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CW-forever Guys are gonna go balistic!
"Iitoi" wrote in
ink.net: 80M and 40M phone band expansion http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-06-149A1.doc I don't know if we'll get Mad right away but it's clear the FCC and the ARRL want to drive all good hams out of the service. Little by little they'll take away the non-phone portions of the bands and hand it over to the phone users. Like a frog in a pot of water that's raised to boiling point, one day us real hams will find we have to place to communicate on the ham bands that doesn't sound like Citizens Band. SC |
CW-forever Guys are gonna go balistic!
"Slow Code" wrote in message nk.net... "Iitoi" wrote in ink.net: 80M and 40M phone band expansion http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-06-149A1.doc I don't know if we'll get Mad right away but it's clear the FCC and the ARRL want to drive all good hams out of the service. Little by little they'll take away the non-phone portions of the bands and hand it over to the phone users. Like a frog in a pot of water that's raised to boiling point, one day us real hams will find we have to place to communicate on the ham bands that doesn't sound like Citizens Band. SC Anyone got some of what he's smoking? |
CW-forever Guys are gonna go balistic!
Might be he's toking down on some Hawaiian Salvia Divinorum....(google it) -ps there is a Salvia ng too..... "U-Know-Who" wrote in message ... "Slow Code" wrote in message nk.net... "Iitoi" wrote in ink.net: 80M and 40M phone band expansion http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-06-149A1.doc I don't know if we'll get Mad right away but it's clear the FCC and the ARRL want to drive all good hams out of the service. Little by little they'll take away the non-phone portions of the bands and hand it over to the phone users. Like a frog in a pot of water that's raised to boiling point, one day us real hams will find we have to place to communicate on the ham bands that doesn't sound like Citizens Band. SC Anyone got some of what he's smoking? |
CW-forever Guys are gonna go balistic!
"U-Know-Who" wrote in
: "Slow Code" wrote in message nk.net... "Iitoi" wrote in ink.net: 80M and 40M phone band expansion http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-06-149A1.doc I don't know if we'll get Mad right away but it's clear the FCC and the ARRL want to drive all good hams out of the service. Little by little they'll take away the non-phone portions of the bands and hand it over to the phone users. Like a frog in a pot of water that's raised to boiling point, one day us real hams will find we have to place to communicate on the ham bands that doesn't sound like Citizens Band. SC Anyone got some of what he's smoking? I smoke Marlboro, but you're not man enough to smoke'em. You should stick with your Virginia Slims. Make any CW contacts lately? SC |
CW-forever Guys are gonna go balistic!
Slow Code wrote in news:6tgXg.8071$Y24.103
@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net: "Iitoi" wrote in ink.net: 80M and 40M phone band expansion http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-06-149A1.doc I don't know if we'll get Mad right away but it's clear the FCC and the ARRL want to drive all good hams out of the service. Little by little they'll take away the non-phone portions of the bands and hand it over to the phone users. Like a frog in a pot of water that's raised to boiling point, one day us real hams will find we have to place to communicate on the ham bands that doesn't sound like Citizens Band. SC Here's a reality check. On 80m the rest of the world, except Canada, has always had phone down to 3600 as far back as I can remember, and we are merely joining them. The VE phone ops still have to stay above 3700, I think. On 40m the international bandplans have phone down to 7040 except in Region 3 where it is 7030. The only countries that I know of where you can't use phone down to 7040 are Mexico (7050) and the USA (now 7125 after the change). US hams outside Region 2 have had phone down to 7075 for years, and I am on record as suggesting that we should have that in the mainland US. It's hard to see why not when you actually look at what the rest of the world is doing. At the same time countries in Region 1 aren't supposed to get access to 7100-7200 until the middle of 2007. Many of them already have, but for those that haven't, a phone subband that goes down to 7125 still doesn't even reach the top edge of their whole band. Doubtless some of them will be late in implementing the extra spectrum, so forced split working will drag on a while longer. How would you like it if your 40m CW allocation were on frequencies that were off limits to the DX? On 20m and 15m we still have 50 kHz less phone on each band than all other countries. Although General and Advanced got bigger phone subbands on 15 (as well as 80 and 40), the bottom edge of phone didn't move on 15 (or 20). 73 de Alun, N3KIP (20wpm Extra, 100% phone op) |
CW-forever Guys are gonna go balistic!
Slow Code wrote:
"Iitoi" wrote in ink.net: 80M and 40M phone band expansion http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-06-149A1.doc I don't know if we'll get Mad right away but it's clear the FCC and the ARRL want to drive all good hams out of the service. Little by little they'll take away the non-phone portions of the bands and hand it over to the phone users. Nonsense. The CW bands are not exactly overcrowded (or have you been listening there). 73, Phil w7ox |
CW-forever Guys are gonna go balistic!
"Alun L. Palmer" wrote 73 de Alun, N3KIP (20wpm Extra, 100% phone op) Alun, With all due respect, your signature line kind of reveals your agenda. We aren't talking about Extra's who don't use CW/rtty/data. The folks we're talking about here are Generals, the most populous HF license class in the US. On 75m they have just had their CW/rtty/data spectrum reduced by 2/3rds. That's outrageous! 73, de Hans, K0HB |
CW-forever Guys are gonna go balistic!
wrote funny I thought they could still CW everywhere in band That' may be true in theory, but not in practice. You can't use CW on frequencies which your license class prohibits. Generals just lost 150kHz of prime CW/rtty/data spectrum from 3.6 to 3.75MHz, the other parts of the band their license class doesn't allow. So much for "CW everywhere in band". 73, de Hans, K0HB |
CW-forever Guys are gonna go balistic!
KØHB wrote:
On 75m they have just had their CW/rtty/data spectrum reduced by 2/3rds. Hans, has CW been barred from parts of 75m? I haven't read the R&O. -- 73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com |
CW-forever Guys are gonna go balistic!
wrote sorry they may well have lost spectrum wher they can data i have n't looked at the details but the rules concerning CW use have not changed No, the rules concerning CW use have not changed. Those rules have never allowed a General to transmit CW (or anything else) in frequencies reserved for Extra and Advanced. In the case we're discussing the 150kHz from 3600 to 3750 have now been reserved for Extra and Advanced, and are now off limits to General who previously could transmit CW/rtty/data in that segment. 73, de Hans, K0HB |
CW-forever Guys are gonna go balistic!
"Cecil Moore" wrote Hans, has CW been barred from parts of 75m? I haven't read the R&O. -- 73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com No, but Generals will be evicted from 3600-3750 if the R&O stands as written. 73, de Hans, K0HB |
CW-forever Guys are gonna go balistic!
KØHB wrote: wrote sorry they may well have lost spectrum wher they can data i have n't looked at the details but the rules concerning CW use have not changed No, the rules concerning CW use have not changed. Those rules have never allowed a General to transmit CW (or anything else) in frequencies reserved for Extra and Advanced. In the case we're discussing the 150kHz from 3600 to 3750 have now been reserved for Extra and Advanced, and are now off limits to General who previously could transmit CW/rtty/data in that segment. hmm they lost acutals hz did they? is that what you are tlaking around or did things just get shuffed around same number hz justchanging the mode avalable in the later I say where the beef if they lose acutaul hz for any use (total number for all modes then I have to wonder 73, de Hans, K0HB |
CW-forever Guys are gonna go balistic!
KØHB wrote:
"Cecil Moore" wrote Hans, has CW been barred from parts of 75m? I haven't read the R&O. No, but Generals will be evicted from 3600-3750 if the R&O stands as written. I thought there was an unwritten law that no new rule would cause any loss of privileges. Are you sure the FCC actually did that? -- 73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com |
CW-forever Guys are gonna go balistic!
"Cecil Moore" wrote I thought there was an unwritten law that no new rule would cause any loss of privileges. Are you sure the FCC actually did that? If it wasn't the FCC it was someone who very much looks like them. Full R&O is at http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-06-149A1.doc or you can get a short version at http://www.arrl.org 73, de Hans, K0HB |
CW-forever Guys are gonna go balistic!
"Alun L. Palmer" wrote in message . .. Slow Code wrote in news:6tgXg.8071$Y24.103 @newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net: "Iitoi" wrote in ink.net: 80M and 40M phone band expansion http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-06-149A1.doc I don't know if we'll get Mad right away but it's clear the FCC and the ARRL want to drive all good hams out of the service. Little by little they'll take away the non-phone portions of the bands and hand it over to the phone users. Like a frog in a pot of water that's raised to boiling point, one day us real hams will find we have to place to communicate on the ham bands that doesn't sound like Citizens Band. SC Here's a reality check. On 80m the rest of the world, except Canada, has always had phone down to 3600 as far back as I can remember, and we are merely joining them. The VE phone ops still have to stay above 3700, I think. On 40m the international bandplans have phone down to 7040 except in Region 3 where it is 7030. The only countries that I know of where you can't use phone down to 7040 are Mexico (7050) and the USA (now 7125 after the change). US hams outside Region 2 have had phone down to 7075 for years, and I am on record as suggesting that we should have that in the mainland US. It's hard to see why not when you actually look at what the rest of the world is doing. At the same time countries in Region 1 aren't supposed to get access to 7100-7200 until the middle of 2007. Many of them already have, but for those that haven't, a phone subband that goes down to 7125 still doesn't even reach the top edge of their whole band. Doubtless some of them will be late in implementing the extra spectrum, so forced split working will drag on a while longer. How would you like it if your 40m CW allocation were on frequencies that were off limits to the DX? On 20m and 15m we still have 50 kHz less phone on each band than all other countries. Although General and Advanced got bigger phone subbands on 15 (as well as 80 and 40), the bottom edge of phone didn't move on 15 (or 20). 73 de Alun, N3KIP (20wpm Extra, 100% phone op) Keep in mind that the US has more hams than the entire rest of the world combined if you don't include Japan in that count. So there is the potential for problems if our voice allocations go too low. Our regulations need to take that into account. As far as 40m goes, it will be a better solution if they can move the broadcasters out and make it a worldwide ham allocation up to 7.300. If the rest of the world could go to 7.3, that would open up a tremendous amount of space for other countries. Dee, N8UZE |
CW-forever Guys are gonna go balistic!
KØHB wrote:
wrote funny I thought they could still CW everywhere in band That' may be true in theory, but not in practice. You can't use CW on frequencies which your license class prohibits. Generals just lost 150kHz of prime CW/rtty/data spectrum from 3.6 to 3.75MHz, the other parts of the band their license class doesn't allow. So much for "CW everywhere in band". 73, de Hans, K0HB The comment is that you can use CW anywhere within the allowable frequencies for you class of license. Dave WD9BDZ |
CW-forever Guys are gonna go balistic!
KØHB wrote:
Full R&O is at http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-06-149A1.doc or you can get a short version at http://www.arrl.org I personally would like to see all amateur frequencies open to CW operation by any and all classes of licenses. Want an incentive? There it is. -- 73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com |
CW-forever Guys are gonna go balistic!
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 18:01:44 GMT, Cecil Moore
wrote: KØHB wrote: "Cecil Moore" wrote Hans, has CW been barred from parts of 75m? I haven't read the R&O. No, but Generals will be evicted from 3600-3750 if the R&O stands as written. I thought there was an unwritten law that no new rule would cause any loss of privileges. Are you sure the FCC actually did that? Can you say, "Eleven meters" or "Incentive Licensing?" |
CW-forever Guys are gonna go balistic!
Alun L. Palmer wrote: Slow Code wrote in news:6tgXg.8071$Y24.103 @newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net: "Iitoi" wrote in ink.net: 80M and 40M phone band expansion http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-06-149A1.doc I don't know if we'll get Mad right away but it's clear the FCC and the ARRL want to drive all good hams out of the service. Little by little they'll take away the non-phone portions of the bands and hand it over to the phone users. Like a frog in a pot of water that's raised to boiling point, one day us real hams will find we have to place to communicate on the ham bands that doesn't sound like Citizens Band. SC Here's a reality check. On 80m the rest of the world, except Canada, has always had phone down to 3600 as far back as I can remember, and we are merely joining them. The VE phone ops still have to stay above 3700, I think. On 40m the international bandplans have phone down to 7040 except in Region 3 where it is 7030. The only countries that I know of where you can't use phone down to 7040 are Mexico (7050) and the USA (now 7125 after the change). US hams outside Region 2 have had phone down to 7075 for years, and I am on record as suggesting that we should have that in the mainland US. It's hard to see why not when you actually look at what the rest of the world is doing. At the same time countries in Region 1 aren't supposed to get access to 7100-7200 until the middle of 2007. Many of them already have, but for those that haven't, a phone subband that goes down to 7125 still doesn't even reach the top edge of their whole band. Doubtless some of them will be late in implementing the extra spectrum, so forced split working will drag on a while longer. Alun you've been dumping this old whine into the groups for years now and it's long since worn out. Not that it needs to be explained to you *again* but the FCC is *protecting* the dx from the hordes of Yanks who would obliterate the dx if we were allowed to run SSB below 7100. Dee also explaned it in her immediately preceeding post, read it, give us a break and internalize it this time then go find something new to grouse about for the next five years. Maybe by then your chums in the UK will be able to transceive with you above 7125. How would you like it if your 40m CW allocation were on frequencies that were off limits to the DX? The difference is all about one SSB signal taking up the same amout of spectrum space as 5-10 CW signals. On 20m and 15m we still have 50 kHz less phone on each band than all other countries. Although General and Advanced got bigger phone subbands on 15 (as well as 80 and 40), the bottom edge of phone didn't move on 15 (or 20). 73 de Alun, N3KIP (20wpm Extra, 100% phone op) There's your real problem. w3rv |
CW-forever Guys are gonna go balistic!
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 18:01:44 GMT, Cecil Moore wrote:
KØHB wrote: "Cecil Moore" wrote Hans, has CW been barred from parts of 75m? I haven't read the R&O. No, but Generals will be evicted from 3600-3750 if the R&O stands as written. I thought there was an unwritten law that no new rule would cause any loss of privileges. Are you sure the FCC actually did that? Hi Cecil, The FCC R&O does NOT indicate any change in CW frequencies--it only gives more spectrum to phone operation. Hans needs to take Reading 101. Walt, W2DU |
CW-forever Guys are gonna go balistic!
Walter Maxwell wrote:
The FCC R&O does NOT indicate any change in CW frequencies--it only gives more spectrum to phone operation. Hans needs to take Reading 101. Hi Walt, I believe Hans objection is that if 3600-3750 is awarded exclusively to Extras then Generals will not be able to operate CW there anymore even though CW is still allowed. -- 73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com |
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an_old_friend wrote:
wrote: the FCC does not care about protecting DX forgien or domestic .. . . domestic DX . . ? the ARRL may well have when they sugested this sort of arngementmany years (part of incentive licening I supose) Doesn't matter where the concept came from originally, it's been in place for decades. w3rv |
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Phil Wheeler wrote in
: Slow Code wrote: "Iitoi" wrote in ink.net: 80M and 40M phone band expansion http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-06-149A1.doc I don't know if we'll get Mad right away but it's clear the FCC and the ARRL want to drive all good hams out of the service. Little by little they'll take away the non-phone portions of the bands and hand it over to the phone users. Nonsense. The CW bands are not exactly overcrowded (or have you been listening there). 73, Phil w7ox You can thank the ITU and Nickle licenses for that. SC |
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wrote in
ups.com: Alun L. Palmer wrote: Slow Code wrote in news:6tgXg.8071$Y24.103 @newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net: "Iitoi" wrote in ink.net: 80M and 40M phone band expansion http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-06-149A1.doc I don't know if we'll get Mad right away but it's clear the FCC and the ARRL want to drive all good hams out of the service. Little by little they'll take away the non-phone portions of the bands and hand it over to the phone users. Like a frog in a pot of water that's raised to boiling point, one day us real hams will find we have to place to communicate on the ham bands that doesn't sound like Citizens Band. SC Here's a reality check. On 80m the rest of the world, except Canada, has always had phone down to 3600 as far back as I can remember, and we are merely joining them. The VE phone ops still have to stay above 3700, I think. On 40m the international bandplans have phone down to 7040 except in Region 3 where it is 7030. The only countries that I know of where you can't use phone down to 7040 are Mexico (7050) and the USA (now 7125 after the change). US hams outside Region 2 have had phone down to 7075 for years, and I am on record as suggesting that we should have that in the mainland US. It's hard to see why not when you actually look at what the rest of the world is doing. At the same time countries in Region 1 aren't supposed to get access to 7100-7200 until the middle of 2007. Many of them already have, but for those that haven't, a phone subband that goes down to 7125 still doesn't even reach the top edge of their whole band. Doubtless some of them will be late in implementing the extra spectrum, so forced split working will drag on a while longer. Alun you've been dumping this old whine into the groups for years now and it's long since worn out. Not that it needs to be explained to you *again* but the FCC is *protecting* the dx from the hordes of Yanks who would obliterate the dx if we were allowed to run SSB below 7100. Dee also explaned it in her immediately preceeding post, read it, give us a break and internalize it this time then go find something new to grouse about for the next five years. Maybe by then your chums in the UK will be able to transceive with you above 7125. How would you like it if your 40m CW allocation were on frequencies that were off limits to the DX? The difference is all about one SSB signal taking up the same amout of spectrum space as 5-10 CW signals. On 20m and 15m we still have 50 kHz less phone on each band than all other countries. Although General and Advanced got bigger phone subbands on 15 (as well as 80 and 40), the bottom edge of phone didn't move on 15 (or 20). 73 de Alun, N3KIP (20wpm Extra, 100% phone op) There's your real problem. w3rv I can work the UK on 40 phone now without going split. They can use 7040- 7200 now. OTOH, who knows when the broadcasters will ever move? It's a complete crock about protecting the DX. The answer for ragchewers has always been to use a band that isn't open to where you want to be protected from, i.e. don't ragchew on an open band unless you want DX (meaning in this case US hams) to ask to join the QSO (some actually like it when that happens, you know). It's not really hard for them to find a band that isn't open to the US. |
CW-forever Guys are gonna go balistic!
Alun L. Palmer wrote: wrote in ups.com: Alun L. Palmer wrote: Slow Code wrote in news:6tgXg.8071$Y24.103 @newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net: "Iitoi" wrote in ink.net: 80M and 40M phone band expansion http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-06-149A1.doc I don't know if we'll get Mad right away but it's clear the FCC and the ARRL want to drive all good hams out of the service. Little by little they'll take away the non-phone portions of the bands and hand it over to the phone users. Like a frog in a pot of water that's raised to boiling point, one day us real hams will find we have to place to communicate on the ham bands that doesn't sound like Citizens Band. SC Here's a reality check. On 80m the rest of the world, except Canada, has always had phone down to 3600 as far back as I can remember, and we are merely joining them. The VE phone ops still have to stay above 3700, I think. On 40m the international bandplans have phone down to 7040 except in Region 3 where it is 7030. The only countries that I know of where you can't use phone down to 7040 are Mexico (7050) and the USA (now 7125 after the change). US hams outside Region 2 have had phone down to 7075 for years, and I am on record as suggesting that we should have that in the mainland US. It's hard to see why not when you actually look at what the rest of the world is doing. At the same time countries in Region 1 aren't supposed to get access to 7100-7200 until the middle of 2007. Many of them already have, but for those that haven't, a phone subband that goes down to 7125 still doesn't even reach the top edge of their whole band. Doubtless some of them will be late in implementing the extra spectrum, so forced split working will drag on a while longer. Alun you've been dumping this old whine into the groups for years now and it's long since worn out. Not that it needs to be explained to you *again* but the FCC is *protecting* the dx from the hordes of Yanks who would obliterate the dx if we were allowed to run SSB below 7100. Dee also explaned it in her immediately preceeding post, read it, give us a break and internalize it this time then go find something new to grouse about for the next five years. Maybe by then your chums in the UK will be able to transceive with you above 7125. How would you like it if your 40m CW allocation were on frequencies that were off limits to the DX? The difference is all about one SSB signal taking up the same amout of spectrum space as 5-10 CW signals. Sheesh! No wonder Dee says CWGet can't copy it with these guys interfering each other. On 20m and 15m we still have 50 kHz less phone on each band than all other countries. Although General and Advanced got bigger phone subbands on 15 (as well as 80 and 40), the bottom edge of phone didn't move on 15 (or 20). 73 de Alun, N3KIP (20wpm Extra, 100% phone op) There's your real problem. w3rv I can work the UK on 40 phone now without going split. They can use 7040- 7200 now. OTOH, who knows when the broadcasters will ever move? It's a complete crock about protecting the DX. The answer for ragchewers has always been to use a band that isn't open to where you want to be protected from, i.e. don't ragchew on an open band unless you want DX (meaning in this case US hams) to ask to join the QSO (some actually like it when that happens, you know). It's not really hard for them to find a band that isn't open to the US. KH2D and I used to chat on a dead band; 10 meters. Then someone from Africa would break in for a QSO |
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