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What's the complex Poynting vector in the tuner? Why should I believe
that the delay through the tuner is negligible? Why should I believe that the stored fields are negligible? It's not obvious to me. For that matter, why does the ideal autotuner not reciprocal? The impedance in the presence of the standing waves at the tuner-line junction is R+jX. That is transformed by the autotuner so the source sees 50 ohms, but that also means that the output impedance of the generator is transformed as viewed by a wave coming down the line. It's not transformed to infinity. If it is a circulator and load, this is a distinctly nonreciprocal system. If it's a tuner affecting a match, it is reciprocal. If your definition of an ideal autotuner includes the nonreciprocity, please send me a schematic of such a device. I think I calculated the Poynting vector for this situation, I think the Poynting vector divided by the group velocity of the waves and integrated over the area of the coax gives the energy density per unit length in the steady state, and if you've tuned the line length so that the imaginary part of the Poynting vector goes to zero then the explanation you give falls apart. The tuner matters here. This is the problem with English language discussions, especially disagreements, about electrical systems. "There exists an ideal autotuner at the input" is insufficient specification of the mathematical problem. If you place a device that does everything you say it does at the source-line junction, maybe you do get 300J in the one-second line. Why isn't it reciprocal? Why is its phase shift negligible? Is it just because it's physically small? I seem to remember a certain hotly contested paper that I would think would have certainly put that sort of idea out of your head. I think the crux of the misunderstanding is in the tuner. I think it has stored energy and nonnegligible phase delay, else it is non-reciprocal and dissipative (circulator+load). What *IS* an ideal autotuner? I think you've stuffed too many conditions into its operation for it to be a physically realizable device. I'm pretty sure that it breaks the time reversal symmetry of the system. Send out a pulse into your one second misterminated line via your ideal autotuner. Wait half a second. FREEZE! Now run the film backward while obeying the rules of your autotuner. The pulse doesn't go back into the source. It bounces. What's up? 73, Dan |
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