On Nov 16, 7:18*pm, Art Unwin wrote:


So you think I should succumb to those who diss me without foundation
and give then
a proper antenna?

We have quite a solid foundation to "diss" your theories.

Not me, I say gottcha.! And as far as your assertion
that all verticals must have a ground plain
that is exactly what I would expect of you. Read books instead of
looking for vengance on who stayed in school.

Typical Art response. I've read the books, and I've used the
real antennas. Have you? Oh yea, you dismiss everything you
read in books. :/
Anyone with a clue knows that even "complete" verticals such
as a 1/2 wave can still suffer the effects of ground loss.
The loss is not quite as large as with the 1/4 wave monopole
due to the change in current distribution, but it is still there.
Why do you think that AM broadcasters that use 1/2 wave
verticals, also use a radial set of 1/2 wave radials?
For their health? To spend money that otherwise could be spent
on donuts for the fat slob at the mike? To be stylish?
Cuz Uncle Joe Bob is in the copper industry and needs more
work?
Good grief.. :/
The 5/8 radiator really should have an opposite 5/8 radiator,
rather than a ground plane. The usual 1/4 wave radial set for
an elevated ground plane is a poor choice.
But the problem in that case is not so much ground loss,
as it is perversion of the pattern due to using what I consider
a perverted unsymmetrical antenna.
This is why some people whine that their 5/8's antennas don't
live up to their expectations.
But if a 5/8 radiator is ground mounted, it too requires a radial
set to reduce ground losses. Go call WBAP and ask the
engineer if they have any wire in the ground.
This also applies to elevated dual 5/8 verticals if they are low
to the ground vs wavelength.


Somebody on this group offered you a wager of $1000 or was it more, to
refute your assetrtion that I didn't have such an antenna.
He stated he would supply the wager up front and I stated I would go
along and supply the antenna. What did you do?
You squeeled and groaned and got lost for a while and revealed
yourself as a talking head.

No one did any such thing that I'm aware of. Show me the google
archives. You are either totally full of crap, or must have me
confused with someone else. "that actually gives a @#$%" :/
Why would I care if you have an antenna or not?
You need to get a grip on reality.
I could give a rats heiney, and most certainly would not bother to
make any wager over you having one or not.
The reason I suspect this, is #1, I don't gamble. At all.
Even at Vegas. I don't even play the lottery.

I am done with you.

You can bet I'm not done with you though if you persist with
the usual mumbo jumbo jibber jabber.
I consider it my moral duty to expose all the stinky I run across.
So go ahead, make my day.