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Old October 9th 04, 04:56 PM
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In comparison to the other SW hosts, Chuck Harder is a moderate
lunatic-fringe, end-of-the-world, Armageddonist, survivalist KOOK. He's
hardly in the big league of false scary predictions with Brother Stair, Alex
Jones, James Lloyd, Texe Marrs or any of a dozen SWers. Chuck Harder's
scary stories are too infrequent, and carry too little impact for him to run
with the big dogs. Chuck Harder is a single shot .22 in a world of .50
caliber machine guns.


Very well put...which raises a rather scary point about Chuck Harder.
Unlike the "shortwave howlers," Chuck has considerable media
experience, mostly acquired in Tampa, FL - where he was in consumer
advocacy, advertising, local radio, TV, recording, production, sales,
promotion, and public relations - from 1963 to 1991.
His media experience shows up in his daily delivery - smooth,
polished, non-threatening, authoritative.
The bad news? First (apolgies to Mayor Pam Iorio), Tampa is a very
conservative, provincial town whose politics were molded by
anti-Communist Cuban immigrants. Far-Right groups such as the Liberty
Lobby and the John Birch Society have traditionally done well in the
Tampa area; during the (over-hyped) militia craze in the mid-1990's
following the Oklahoma City bombing, it was revealed that dozens,
perhaps hundreds, of such groups existed in the Tampa metro area - a
far greater concentration than other metro areas in the U.S. Upshot?
Unlike other major U.S. cities, there was no moderating factor in
Tampa to shape Chuck's political opinions, and he steadly lurched to
the far Right until he signed on with the Liberty Lobby in the late
1980's.
Yes, Chuck is a moderate compared to the "shorwave howlers," but I
still feel he shares much of their hard-Right, nationalistic,
anti-everything political outlook. In other words, if you were to have
a Bush/Kerry-style debate between Chuck and Texe Marrs, for instance,
concentrating on domestic and foreign policy, the two would agree much
more than disagree.
Remember, Chuck opens his mike to crazies such as Dr. Dennis Cuddy and
Craig Winn, as well as meat-and-potatoes centrists and conservatives
such as Clifford May, Michelle Malkin, and Josh Block of the
American-Israeli Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC).
Those are my thoughts, for what they're worth. Again, apologies to the
folks down in Tampa.

Dan Weir
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Old October 13th 04, 06:01 PM
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Very well put...which raises a rather scary point about Chuck Harder.
Unlike the "shortwave howlers," Chuck has considerable media
experience, mostly acquired in Tampa, FL - where he was in consumer
advocacy, advertising, local radio, TV, recording, production, sales,
promotion, and public relations - from 1963 to 1991.


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I don't know if broadcasting from the Tampa area has effected Chuck Harder's
political outlook much or not. Rush Limbaugh had his biggest early sucess
in California and he went national from New York City.

I think Chuck's problem in competing in the media is his show's lack of
focus. He oftentimes talks of consumer/business topics, but not like Bruce
Williams. Politics comes up, but not like on the Rush Limbaugh show. Chuck
works around the fringes, but he doesn't do weird science like Art Bell.
It's tough to develop a loyal audience when subject matter shifts around so
much. Some listeners will tune out at the mention of one subject or
another. I think Chuck talks about what he wants to talk about, and doesn't
have a good feel for his intended audience.


Yes, Chuck is a moderate compared to the "shorwave howlers," but I
still feel he shares much of their hard-Right, nationalistic,
anti-everything political outlook. In other words, if you were to have
a Bush/Kerry-style debate between Chuck and Texe Marrs, for instance,
concentrating on domestic and foreign policy, the two would agree much
more than disagree.
Remember, Chuck opens his mike to crazies such as Dr. Dennis Cuddy and
Craig Winn, as well as meat-and-potatoes centrists and conservatives
such as Clifford May, Michelle Malkin, and Josh Block of the
American-Israeli Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC).
Those are my thoughts, for what they're worth. Again, apologies to the
folks down in Tampa.

Dan Weir


That's Chuck's problem. His shows are a little bit of this, a little bit of
that. I think much of his audience has found hosts who more consistantly
talk about what they want to hear. Chuck's weird science fans went to Coast
to Coast. His government conspiracy types went to Alex Jones. If Chuck had
a following in the antisemite community, I'm sure they've gone to the likes
of Pastor Peter J. Peters by now. These guys at least know who their
audience is, and what they want to hear.

Ironically, Chuck Harder was hurt by the boom in domestic broadcasting.
There's alot more people out there with radio shows and alot more room for
narrow focus shows. Some of those guys are pretty good. It's like the
famous cartoon in which a father is walking with his distraught, baseball
gloved son, who says "I was throwing a no-hitter, 'till the big kids got out
of school".

Frank Dresser


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Old October 15th 04, 03:37 PM
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I think Chuck's problem in competing in the media is his show's lack of
focus. He oftentimes talks of consumer/business topics, but not like Bruce
Williams. Politics comes up, but not like on the Rush Limbaugh show. Chuck
works around the fringes, but he doesn't do weird science like Art Bell.
It's tough to develop a loyal audience when subject matter shifts around so
much. Some listeners will tune out at the mention of one subject or
another. I think Chuck talks about what he wants to talk about, and doesn't
have a good feel for his intended audience.


Recapping all this, it's obvious to me that Chuck Harder went in way
over his head when he decided to take all his money and start his
nationally syndicated "For The People" show back in March 1987. He
DOES disregard his audience when it comes to "hot" topics, endlessly
repeating his economic-nationalism mantra, often using the exact same
words over and over again ("you can't do business with people who
don't have any money"; "I have seen reality, Doctor, and I don't like
what I see"; "NAFTA and GATT have destroyed this nation"; "when people
have nothing left to lose, they have nothing left to lose"; and so
on).
Chuck has a wonderful radio voice (at least in my opinion), and he's
good at tinkering, but his politics are a mishmash of vague
anti-government hatred, ignorance, trite phrases, misunderstandings,
gaffes, and non-sequiturs.
Chuck would do well to hang up his mike, and go back to commercials,
voice-overs, specials, and what not. And he MUST stay away from ANY
literary venture, because he's an atrocious writer. For proof of that,
just go to his Web site and click on some of the links at the top. For
all you English teachers, copy editors, pundits, authors and anyone
else who makes a living with words, please disregard this advice -
Chuck's literacy deficit will drive you crazy. But if you must go
there, be forewarned!
This may sound odd, but my hat's off to IDT/Liberty for putting up
with this guy, and living under the cloud of a potential ADA-inspired
lawsuit from him. I have a feeling that IDT/Liberty would rather Chuck
not be on their network, since there are thousands and thousands of
much more well-qualified, intelligent, glib talk show hosts out there
who're champing at the bit to take over Chuck's slot. And I venture to
guess that there are many more fed-up listeners like me who are sick
and tired of Chuck's bizarre, never-ending resurrection of Ross Perot.
Probably the best take on Chuck Harder is from another radio talk show
host, "King Daevid" MacKenzie-Aachen (I THINK that's his full name -
I'm terrible with names). KDMA basically says that Chuck is an
incompetent boob who can't argue his way out of a wet paper bag. I
tend to agree. And I've never heard KDMA on the radio; I've just
picked up on his comments on the Internet. But I'll bet a dollar to a
doughnut that KDMA is a damn sight better than Chuck Harder. Wonder if
IDT/Liberty is talking to KDMA? Hmmmm...
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Old October 17th 04, 06:05 AM
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endlessly
repeating his economic-nationalism mantra, often using the exact same
words over and over again


The ugly truth - and the reason I, and most American Jews - despise
Chuck Harder, is that Chuck's brand of economic nationalism is taken
straight out of "Mein Kampf."


If that's true, then American Jews are just about the only people paying any
attention to Chuck Harder anymore!


I've read this tome, and when it doesn't talk about the world Jewish
conspiracy, it lays the foundation for what we would call "economic
nationalism" today: industrial policy, protectionism, keeping out
foreign goods, equity stripping, and so on.


I've never read the book. I do know that Nazi Germany was hardly a worker's
paradise. Most of the industry was monopolized and unions were banned.
Germans were putting in alot more hours on the job than other depression era
workers, almost as many hours as slaves.

I do know that Chuck Harder had alot of confidence in central planning, as
long as that central planning was done by the right people or good people or
smart people or people who are right. I didn't make a connection between
Chuck and Nazi economics. I figured he just had a far more common mushy
headed faith in planning by the right people.

http://www.mises.org/TRTS.htm


No one I can think of touts this type of political platform like Chuck
Harder does.


It depends how far you stretch the comparison. Lyndon LaRouche doesn't seem
all that different.

No surprise there, since the "buzz" amongst American Jews
is that Chuck's father was a member of the Chicago National Socialist
Party.


Frank Collin's father was a Holocaust survivor! Maybe Chicago Nazis are
even stranger than most.

So, does this mean that Chuck Harder is a Nazi sympathizer? You be the
judge!


I think Chuck Harder's show is a reflection of Chuck Harder. A little
confused and out of focus. I don't think Chuck bothers much with reflecting
on human nature, and doubt he's ever noticed that power goes, not to the
good, but to the strong.

Frank Dresser


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It depends how far you stretch the comparison. Lyndon LaRouche doesn't seem
all that different.


Hmmm...did you just (accidentally, perhaps) prove my point - that
Chuck Harder is a crypto-fascist?

Most Jewish groups consider LaRouche a classical anti-Semite; if he's
not all that different from Chuck Harder, what does that say about
Chuck Harder?

Seems to me that my contention that Chuck Harder is an anti-Semite - a
charge that elicited a threat from Chuck to throw me in jail - is,
after all, correct.

Sometimes those who are right must pay with their liberties and
freedoms - and sometimes their lives. I almost did. So did those in
Auschwitcz, Sobibor, Bergen-Belsen, and Treblinka!
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Hmmm...did you just (accidentally, perhaps) prove my point - that
Chuck Harder is a crypto-fascist?


Chuck Harder is a mushy headed populist. Populists have always blamed their
problems on somebody else. Those somebody elses could be bankers, railroad
owners, Jews, foreigners and city slickers.

Chuck Harder isn't tough enough to be a real fascist.



Most Jewish groups consider LaRouche a classical anti-Semite; if he's
not all that different from Chuck Harder, what does that say about
Chuck Harder?


LaRouche's economic plans are somewhat similiar, but more extreme than
Harder's.

Seems to me that my contention that Chuck Harder is an anti-Semite - a
charge that elicited a threat from Chuck to throw me in jail - is,
after all, correct.


Either Harder or LaRouche might be antisemites, I can't really argue that
point. Antisemitism isn't one of my sensitivities. However, I don't think
either LaRouche or Harder would make radio's top 10 antisemite list. Maybe
not the top 100. The antisemitism of Pastor Peter Peters and Jackie Patru
is far clearer.


Sometimes those who are right must pay with their liberties and
freedoms - and sometimes their lives. I almost did. So did those in
Auschwitcz, Sobibor, Bergen-Belsen, and Treblinka!



Frank Dresser


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Chuck Harder is a mushy headed populist.


Another point I agree with you on ... for instance, consider the
following from Chuck's Web site (I am that "nut" he's talking about
here):

'Due to my warnings about losing jobs and factories caused one
"Strange" man (who I think has strange ties and wanted NAFTA and GATT)
went on a letter-writing campaign to newspapers and trade magazines
about me. As he could not debate me on the issues, instead he called
me "anti-Semitic" and the media bought it without even checking facts.
Little did he know that my Grandparents escaped from Germany just in
time to avoid Hitler's death camps. My other Grandparents are French,
English/American Indian. Like the Media that would not debate the
issue with Ross Perot but instead zeroed in on his ears, haircuts,
etc. Truth about the "behind the scenes destruction of our country is
hardly covered in the media that are tied in to those who benefit by
stripping the equity from the USA. Back then even CNN, The Denver
Post, The Nation, The Washington Post and others all did hit pieces on
me being a crank. And then when AL GORE LIED on national TV in a
debate saying that SMOOT-HAWLEY that stopped free trade caused the
depression, the stupid media lapped it up. But, that was a BIG LIE.
The only problem they had is NO MEDIA CHECKED the facts for if they
did, they would have found out that Smoot-Hawley act did not become
law until well after the Depression was years under-way.

But, that's America and our "hand-out" and "Don't check the facts'
media.

It was FDR World War II and CCC camps that re-started our economy and
since then, "FREE TRADE" has destroyed our nation and we're a few
years off from national bankruptcy. Suddenly the big media is getting
the picture.

Lou Dobbs at CNN sounds like me 12 years ago. Don't believe me? Look
at the price of Gold and what the EURO used to cost and what it costs
now. We have finally almost won "The race to the bottom" that I
warned about 12 years ago.

Oh, even TALKERS MAGAZINE published a bogus "anti-Semitic" letter from
the nut who hated me because I exposed Clinton, NAFTA and GATT but
TALKERS did not even call me to check the facts. Other media did
similar things when this man wrote them and all the others have
apologized and retracted. But, it hurt. Today that same "nut" has
found out that he was wrong and leaves me alone. But, as my
PUNISHMENT, TALKERS removed me from their HOT 100, but, life goes on.'

Reading this, those cute, cuddly Moe Howard epithets come to mind re
Chuck: "Lamebrain!" "Numbskull!" "Unskilled labor!" "Every time you
think, you weaken the nation!" "Puddin' head!"

Perhaps the one, singular explanation for all of this back-and-forth
banter (really, I don't mind it) is that Chuck Harder is a moron.
Assming this assessment is correct, he was able to shield his mental
deficiency for almost three decades in Tampa, FL, but when he went
nationwide, he could no longer do so. Hence his troubles that today
have left him with practically nothing.

Dan Weir
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