Multi polarization antenna

What is the best antenna for use with all circular, horizontal,
vertical and other polarizations without drastic fall of in gain, and
without changes in angular position and feed point via switches e.t.c
at the tower top?

Art Unwin wrote:
What is the best antenna for use with all circular, horizontal,
vertical and other polarizations without drastic fall of in gain, and
without changes in angular position and feed point via switches e.t.c
at the tower top?

Maybe the quadrifilar helix.

tom
K0TAR

On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 17:50:18 -0800 (PST), Art Unwin
wrote:

What is the best antenna for use with all circular, horizontal,
vertical and other polarizations without drastic fall of in gain, and
without changes in angular position and feed point via switches e.t.c
at the tower top?


Frequency range?

w.

On Nov 6, 4:23*am, Helmut Wabnig hwabnig@ .- --- -. dotat wrote:
On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 17:50:18 -0800 (PST), Art Unwin

wrote:
What is the best antenna for use with all circular, horizontal,
vertical and other polarizations without drastic fall of in gain, and
without changes in angular position and feed point via switches e.t.c
at the tower top?

Frequency range?

w.

10 thru 160 metres amateur bands!

On Nov 5, 10:11*pm, tom wrote:
Art Unwin wrote:
What is the best antenna for use with all circular, horizontal,
vertical and other polarizations without drastic fall of in gain, and
without changes in angular position and feed point via switches e.t.c
at the tower top?

Maybe the quadrifilar helix.

tom
K0TAR

That is made for a single circulation signal only.

On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 05:40:21 -0800 (PST), Art Unwin
wrote:

On Nov 6, 4:23*am, Helmut Wabnig hwabnig@ .- --- -. dotat wrote:
On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 17:50:18 -0800 (PST), Art Unwin

wrote:
What is the best antenna for use with all circular, horizontal,
vertical and other polarizations without drastic fall of in gain, and
without changes in angular position and feed point via switches e.t.c
at the tower top?

Frequency range?

w.

10 thru 160 metres amateur bands!


OK, here is my answer:

A SHORT PIECE OF WIRE.

greets,
w.

On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:23:30 +0100, Helmut Wabnig hwabnig@ .- --- -.
dotat wrote:

On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 17:50:18 -0800 (PST), Art Unwin
wrote:

What is the best antenna for use with all circular, horizontal,
vertical and other polarizations without drastic fall of in gain, and
without changes in angular position and feed point via switches e.t.c
at the tower top?


Frequency range?

w.

The eyes: 430 THz - 750 THz

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Art Unwin wrote:
On Nov 5, 10:11 pm, tom wrote:
Art Unwin wrote:
What is the best antenna for use with all circular, horizontal,
vertical and other polarizations without drastic fall of in gain, and
without changes in angular position and feed point via switches e.t.c
at the tower top?
Maybe the quadrifilar helix.

tom
K0TAR

That is made for a single circulation signal only.

Then it's a point driven against ground that you need. Or a 2 point
dipole. Either one with a lossless transmission line would work.

That's the only thing that will do all you want and do both RHC and LHC
polarizations and do it at all frequencies. I have to assume you want
all frequencies since you haven't responded on that question.

And it will have a very unusable impedance at all frequencies. But if
you can do the lossless line, you are probably covered on the lossless
tuner, too.

Good luck. You want everything, and you can't have it.

And "single circulation" is not the proper terminology (as usual),
although I am somewhat sure about what you meant.

tom
K0TAR

Richard Clark wrote:
On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:23:30 +0100, Helmut Wabnig hwabnig@ .- --- -.
dotat wrote:

On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 17:50:18 -0800 (PST), Art Unwin
wrote:

What is the best antenna for use with all circular, horizontal,
vertical and other polarizations without drastic fall of in gain, and
without changes in angular position and feed point via switches e.t.c
at the tower top?

Frequency range?

w.

The eyes: 430 THz - 750 THz

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Not bad.

tom
K0TAR

On Nov 6, 9:10*pm, tom wrote:
Art Unwin wrote:
On Nov 5, 10:11 pm, tom wrote:
Art Unwin wrote:
What is the best antenna for use with all circular, horizontal,
vertical and other polarizations without drastic fall of in gain, and
without changes in angular position and feed point via switches e.t.c
at the tower top?
Maybe the quadrifilar helix.

tom
K0TAR

That is made for a single circulation signal only.

Then it's a point driven against ground that you need. *Or a 2 point
dipole. *Either one with a lossless transmission line would work.

That's the only thing that will do all you want and do both RHC and LHC
polarizations and do it at all frequencies. *I have to assume you want
all frequencies since you haven't responded on that question.

And it will have a very unusable impedance at all frequencies. *But if
you can do the lossless line, you are probably covered on the lossless
tuner, too.

Good luck. *You want everything, and you can't have it.

And "single circulation" is not the proper terminology (as usual),
although I am somewhat sure about what you meant.

tom
K0TAR

I wanted to know if there was such a radiator in the system that could
do such a thing and apparently there is not! I am working on one that
will do it but I wanted to be sure if I was
not reinventing the wheel.
My antenna is based on using something like a ladder line only with
the wires closer together to provide a lower impedance. If you close
both ends of such a line and wind a helix with it you can get a
radiator beam that will do all the things I suggested except the "all
frequency" part which requires further additions .
If you have two open wires in parallel and slide a cross connector up
and down the two wires the resonant frequency changes dependent on the
length where the jumper is.
Thus, if you literally make the ladder line into a true ladder by
fixing a lot of conductive cross rungs on the ladder, the applied
current will cross over at the point that the circuit is resonant.
This way the radiator will get the "all frequency" attributes.
Such a radiator becomes a much physically smaller radiator than is
being used today.
Why not try it.?... It is the proverbial free lunch!