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Old May 22nd 05, 09:26 PM
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HAARP is far from benign, as the following "factoids" suggest...

An adult's head will resonate at a frequency between 350 and 400 MHz
(megahertz). Being smaller, a child's head will resonate at a higher
frequency, somewhere between 600 and 850 MHz.

.... National Institute for Neurological Diseases warned that the frequency
388 MHz was noted to have a lethal effect on monkeys. Subsequent experiments
with a milliwatt-power oscillator positioned several feet away from human
subjects and swept through the 380-500 MHz range elicited a ?pulsing in the
brain,? ringing in the ears ? and a powerful urge to sink their teeth into
the experimenter!

.... In that experiment, each individual appeared to have his own
?resonant? frequency, probably a function of the height of the body acting
as a half-wave antenna. Most humans should resonate at around 82-85 MHz (TV
channel 6; do you live near a TV transmitter?).

By 1930 Nrunori claimed that humans react to radio emissions at 129
MHz and its harmonics, while in the 1920?s Cazzamalli bombarded volunteer
subjects with VHF radiation to induce hallucinations. He also claimed to
have recorded re-radiated ?beats? of emotional reactions using an untuned
galena crystal receiver and a galvanometer during the RF blitz from
his?oscillatori telegrafica.?

Fifteen-meter (21 MHz) signals increase the germination of gladiolus bulbs
while ten meter (29 MHz) energy kills bugs in bread!


The above came from two URLs:
http://www.gi.alaska.edu/ScienceForum/ASF3/386.html
http://www.totse.com/en/media/radio_.../humanrcv.html

The web is loaded with such info... many universities have done research...
billions of watts (such as HAARP) is NO JOKE!!!

Warmest regards,
John

"Chris" wrote in message
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Old May 23rd 05, 03:27 AM
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Dave Holford wrote:

Art Deco wrote:


According to an Alaskan local who is a friend of mine, HAARP has almost
no funding anymore from DoD, the guards at the front gate spend their
time watching cable TV. HAARP is turned on occasionally as a teaching
facility for the Univ. of Alaska.



I recall reading a couple of magazine articles some years ago when HAARP was
active; and in both of them the writers reported the gate was open and there was
no one at the gate. I recall one of the writers wandered around until he found
someone in a building who showed him around - there were some great photos of the
'huge' antenna system.


When all is said and sifted, what you have here is a slightly
overpowered ionosonde. Do a little math on how much of the output power
is left after inverse square losses at the altitude of the ionosphere...

Despite the kook brigades frothing, (they variously claimed that it is
able to control weather, make earthquakes and shoot down spacecraft in
LEO) the amount of field strength at altitude is about enough to run an
electric train. Toy electric train.....

Oh and it's not really that unique either, there are some sites in
Europe that have similar power levels.

The rest of FUD is just whacko kook froth and pseudoscience and can be
treated accordingly.

Excessive crossposting to kook groups (alt.fan.art.bell - alt.conspiracy
etc) removed to avoid encouraging kook invasions of mainstream groups....

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Old May 23rd 05, 03:37 PM
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The CO wrote:
Dave Holford wrote:

Art Deco wrote:


According to an Alaskan local who is a friend of mine, HAARP has

almost
no funding anymore from DoD, the guards at the front gate spend

their
time watching cable TV. HAARP is turned on occasionally as a

teaching
facility for the Univ. of Alaska.



I recall reading a couple of magazine articles some years ago when

HAARP was
active; and in both of them the writers reported the gate was open

and there was
no one at the gate. I recall one of the writers wandered around

until he found
someone in a building who showed him around - there were some great

photos of the
'huge' antenna system.


When all is said and sifted, what you have here is a slightly
overpowered ionosonde. Do a little math on how much of the output

power
is left after inverse square losses at the altitude of the

ionosphere...

Despite the kook brigades frothing, (they variously claimed that it

is
able to control weather, make earthquakes and shoot down spacecraft

in
LEO) the amount of field strength at altitude is about enough to run

an
electric train. Toy electric train.....

Oh and it's not really that unique either, there are some sites in
Europe that have similar power levels.

The rest of FUD is just whacko kook froth and pseudoscience and can

be
treated accordingly.

Excessive crossposting to kook groups (alt.fan.art.bell -

alt.conspiracy
etc) removed to avoid encouraging kook invasions of mainstream

groups....

The CO



There are many UHF TV stations with power levels above 5000 kW, this
little beauty is going from 3680 kW to 5000****.

example:
TX BPCT -970331KR NEW ENTRAVISION COMMUNICATIONS OF
APPLICATION GRANTED TO COMMERCIAL TV BROADCAST STATION
CHAN-18 MIDLAND, TX

CP FOR A NEW TELEVISION STATION TO SERVE MIDLAND, TX; CH-18;


TL: 1.5 KM NE INTERSECTION HWY 1213 & 349, MIDLAND, TX;

****(31-54-48 102-02-38); ERP(VIS): 5000 KW; HAAT: 277 METERS;


ANT: SWR, SWCPS32/18


A. WRAY FITCH, III, ESQ.

AMENDED: 5-8-97 TO CHANGE TL TO RATTLESNAKE RACEWAY, 500 FT


NNE OF THE INTERSECTION OF RTS 349 & 1213, COTTON FLAT,

MIDLAND COUNTY, TX; (31-54-48 102-02-39); ERP(VIS): 3680


KW; HAAT: 201.8 METERS

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Old May 23rd 05, 04:56 PM
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John Smith wrote:

HAARP is far from benign, as the following "factoids" suggest...

An adult's head will resonate at a frequency between 350 and 400 MHz
(megahertz). Being smaller, a child's head will resonate at a higher
frequency, somewhere between 600 and 850 MHz.

... National Institute for Neurological Diseases warned that the frequency
388 MHz was noted to have a lethal effect on monkeys. Subsequent experiments
with a milliwatt-power oscillator positioned several feet away from human
subjects and swept through the 380-500 MHz range elicited a ?pulsing in the
brain,? ringing in the ears ? and a powerful urge to sink their teeth into
the experimenter!

... In that experiment, each individual appeared to have his own
?resonant? frequency, probably a function of the height of the body acting
as a half-wave antenna. Most humans should resonate at around 82-85 MHz (TV
channel 6; do you live near a TV transmitter?).

By 1930 Nrunori claimed that humans react to radio emissions at 129
MHz and its harmonics, while in the 1920?s Cazzamalli bombarded volunteer
subjects with VHF radiation to induce hallucinations. He also claimed to
have recorded re-radiated ?beats? of emotional reactions using an untuned
galena crystal receiver and a galvanometer during the RF blitz from
his?oscillatori telegrafica.?

Fifteen-meter (21 MHz) signals increase the germination of gladiolus bulbs
while ten meter (29 MHz) energy kills bugs in bread!

The above came from two URLs:
http://www.gi.alaska.edu/ScienceForum/ASF3/386.html
http://www.totse.com/en/media/radio_.../humanrcv.html

The web is loaded with such info... many universities have done research...
billions of watts (such as HAARP) is NO JOKE!!!

Warmest regards,
John

"Chris" wrote in message
...
?


Should be easy to research. Control tower personnel spending their working
lives in that building with all the antennas transmitting in the 225 - 400MHz
and 118-136MHz range should provide plenty of study material.

Dave


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Old May 23rd 05, 06:47 PM
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I think if you do research that... in recent years you will find that the
concrete is now even made to provide much more shielding than in the past,
as such facilities--right down to the window glass which is a super high
metal content with frames providing ground straps... it has not escaped
some that high levels of rf has effects on biological material...

....even high-intensity ovens have been expermentally constructed which are
able to cook food with ultra and infra sound (there have been weapons
developed around infra-sound)... no frequency is without properties we have
overlooked--but no reason to stop talking--I don't even get warm when a
bunch of people scream... grin

One guy who didn't like his neighbors in an apartment next door--in New York
City, even removed the door to a microwave, constructed a "horn type"
antenna to replace it with and beamed the microwaves into the apartment next
to his (think it all started over a loud stereo) the neighbors noticed a
decline in their health and interference with their electronics... pics and
details of the device were available on the net, didn't look difficult to
construct--they must still be there, somewhere...

Warmest regards,
John

"Dave Holford" wrote in message
...


John Smith wrote:

HAARP is far from benign, as the following "factoids" suggest...

An adult's head will resonate at a frequency between 350 and 400 MHz
(megahertz). Being smaller, a child's head will resonate at a higher
frequency, somewhere between 600 and 850 MHz.

... National Institute for Neurological Diseases warned that the
frequency
388 MHz was noted to have a lethal effect on monkeys. Subsequent
experiments
with a milliwatt-power oscillator positioned several feet away from human
subjects and swept through the 380-500 MHz range elicited a ?pulsing in
the
brain,? ringing in the ears ? and a powerful urge to sink their teeth
into
the experimenter!

... In that experiment, each individual appeared to have his own
?resonant? frequency, probably a function of the height of the body
acting
as a half-wave antenna. Most humans should resonate at around 82-85 MHz
(TV
channel 6; do you live near a TV transmitter?).

By 1930 Nrunori claimed that humans react to radio emissions at 129
MHz and its harmonics, while in the 1920?s Cazzamalli bombarded volunteer
subjects with VHF radiation to induce hallucinations. He also claimed to
have recorded re-radiated ?beats? of emotional reactions using an untuned
galena crystal receiver and a galvanometer during the RF blitz from
his?oscillatori telegrafica.?

Fifteen-meter (21 MHz) signals increase the germination of gladiolus
bulbs
while ten meter (29 MHz) energy kills bugs in bread!

The above came from two URLs:
http://www.gi.alaska.edu/ScienceForum/ASF3/386.html
http://www.totse.com/en/media/radio_.../humanrcv.html

The web is loaded with such info... many universities have done
research...
billions of watts (such as HAARP) is NO JOKE!!!

Warmest regards,
John

"Chris" wrote in message
...
?


Should be easy to research. Control tower personnel spending their
working
lives in that building with all the antennas transmitting in the 225 -
400MHz
and 118-136MHz range should provide plenty of study material.

Dave






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On Wed, 18 May 2005 19:30:50 GMT, "harrogate2" wrote:


"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
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Chris wrote:
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In the upper peninsula of Michigan the Navy operated an ultra low frequency
station in order to send messages to submerged submarines. The transmitting
antennas were dozens of miles long.

JJ


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As a single antenna, probably.

But as an 'effective' antenna what about that line of dishes on tracks
near Cambridge that ISTR is equivalent to a dish 3 miles across!


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Jack Linthicum wrote:

There are many UHF TV stations with power levels above 5000 kW, this
little beauty is going from 3680 kW to 5000****.


Yes, nothing remarkable about the power level in the TV universe. The
similarly powered sites I was referring to are devices of a similar
nature ie ionosonde or other similar ionospheric research gadgetry.
But to the uninitiated, it probably sounds like a lot.
But IF they want REALLY BIG SCARY numbers they should do some arithmetic
on the amount of solar flux hitting the upper levels of the atmosphere
every second of the day and night.....

The CO
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But speaking in term of HF and microwaves, Arecibo and DSN remains the
largest.
All depend on what frequency bands are concerned.

Thierry, ON4SKY

If you want to go way up the spectrum, the Hale Telescope
http://www.astro.caltech.edu/palomar...es/cutaway.jpg
on Mount Wilson is a single-unit steerable antenna of sorts. Also may have
the honor of being the best-illustrated project. Russell Porter was an
artist with a drafting board.

cheers-

Dan
A.R.S. NK7H
currently off the air until I clear off my t-shooting bench and find those
blown transistors....
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Chris wrote: "?"

I saw a response noting earth-moon-earth amateur transmissions. The moon
is a large reflector but its spherical shape temds to scatter energy ,
not concentrate it in a beam as a concave shape might.

Another response was:
"The Sun for transmission, and the earth for reception."

The earth is conductive. So it interferes with straight line
transmission of waves from the sun. It casts a shadow. It is conductive,
so the earth does not absoeb all the radio energy it receives form the
sun. It must re-radiate much of the energy it receives, related to its
impedance discontinuity with that of the unabsorbed energy striking it.

A lightning bolt travels an ionized path which is a good conductor and
suffices to radiate static around the globe. Martin A. Ulman in
"Lightning", Dover Books, 1984, says the ionized trail may reach 30,000
degrees K and a length of 14 km (8 miles). That`s a long antenna but may
not be a record even for lightning.

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI

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Excellent thoughts, makes one think...

Warmest regards,
John

"Richard Harrison" wrote in message
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Chris wrote: "?"

I saw a response noting earth-moon-earth amateur transmissions. The moon
is a large reflector but its spherical shape temds to scatter energy ,
not concentrate it in a beam as a concave shape might.

Another response was:
"The Sun for transmission, and the earth for reception."

The earth is conductive. So it interferes with straight line
transmission of waves from the sun. It casts a shadow. It is conductive,
so the earth does not absoeb all the radio energy it receives form the
sun. It must re-radiate much of the energy it receives, related to its
impedance discontinuity with that of the unabsorbed energy striking it.

A lightning bolt travels an ionized path which is a good conductor and
suffices to radiate static around the globe. Martin A. Ulman in
"Lightning", Dover Books, 1984, says the ionized trail may reach 30,000
degrees K and a length of 14 km (8 miles). That`s a long antenna but may
not be a record even for lightning.

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI



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