qro -at- gmail,com
paul {voter} -at- watman,clara,co,uk
roger merriman roger -at- sarlet,com

Voted ABSTAIN (1)
=================

Brian Morrison bdm -at- fenrir,org,uk

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Votetakers Comments:

One of the busiest group creation votes for quite some time. Early
voting was busy but fairly straightforward. A couple of queries to me
from people struggling to get a ballot, one needed to whitelist the
ballot request address in their anti-spam, the other was sending the
ballot request to the wrong address.

Two people submitted ballots without any preference expressed in the
voting box. Both had their votes returned with an explanation that
these would not count as a valid vote. One subsequently revoted, no
reply or revote was seen from the other.

Unfortunately there have been many posts advertising this vote almost
none of which have been truly neutral in tone and in some cases
explicitly encouraging votes in a particular direction. The first of
these that I am aware of was posted to uk.rec.sheds at 22:52 on 22nd
November and a further bunch posted to uk.people.silversurfers,
uk.politics.misc, uk.rec.cycling, uk.rec.gardening, uk.rec.motorcycles
and uk.telecom.broadband on 26th November. It is my firm belief (and
the supporting evidence for this has been provided to UKV and the
Committee) that many of the second bunch were not actually attempts to
solicit votes but a deliberate attempt to sabotage the vote. In these
circumstances it would seem counter-productive to automatically annul
the vote and so I have attempted to produce a result in spite of this.

It is worth noting at this point that had voting finished immediately
prior to the first post above the percentage in favour would have
differed by less than 4% from the final margin and the result would not
have changed. The fact that the result did not change as a result of
the postings, there were postings both for and against the proposal (if
taken at face value) and that the overall percentage in favour did not
change significantly leads me to believe that, even if the exact
numbers have been influenced by the posts, these are a fair and valid
reflection of the views of the electorate. It is also worth noting at
this point that the moves over the past few years to improve privacy by
both the major NSPs and the major email providers make voter validation
much harder.

uk.* voting has always relied on the goodwill of the users to put a
fair vote before any self interest. Their are plenty of opportunities
during the RFD process to bring proposals to the attention of other
groups and to either encourage the proponent to include those groups in
subsequent RFDs or to encourage readers to watch uk.net.news.announce
for the official CFV. Both of these are entirely legitimate. However
once the CFV has started all users have the duty to help ensure a fair
vote, any advertising must therefore be strictly neutral and should
point people at the uk.net.news.* discussion / CFV rather than directly
at the ballot request address.

Finally I'd like to thank all those who bought the above posts to my
attention. In particular a special mention should go to the proponent
who, despite being aware that there existance could lead to the
cancellation of the vote, did email UKV with the details of those he
was aware of.

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This vote was conducted by a neutral third party member of UKVoting.
UKVoting is a group of independent votetakers who count votes on CFVs on
behalf of the uk.* hierarchy and other 3rd parties. The rules under
which this vote is taken are posted regularly to uk.net.news.announce or
can be found at the following URL: http://www.usenet.org.uk/voting.html

The UKVoting web pages can be found at http://www.ukvoting.org.uk/

There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted to
uk.net.news.announce. Allegations of irregularity should be sent to
control (at) usenet (dot) org (dot) uk.

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RATIONALE

uk.radio.amateur.moderated is a moderated alternative to the existing
uk.radio.amateur newsgroup. Over the past several years, the traffic on
uk.radio.amateur has become largely flame wars, spam, and personal
ad-hominem discussions of past, present, and future violations and
violators, having little or no bearing on amateur radio. Polite
requests by serious group posters to the offenders to refrain from such
behaviour have not resulted in elimination of such behaviour and has in
fact resulted in another series of flame wars. As a result, many
knowledgeable and concerned posters in uk.radio.amateur have ceased
being active therein.

It is expected that offering a moderated group will persuade those who
formerly participated to resume their participation in rational,
focused, and informed discussion. Proper moderation will enable
serious postings to the group to remain on topic while not limiting who
can voice opinions or what opinions can be voiced.

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NEWSGROUPS LINE

uk.radio.amateur.moderated Amateur radio and related matters (Moderated)

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CHARTER
uk.radio.amateur.moderated

uk.radio.amateur.moderated is for the discussion of amateur ("ham")
radio, also known as the Amateur Radio Service, in the United Kingdom.
Possible topics include past, present, and future operating practices;
events; contests; past, present, and potential-future rules; power
limitations; authorised frequencies; allowed modes and band plans (or
other gentlemen's agreements) that govern how we are to operate; what
constitutes the acceptable operation of amateur stations.

This newsgroup is only intended to supplement, not supercede, any other
amateur radio newsgroups.

General communications law or government policy of various government
agencies is also on-topic, as long as the discussion relates to amateur
radio. Examples would be emergency communications, local antenna
restrictions, and property deed restrictions applying to operation of
amateur radio stations.

Discussion of other types of radio, such as Citizens Band, Broadcast,
other Personal Radio Services, Commercial or Private Land Mobile, and
Marine or Aviation services are off-topic, except when *directly*
related to amateur radio. Similarly, discussion of methods violating
applicable communications law and regulations concerning radio equipment
or operations are off-topic.

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