On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 02:33:03 GMT, Gene Fuller
wrote:

Cecil Moore wrote:
Gene Fuller wrote:
In steady state conditions there is no concept of beginning
or end.

If the 300 joules was not supplied
during the transient state, then it must have magically appeared
out of thin air in violation of the conservation of energy principle?

Hi Gene,

The bare contradiction is enough to condemn this thread.

However, it does have its amusing character of "Who's on first?"

Continuing that metaphor, Cecil would believe having been born on
third base, that he had hit a triple to be there. ;-)

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 20:10:14 -0700, Richard Clark
wrote:

Continuing that metaphor, Cecil would believe having been born on
third base, that he had hit a triple to be there. ;-)

For the concept challenged,

Being on third is the steady state.

The transient state is one of:
Being born;
hitting a triple;
hitting a double and then a batter advancing the runner(s);
hitting a single (then like wise with the batter's assist);
stealing a base;
or two.

The steady state also has to satisify other conditions that were taken
up by transients like outs and innings. e.g. being on third with
three outs does not mean you can stay on third.

Thus the next transient is
The side is retired (state change)
or, as in this case of the bottom of the ninth and an untied score
The game is over (solution).

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Richard Clark wrote:
Continuing that metaphor, Cecil would believe having been born on
third base, that he had hit a triple to be there. ;-)

That is actually the other side of the argument. When
an observer arrived after the game started, Cecil was
on third base. Using steady-state logic, the newcomer
assumes that Cecil is there without ever having to swing
a bat.

Someone looks at a transmission line during steady-state.
The source is supplying 100 watts. The load is dissipating
100 watts. The forward power is 200 watts. The reflected
power is 100 watts. The incorrect assumption is that the
source is incapable of delivering the 200 watts of forward
power and the 100 watts of reflected power. But the exact
amount of energy required to support those values
was provided to the transmission line before steady-
state was reached. It was rejected by the load and is
still there in the transmission line during steady-state.
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 12:02:14 GMT, Cecil Moore
wrote:

the newcomer
assumes that Cecil is there without ever having to swing
a bat.

The "newcomer" must be defined in the IEEE dictionary as "dolt" given
there are many possible solutions, and only a dolt (obviously not a
fan) would come to only ONE conclusion and that one being the least
likely in baseball experience.

The fan sitting next to him, hearing this exclamation is undoubtedly
squirming in his seat. That dolt has left unexpressed how, without
swinging a bat, that the runner was advanced to third, or worse, that
he got there on the basis of not swinging a bat alone - clearly a
violation of laws of baseball.

Let's consider another conundrum. The dolt, having arrived late, now
perceives:
1. the returned, fielded ball held by the catcher standing on home;
2. three bases loaded with runners;
3. a runner on the base line;
4. the scoreboard reveals this is the bottom of the ninth with two
outs.

Are there 4 men in the transmission line, or only three with the
mismatched termination at the load of home base?

The dolt would tell the fan next to him four (using specious math);
the fan would say none (using the laws of baseball). Solution = the
umpire would agree with the fan - and the side retires, the game is
over.

In the transient end-of-state, it takes a few minutes before the dolt
realizes
1. the solution;
2. he has no beer;
3. there are 75000 fans in the exits between him and his car;
4. Luigi is going to be waiting for him to cover his lost sucker bet;
5. he has no beer.