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"recalcitrant ham op" wrote in message ... "opcom" wrote in message ... This was posted to ARLI, I don't know how many subscribe, but in spite of the numerous comments against BPL (transmitting wideband internet data over power lines, which will destroy the HF radio spectrum), the FCC seems disposed to encourage it anyway. evil! evil! just look up BPL on the web. T the noise from the radiated signals trashed the ham bands thoroughly. I guess you never heard that money talks and bull**** walks eh? Did you *REALLY THINK* that a couple hundred aging HF operating tightwad ham radio operators are going to stop an emerging technology that will conceivably network home appliances to the internet and be worth $BILLIONS$ in potential revenue ?? Fortunately, our HF bands are interleave in between allocation for aeronautical mobile, maritime mobile, DoD, private fixed service, short wave broadcasting, etc. I do not believe that we will be anywhere near close to being alone in this battle. Carl - wk3c |
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What's that got to do with BPL???
Keith wrote: On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 00:31:17 GMT, opcom in wrote: What have you done for Amateur Radio today? --^^--------------------------------------------------------------- The question is what has the ARRL done to the future of Ham Radio by hanging on to the Morse Code Requirement? It has killed it. -- Best Regards, Keith http://kilowatt-radio.org/ ========================================== = http://slrn.org SLRN 0.9.8.0 is out. = ========================================== |
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What's that got to do with BPL???
Keith wrote: On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 00:31:17 GMT, opcom in wrote: What have you done for Amateur Radio today? --^^--------------------------------------------------------------- The question is what has the ARRL done to the future of Ham Radio by hanging on to the Morse Code Requirement? It has killed it. -- Best Regards, Keith http://kilowatt-radio.org/ ========================================== = http://slrn.org SLRN 0.9.8.0 is out. = ========================================== |
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Right on --
retired merchant marine R/O N4GL GeorgeF wrote: recalcitrant ham op wrote: Did you *REALLY THINK* that a couple hundred aging HF operating tightwad ham radio operators are going to stop an emerging technology that will conceivably network home appliances to the internet and be worth $BILLIONS$ in potential revenue ?? Hams are the least of the problems. There are many other users of the HF range who will be effected other than hams. Here's just a few: US Coast Guard makes high use of HF All branches of the military Many long distance marine comms are still on HF TransAtlantic and Pacific Air Traffic Control Comms are HF (Imagine if the ATC ground station can't hear an Aircraft call is position). And that's just a few services who are heavy uses of HF. George http://www.MilAirComms.com With DSL who needs BPL? |
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Right on --
retired merchant marine R/O N4GL GeorgeF wrote: recalcitrant ham op wrote: Did you *REALLY THINK* that a couple hundred aging HF operating tightwad ham radio operators are going to stop an emerging technology that will conceivably network home appliances to the internet and be worth $BILLIONS$ in potential revenue ?? Hams are the least of the problems. There are many other users of the HF range who will be effected other than hams. Here's just a few: US Coast Guard makes high use of HF All branches of the military Many long distance marine comms are still on HF TransAtlantic and Pacific Air Traffic Control Comms are HF (Imagine if the ATC ground station can't hear an Aircraft call is position). And that's just a few services who are heavy uses of HF. George http://www.MilAirComms.com With DSL who needs BPL? |
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Here's what we do --- we built a (legal) KW rig into a van, install a
vertical- radiating antenna, cut out the roof and replace it with a fiberglass sheet. Drive directly underneath a power line with BPL running. Run lots of QSO's, and have at it. We're legal. Induced RF just might make them think twice about it. Yes, I know Ashcrofts boys are reading this --- Hi, muthers -- I live at the callbook address. Bring some beer when you come visiting. N4GL Frank Dresser wrote: "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message link.net... Sure we will. All we need to is put up KW level beacon stations. End of BPL. Dan/W4NTI Why would that end BPL? Frank Dresser |
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Here's what we do --- we built a (legal) KW rig into a van, install a
vertical- radiating antenna, cut out the roof and replace it with a fiberglass sheet. Drive directly underneath a power line with BPL running. Run lots of QSO's, and have at it. We're legal. Induced RF just might make them think twice about it. Yes, I know Ashcrofts boys are reading this --- Hi, muthers -- I live at the callbook address. Bring some beer when you come visiting. N4GL Frank Dresser wrote: "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message link.net... Sure we will. All we need to is put up KW level beacon stations. End of BPL. Dan/W4NTI Why would that end BPL? Frank Dresser |
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"Walter Treftz" wrote in message ... Here's what we do --- we built a (legal) KW rig into a van, install a vertical- radiating antenna, cut out the roof and replace it with a fiberglass sheet. Drive directly underneath a power line with BPL running. Run lots of QSO's, and have at it. We're legal. Induced RF just might make them think twice about it. Yes, I know Ashcrofts boys are reading this --- Hi, muthers -- I live at the callbook address. Bring some beer when you come visiting. N4GL Do you mean the way CBers made channel 5 unwatchable 25 years ago? I don't know much about BPL, but I think the TV analogy might hold. Given the bandwidth of BPL, there must be dozens, maybe hundreds of channels on the powerline. Can every one, or most of them, be wiped out? I'm thinking somebody came up with some pretty robust ways to deal with interference. But what if it does stop BPL? BPL isn't being backed because it's a technically elegant system. It's being backed by politics. Rural areas were critically important in the last Presidential election, and any candidiate would love to say something like "MY OPPONENT IS STOPPING ONE FORM OF HIGH SPEED INTERNET DISTRIBUTION ON BEHALF OF HIS PALS IN THE TELECOMMUNCATIONS INDUSTRY, BUT I PROMISE TO BRING IT IN, RIGHT ON YOUR POWER LINE, AS SOON AS I'M ELECTED!!" Of course, that would be a political misrepresentation, but politicans get away with worse every day. Politics turns into a numbers game. How many politicians or bureaucrats are saying anything negative about this goofy scheme? Politicians may not know physics, but they do know how to count. Frank Dresser |
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"Walter Treftz" wrote in message ... Here's what we do --- we built a (legal) KW rig into a van, install a vertical- radiating antenna, cut out the roof and replace it with a fiberglass sheet. Drive directly underneath a power line with BPL running. Run lots of QSO's, and have at it. We're legal. Induced RF just might make them think twice about it. Yes, I know Ashcrofts boys are reading this --- Hi, muthers -- I live at the callbook address. Bring some beer when you come visiting. N4GL Do you mean the way CBers made channel 5 unwatchable 25 years ago? I don't know much about BPL, but I think the TV analogy might hold. Given the bandwidth of BPL, there must be dozens, maybe hundreds of channels on the powerline. Can every one, or most of them, be wiped out? I'm thinking somebody came up with some pretty robust ways to deal with interference. But what if it does stop BPL? BPL isn't being backed because it's a technically elegant system. It's being backed by politics. Rural areas were critically important in the last Presidential election, and any candidiate would love to say something like "MY OPPONENT IS STOPPING ONE FORM OF HIGH SPEED INTERNET DISTRIBUTION ON BEHALF OF HIS PALS IN THE TELECOMMUNCATIONS INDUSTRY, BUT I PROMISE TO BRING IT IN, RIGHT ON YOUR POWER LINE, AS SOON AS I'M ELECTED!!" Of course, that would be a political misrepresentation, but politicans get away with worse every day. Politics turns into a numbers game. How many politicians or bureaucrats are saying anything negative about this goofy scheme? Politicians may not know physics, but they do know how to count. Frank Dresser |
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I posted something similar to this in a different newsgroup, but I wonder if
based on the logic that the interference could also affect other services such as emergency services, aircraft frequencies, and even military frequency allocations, it would seem to me to be important to persuade those groups to pressure the FCC against the whole BPL thing..... -- Ryan, KC8PMX FF1-FF2-MFR-(pending NREMT-B!) --. --- -.. ... .- -. --. . .-.. ... .- .-. . ..-. .. .-. . ..-. ... --. .... - . .-. ... "recalcitrant ham op" wrote in message ... "opcom" wrote in message ... This was posted to ARLI, I don't know how many subscribe, but in spite of the numerous comments against BPL (transmitting wideband internet data over power lines, which will destroy the HF radio spectrum), the FCC seems disposed to encourage it anyway. evil! evil! just look up BPL on the web. T the noise from the radiated signals trashed the ham bands thoroughly. I guess you never heard that money talks and bull**** walks eh? Did you *REALLY THINK* that a couple hundred aging HF operating tightwad ham radio operators are going to stop an emerging technology that will conceivably network home appliances to the internet and be worth $BILLIONS$ in potential revenue ?? Jeezehus-H-christ...get F-N real !! |
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