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Remember only R is of consideration for the addition of power from each
element which provides flux unless you can quantasize reaction for me
as producing the emmision of flux other than a indication of the
direction it takes .


I assume you are talking about radiation resistance.
There are other R's that cause loss of desired radiation
including conduction-dielectric losses. Some signal
is lost to the ground after being radiated.

Assuming that your definition of efficiency includes
beam efficiency, I would suggest taking an optimized
two-element Yagi into EZNEC and determining the maximum
gain. Then replace the reflector by an element identical
to the driven element including the source signal. Using
the same amount of total driving power, if you can come
up with a gain superior to the Yagi, would that prove
the point you are trying to make?
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Cecil Moore wrote:
Remember only R is of consideration for the addition of power from each
element which provides flux unless you can quantasize reaction for me
as producing the emmision of flux other than a indication of the
direction it takes .


I agree there are other losses but to prevent including losses that are
outside the E and H process change over such as ground reflections etc
is it not better to just accept The pure resistance only so there is no
need to characterize individual losses Once you go beyond the near
field it gets complicated as losses are created outside the EH
generation process.
Ii am not sure how the EZNEC thing functions but if you design the
array where all elements are driven you can then use the individual
element impedances to determine overall efficiency.i.e. power in versus
power out
Fortunately thats the way my program can operate
Art


I assume you are talking about radiation resistance.
There are other R's that cause loss of desired radiation
including conduction-dielectric losses. Some signal
is lost to the ground after being radiated.

snipe?
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art wrote:


Cecil Moore wrote:
Remember only R is of consideration for the addition of power from each
element which provides flux unless you can quantasize reaction for me
as producing the emmision of flux other than a indication of the
direction it takes .


I agree there are other losses but to prevent including losses that are
outside the E and H process change over such as ground reflections etc
is it not better to just accept The pure resistance only so there is no
need to characterize individual losses Once you go beyond the near
field it gets complicated as losses are created outside the EH
generation process.
Ii am not sure how the EZNEC thing functions but if you design the
array where all elements are driven you can then use the individual
element impedances to determine overall efficiency.i.e. power in versus
power out
Fortunately thats the way my program can operate
Art



Does this mean you are ignoring any interaction between elements?
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