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Denny wrote:
That dry wind will cause high voltage charging -and arcing- of insulated antennas and static noise, especially on long wires - that this is mostly friction charging, a similar mechanism to rubbing silk on glass, though charged body impact of dust may be relevant... One wonders if only nitrogen and oxygen molecules rubbing on copper can cause that effect. -- 73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com |
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On 11 Dec 2006 04:37:01 -0800, "Denny" wrote:
Anyone who says you can't revive a dead horse with a good, firm beating has not met this group :) Hi Denny, .... and then you proceed to whip the asphalt through its stripped rib cage. Bored? antenna is a "convertor" You are robbing Art's rice bowl. 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC |
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John Smith wrote:
Indeed, the worst experience I have ever had is crossing nylon carpets on very dry days in well insulated footwear. In Odessa, TX, I once went potty after doing exactly that and drew a two inch arc from the water in the john. OUCH!!! However, I have heard horror stories of purplish cornea discharges from antennas which are a sight to behold. One of the strangest cases of corona that I ever saw was a ham driving down CA Highway 1 near Monterrey in the fog. It looked for all the world like he had a reddish light on top of his whip. The CA highway patrol even stopped him for it. I don't know if he got a ticket or not. -- 73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com |
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Cecil Moore wrote:
The way I reduced the problem with open-ended antennas is to use heavily insulated wire. Bare conductors transfer all charges. 600 volt insulation blocks charge transfer. In my experience, 1000v insulation blocks most charge transfer. Your radio doesn't actually hear clear down to DC, does it? :-) The effect is heard as a result of the charge striking the antenna, thus changing the charge on the antenna. As you know, for a given capacitance, a 600 volt dielectric couples charge just as well as a 1000 volt dielectric. In such a case the 'pop' is capacitively coupled broadband noise. But whether the antenna is insulated or not, looped or not, the static noise is due to a rapid (albeit small) change in charge on the antenna being coupled by some means into the receiver. I use something called "Quietflex" that has 1000v insulation. Most of the precipitation static doesn't transfer to the antenna wire while RF waves/photons flow right through the insulation with little attenuation. I suspect plastic encased antennas are quieter than bare antennas. Maybe. It would make sense that the amount of static noise coupled from the environment would be proportional to the coupling capacitance. Knowing that charge tends to gather on a surface, the thicker the 'dielectric', the lower the capacitance. A small series capacitor in most circuits would tend to differentiate an impulse, producing a signal which is proportional to the slope of the impulse. With larger values of capacitance the coupled signals tend to follow the input. So although it's not likely that insulation would reduce the number of noise 'events', it is possible that it would narrow the resulting broadband power spectrum. This could be helpful, as long as it narrows it in the part of the spectrum you happen to be using. ;-) 73, ac6xg |
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Richard, we get bored at some of your comments on this group
but we have learned to live with it When you want to get "bored" you go to San Francisco Richard Clark wrote: On 11 Dec 2006 04:37:01 -0800, "Denny" wrote: Anyone who says you can't revive a dead horse with a good, firm beating has not met this group :) Hi Denny, ... and then you proceed to whip the asphalt through its stripped rib cage. Bored? antenna is a "convertor" You are robbing Art's rice bowl. 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC |
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art wrote:
Richard, we get bored at some of your comments on this group but we have learned to live with it When you want to get "bored" you go to San Francisco Richard Clark wrote: On 11 Dec 2006 04:37:01 -0800, "Denny" wrote: Anyone who says you can't revive a dead horse with a good, firm beating has not met this group :) Hi Denny, ... and then you proceed to whip the asphalt through its stripped rib cage. Bored? antenna is a "convertor" You are robbing Art's rice bowl. 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC Just what is that remark supposed to mean, Art? 73, Tom Donaly, KA6RUH |
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Tom Donaly wrote:
... When you want to get "bored" you go to San Francisco ... Tom: I don't know about you, but I take the above as a warning! Well intentioned, and one best respected! STAY OUT OF FRISCO! Regards, JS |
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John Smith wrote:
Tom Donaly wrote: ... When you want to get "bored" you go to San Francisco ... Tom: I don't know about you, but I take the above as a warning! Well intentioned, and one best respected! STAY OUT OF FRISCO! Regards, JS John, I live just a few miles south of San Francisco. I've been living here since the early '70's. My wife and I go up there on a regular basis to go shopping and visit her relatives, who live there. Art was being an invidious pig and I called him on it. Now, Art, just what did you mean by that? 73, Tom Donaly, KA6RUH |
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.. Art was
being an invidious pig and I called him on it. snip and I was responding to an invidious pig When he stops these snide attacks on me then things like this wouldn't happen Richard declined my hand on all this because he says he enjoyes it So as somebody said I am not here to be a lump on a log that people feel they must take a hack at. Tom you have been around this group for a long time and know how Richard is and I am determined not to be trashed into oblivion like CHIP in the face of attacks from him , Roy and others. You only have to go back a few posts to see examples of his trash towards me and I will retaliate, anyway I can until he stops..... His choice 73, Tom Donaly, KA6RUH |
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art wrote:
. Art was being an invidious pig and I called him on it. ... Art: Lighten up. If this fails to be a fun diversion, hobby, pursuit for you, take up another hobby man! When you cite richard for taxing your patience, do you ever think you might tax others? If you are going to give some fencing instructions, expect to take some .... perhaps this game is best suited for gentlemen? Regards, JS |
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I remember being stranded at Chicago O Hare airport
because of snow conditions so I wasted time by putting my baggage in a cart and walked around. While doing this some people were giggling and I didnt know why until I realised that I had donned a sweater to keep warm and it had spread across the front ..............SAN FRANCISCO............ Do you think I went back and asked them why they was giggling? I knew why..... so I took off the sweater and went for a nice cup of coffe with a smile to myself. Would you like to have that sweater,? I doubt it art wrote: . Art was being an invidious pig and I called him on it. snip and I was responding to an invidious pig When he stops these snide attacks on me then things like this wouldn't happen Richard declined my hand on all this because he says he enjoyes it So as somebody said I am not here to be a lump on a log that people feel they must take a hack at. Tom you have been around this group for a long time and know how Richard is and I am determined not to be trashed into oblivion like CHIP in the face of attacks from him , Roy and others. You only have to go back a few posts to see examples of his trash towards me and I will retaliate, anyway I can until he stops..... His choice 73, Tom Donaly, KA6RUH |
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As I said earlier, it is his choice Over ten or more years on this
newsgroup I have witnessed a lot of trashing by him and others, but with me it is going to be different. I can dish it out also....... and with a vengance ! Again... his choice. I have no wish to join others in this newsgroup where crude rudeness is common but it appears that some want the newsgroup to go that way. As for hobbies antennas are my hobby so I am not going anywhere.tho others who don't like it can go where they please. One day John it may be your turn and you can play gentleman if you want to because that is taken as a sign of weakness here leaving you more prone to insults. Learn fencing before it happens John Smith wrote: art wrote: . Art was being an invidious pig and I called him on it. ... Art: Lighten up. If this fails to be a fun diversion, hobby, pursuit for you, take up another hobby man! When you cite richard for taxing your patience, do you ever think you might tax others? If you are going to give some fencing instructions, expect to take some ... perhaps this game is best suited for gentlemen? Regards, JS |
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"Cecil Moore" wrote in message t... snip One of the strangest cases of corona that I ever saw was a ham driving down CA Highway 1 near Monterrey in the fog. It looked for all the world like he had a reddish light on top of his whip. The CA highway patrol even stopped him for it. I don't know if he got a ticket or not. -- 73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com I have heard it described on Navy ships but I've never seen it myself. One name is Saint Elmo's Fire. Googling for "st elmo's fire" corona produces quite a good lot. (Without the word _corona_ you get too many hits for the movie, St Elmo's Fire.") "Sal" |
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art wrote:
. Art was being an invidious pig and I called him on it. snip and I was responding to an invidious pig When he stops these snide attacks on me then things like this wouldn't happen Richard declined my hand on all this because he says he enjoyes it So as somebody said I am not here to be a lump on a log that people feel they must take a hack at. Tom you have been around this group for a long time and know how Richard is and I am determined not to be trashed into oblivion like CHIP in the face of attacks from him , Roy and others. You only have to go back a few posts to see examples of his trash towards me and I will retaliate, anyway I can until he stops..... His choice 73, Tom Donaly, KA6RUH Calm down, Art. Reg Edwards (PBUH) managed to stay in good humor when he was the recipient of Richard's little bons mots, and you can do at least as well as Reg in this regard. Chip managed to hold his own without sinking to the level of a thirteen year old, and you can do that too. (Although a few of Chip's alter egos were pretty far gone on the puerile side.) You should emulate Cecil. He has the hide of a Texas rhinoceros and never loses an argument (he never wins one, either). As for your feelings about San Francisco, it's not like you think it is, and even if it were, at your age no one's going to ask you to play drop-the-soap no matter how eager you might be to join the fun. 73, Tom Donaly, KA6RUH |
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YUP! I liked that phrase and shamelessly stole it, right in broad
daylight in front of a crowd of onlookers. ... - and Mama said I'd never amount to anything . . . jeez... denny Richard Clark wrote: antenna is a "convertor" You are robbing Art's rice bowl. 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC |
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Actually, at the time I typed that, the thought rattled through my head
that I ought to set up a wind tunnel (ala the Wright Bros) and test to see what the difference is between dry, charged wind and the same with dust in it... Then the reality that there are only 29 hours in a day popped up... Had I followed my druthers I would have wound up a professor of physics, or some such, at some minor university where I would have made the doctoral candidates lives miserable by insisting that they do their dissertation on such real world stuff instead of the meaningless trivia that most dissertations I have read in recent decades represent... Probably it is far better for them that I drifted off into the dark side of the force, instead.. denny Cecil Moore wrote: Denny wrote: That dry wind will cause high voltage charging -and arcing- of insulated antennas and static noise, especially on long wires - that this is mostly friction charging, a similar mechanism to rubbing silk on glass, though charged body impact of dust may be relevant... One wonders if only nitrogen and oxygen molecules rubbing on copper can cause that effect. -- 73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com |
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Funny I have a San Francisco T and NOBODY giggles at me when I wear it.
Maybe its not the shirt. "art" wrote in message oups.com... I remember being stranded at Chicago O Hare airport because of snow conditions so I wasted time by putting my baggage in a cart and walked around. While doing this some people were giggling and I didnt know why until I realised that I had donned a sweater to keep warm and it had spread across the front .............SAN FRANCISCO............ Do you think I went back and asked them why they was giggling? I knew why..... so I took off the sweater and went for a nice cup of coffe with a smile to myself. Would you like to have that sweater,? I doubt it |
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Jim Kelley wrote:
Your radio doesn't actually hear clear down to DC, does it? :-) Doesn't matter since I can't hear DC anyway. If the charge striking the antenna is a DC pulse, part of the released energy extends into the RF region whether the event is linear or not. The effect is heard as a result of the charge striking the antenna, thus changing the charge on the antenna. As you know, for a given capacitance, a 600 volt dielectric couples charge just as well as a 1000 volt dielectric. In such a case the 'pop' is capacitively coupled broadband noise. But whether the antenna is insulated or not, looped or not, the static noise is due to a rapid (albeit small) change in charge on the antenna being coupled by some means into the receiver. Your idea assumes linear displacement current, i.e. charge transfer around the dielectric. My idea assumes charge transfer through the dielectric, i.e. a tiny nonlinear breakdown of the dielectric. We can haggle over the exact physical mechanism but the result is probably the same in either case and maybe a combination of the two. The thicker the dielectric coating on the antenna wire, the lower the precipitation noise from the antenna. That has been proved to be true for airplane antennas moving through air. Seems relativity would hold true for air moving past antennas. It would make sense that the amount of static noise coupled from the environment would be proportional to the coupling capacitance. Knowing that charge tends to gather on a surface, the thicker the 'dielectric', the lower the capacitance. It would also make sense to say the thicker the dielectric, the smaller is the chance of a nonlinear event. I sure wish I had not kissed my girlfriend on her ear ring 50 years ago after sliding across plastic seatcovers wearing wool pants. So is precipitation static a linear or nonlinear event? Or a combination of the two? Does it matter? -- 73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com |
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Tom Donaly wrote:
You should emulate Cecil. He has the hide of a Texas rhinoceros and never loses an argument ... Tom, I have lost lots of arguments. When I am proved wrong, I immediately switch sides and hope that nobody remembers me being wrong. :-) -- 73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com |
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I suppose if it fits you then you blend in and are accepted
I didn,t want to be accepted I suppose don't ask don't tell rules Jimmie D wrote: Funny I have a San Francisco T and NOBODY giggles at me when I wear it. Maybe its not the shirt. "art" wrote in message oups.com... I remember being stranded at Chicago O Hare airport because of snow conditions so I wasted time by putting my baggage in a cart and walked around. While doing this some people were giggling and I didnt know why until I realised that I had donned a sweater to keep warm and it had spread across the front .............SAN FRANCISCO............ Do you think I went back and asked them why they was giggling? I knew why..... so I took off the sweater and went for a nice cup of coffe with a smile to myself. Would you like to have that sweater,? I doubt it |
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Cecil Moore wrote:
Tom Donaly wrote: You should emulate Cecil. He has the hide of a Texas rhinoceros and never loses an argument ... Tom, I have lost lots of arguments. When I am proved wrong, I immediately switch sides and hope that nobody remembers me being wrong. :-) Isn't that SOP? (standard operating procedure) Common Cecil! We ALL know that one. grin Regards, JS |
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Cecil Moore wrote:
... One wonders if only nitrogen and oxygen molecules rubbing on copper can cause that effect. Cecil: One wonders if NASA didn't have a few problems with scooting aircraft/spacecraft thousands of mph though atmosphere with such problems, and how they over came them? Regards, JS |
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On 11 Dec 2006 16:25:36 -0800, "art" wrote:
Richard, we get bored at some of your comments Hi Art, I can also see that you are bored with antennas, especially: Center Frequency of use 14.25 MHz element length height 1 209.46 927.1 feed element 2 198.25 973.97 3 172.78 822.86 4 219.83 964.4 5 185.53 922.4 Did you get bored with a gaussian bundle? When I threw 4 of the 5 wires away, the gain sprang right up and it came closer to match. But that would make it inefficient, wouldn't it? 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC |
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John Smith wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote: When I am proved wrong, I immediately switch sides and hope that nobody remembers me being wrong. :-) Isn't that SOP? (standard operating procedure) Not for an omniscient guru who already knows everything and is therefore incapable of ever being wrong. :-) -- 73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com |
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What I don't understand Tom is that Richard has a brain and yet he
stoops to this kind of behaviour which is usually the path of people incapable of individual thought. The latter I sympathise with and do not feel the need to respond to and ofcourse there is always the evil person lurking around that is filled with hate.For my part I was astonished as to how this group regarded the idea of a diiferent antenna aproach which has now been accepted by better qualified people that you find on this group. I have spoken to people who have known Richard and all say the same thing he is discruntled with life and .. well I wont go into that.But even as amateurs we are all interested in antennas and when yet when one comes along it is rejected without one iota of intelligent educational discussion or thought of delving into just a cacaphony of insults from those who have mistaken anticipation that all is known, at least with this group. Not everybody has the opportunity of getting an education and many are not capable of absorbing it thinking that they know everything that is important. Ofcourse when you read about it you can always take the stance that Roy takes i.e. I don't understand which can change later when it becomes more fully understood. Amateur radio is a hobby for all types of people mostly old guys angry at the thought of change or dying but that is not a reason that thinking people can't get together and discuss a niche in the hobby in the search of knoweledge knowing that knoweledge alone does not lead to miraicles. Sometimes this group reminds me of a statement I heard years ago. "The sporadics are fighting again" Art onishedTom Donaly wrote: art wrote: . Art was being an invidious pig and I called him on it. snip and I was responding to an invidious pig When he stops these snide attacks on me then things like this wouldn't happen Richard declined my hand on all this because he says he enjoyes it So as somebody said I am not here to be a lump on a log that people feel they must take a hack at. Tom you have been around this group for a long time and know how Richard is and I am determined not to be trashed into oblivion like CHIP in the face of attacks from him , Roy and others. You only have to go back a few posts to see examples of his trash towards me and I will retaliate, anyway I can until he stops..... His choice 73, Tom Donaly, KA6RUH Calm down, Art. Reg Edwards (PBUH) managed to stay in good humor when he was the recipient of Richard's little bons mots, and you can do at least as well as Reg in this regard. Chip managed to hold his own without sinking to the level of a thirteen year old, and you can do that too. (Although a few of Chip's alter egos were pretty far gone on the puerile side.) You should emulate Cecil. He has the hide of a Texas rhinoceros and never loses an argument (he never wins one, either). As for your feelings about San Francisco, it's not like you think it is, and even if it were, at your age no one's going to ask you to play drop-the-soap no matter how eager you might be to join the fun. 73, Tom Donaly, KA6RUH |
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Richard you can't change your spots that quickly. I am confident of
what I was talking about and I know you have a brain so I need some convincing as to what you are really up to before I respond in kind. You have turned so many times as you have drawn me into discussions that I have no interest in joining you down there in digging a hole since life is good from where I stand. I tried sharing and it didn't work so you can write a critical article after you read what I have found. Your confirmation is not important in my life.Why don't you dunk my posts so this silliness can come to a stop? Find your jollies elswhere. Richard Clark wrote: On 11 Dec 2006 16:25:36 -0800, "art" wrote: Richard, we get bored at some of your comments Hi Art, I can also see that you are bored with antennas, especially: Center Frequency of use 14.25 MHz element length height 1 209.46 927.1 feed element 2 198.25 973.97 3 172.78 822.86 4 219.83 964.4 5 185.53 922.4 Did you get bored with a gaussian bundle? When I threw 4 of the 5 wires away, the gain sprang right up and it came closer to match. But that would make it inefficient, wouldn't it? 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC |
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Cecil Moore wrote:
... Not for an omniscient guru who already knows everything and is therefore incapable of ever being wrong. :-) ... Cecil: Been there, done that ... :( Regards, JS |
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Cecil, you don't have to postulate a non linear breakdown within the
dielectric to explain the transfer of energy from the charged particle striking the surface of the insulation to the free electrons on the wire... Capacitance will handle that nicely... As you stated, a thicker insulator makes a quieter antenna under static conditions... Capacity effect would seem to answer that... If you don't like that, a charged particle striking the dielectric surface suffers an abrupt change in motion... A charge changing motion has it's own method of talking to us... And, lastly, we have not roundly beaten the water droplet for dripping off the antenna and taking a charge with it... "Bartenner, I'll have one, hic, for the road."... denny / k8do |
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art wrote:
What I don't understand Tom is that Richard has a brain and yet he stoops to this kind of behaviour which is usually the path of people incapable of individual thought. The latter I sympathise with and do not feel the need to respond to and ofcourse there is always the evil person lurking around that is filled with hate.For my part I was astonished as to how this group regarded the idea of a diiferent antenna aproach which has now been accepted by better qualified people that you find on this group. I have spoken to people who have known Richard and all say the same thing he is discruntled with life and .. well I wont go into that.But even as amateurs we are all interested in antennas and when yet when one comes along it is rejected without one iota of intelligent educational discussion or thought of delving into just a cacaphony of insults from those who have mistaken anticipation that all is known, at least with this group. Not everybody has the opportunity of getting an education and many are not capable of absorbing it thinking that they know everything that is important. Ofcourse when you read about it you can always take the stance that Roy takes i.e. I don't understand which can change later when it becomes more fully understood. Amateur radio is a hobby for all types of people mostly old guys angry at the thought of change or dying but that is not a reason that thinking people can't get together and discuss a niche in the hobby in the search of knoweledge knowing that knoweledge alone does not lead to miraicles. Sometimes this group reminds me of a statement I heard years ago. "The sporadics are fighting again" Art onishedTom Donaly wrote: art wrote: . Art was being an invidious pig and I called him on it. snip and I was responding to an invidious pig When he stops these snide attacks on me then things like this wouldn't happen Richard declined my hand on all this because he says he enjoyes it So as somebody said I am not here to be a lump on a log that people feel they must take a hack at. Tom you have been around this group for a long time and know how Richard is and I am determined not to be trashed into oblivion like CHIP in the face of attacks from him , Roy and others. You only have to go back a few posts to see examples of his trash towards me and I will retaliate, anyway I can until he stops..... His choice 73, Tom Donaly, KA6RUH Calm down, Art. Reg Edwards (PBUH) managed to stay in good humor when he was the recipient of Richard's little bons mots, and you can do at least as well as Reg in this regard. Chip managed to hold his own without sinking to the level of a thirteen year old, and you can do that too. (Although a few of Chip's alter egos were pretty far gone on the puerile side.) You should emulate Cecil. He has the hide of a Texas rhinoceros and never loses an argument (he never wins one, either). As for your feelings about San Francisco, it's not like you think it is, and even if it were, at your age no one's going to ask you to play drop-the-soap no matter how eager you might be to join the fun. 73, Tom Donaly, KA6RUH Hi Art, One of the most difficult things in life to do, for those blessed with a creative mind, is to learn how to communicate ideas to those who are not similarly gifted. Your ideas are interesting, but in order to appreciate them one has to learn to think in a different manner with a different part of the brain than most people are accustomed to using. You should be more pitying than angry at those who don't understand. Just inventing something isn't the end of the process. Explaining and defending are the hard parts. You can do this better if you don't allow yourself to be riled by those who don't agree with you. 73, Tom Donaly, KA6RUH |
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So Art, I take it you are impling that people from San Francisco have
something to be ashamed of just because they are from their or even people who visited there should be ashamed of having visited there. Whats your problem with SF, its a wonderful city. "art" wrote in message oups.com... I suppose if it fits you then you blend in and are accepted I didn,t want to be accepted I suppose don't ask don't tell rules Jimmie D wrote: Funny I have a San Francisco T and NOBODY giggles at me when I wear it. Maybe its not the shirt. "art" wrote in message oups.com... I remember being stranded at Chicago O Hare airport because of snow conditions so I wasted time by putting my baggage in a cart and walked around. While doing this some people were giggling and I didnt know why until I realised that I had donned a sweater to keep warm and it had spread across the front .............SAN FRANCISCO............ Do you think I went back and asked them why they was giggling? I knew why..... so I took off the sweater and went for a nice cup of coffe with a smile to myself. Would you like to have that sweater,? I doubt it |
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I know it is a great city and I have travelled more than a few
countries BUT it does have a reputation, ,it was not given to it they fought for it. The idea of .. well enough said Art Jimmie D wrote: So Art, I take it you are impling that people from San Francisco have something to be ashamed of just because they are from their or even people who visited there should be ashamed of having visited there. Whats your problem with SF, its a wonderful city. "art" wrote in message oups.com... I suppose if it fits you then you blend in and are accepted I didn,t want to be accepted I suppose don't ask don't tell rules Jimmie D wrote: Funny I have a San Francisco T and NOBODY giggles at me when I wear it. Maybe its not the shirt. "art" wrote in message oups.com... I remember being stranded at Chicago O Hare airport because of snow conditions so I wasted time by putting my baggage in a cart and walked around. While doing this some people were giggling and I didnt know why until I realised that I had donned a sweater to keep warm and it had spread across the front .............SAN FRANCISCO............ Do you think I went back and asked them why they was giggling? I knew why..... so I took off the sweater and went for a nice cup of coffe with a smile to myself. Would you like to have that sweater,? I doubt it |
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I know it is a great city and I have travelled more than a few
countries BUT it does have a reputation, ,it was not given to it they fought for it. The idea of .. well enough said Art Jimmie D wrote: So Art, I take it you are impling that people from San Francisco have something to be ashamed of just because they are from their or even people who visited there should be ashamed of having visited there. Whats your problem with SF, its a wonderful city. "art" wrote in message oups.com... I suppose if it fits you then you blend in and are accepted I didn,t want to be accepted I suppose don't ask don't tell rules Jimmie D wrote: Funny I have a San Francisco T and NOBODY giggles at me when I wear it. Maybe its not the shirt. "art" wrote in message oups.com... I remember being stranded at Chicago O Hare airport because of snow conditions so I wasted time by putting my baggage in a cart and walked around. While doing this some people were giggling and I didnt know why until I realised that I had donned a sweater to keep warm and it had spread across the front .............SAN FRANCISCO............ Do you think I went back and asked them why they was giggling? I knew why..... so I took off the sweater and went for a nice cup of coffe with a smile to myself. Would you like to have that sweater,? I doubt it |
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They who, Art do you even realize that in order to insult one person you
have insulted everyone who as ever lived in San Fransico, everyone who has ever visited there, and everyone who would even like to live or vist there. You are truly deserving of the TRACTOR AWARD. "art" wrote in message ps.com... I know it is a great city and I have travelled more than a few countries BUT it does have a reputation, ,it was not given to it they fought for it. The idea of .. well enough said Art Jimmie D wrote: So Art, I take it you are impling that people from San Francisco have something to be ashamed of just because they are from their or even people who visited there should be ashamed of having visited there. Whats your problem with SF, its a wonderful city. "art" wrote in message oups.com... I suppose if it fits you then you blend in and are accepted I didn,t want to be accepted I suppose don't ask don't tell rules Jimmie D wrote: Funny I have a San Francisco T and NOBODY giggles at me when I wear it. Maybe its not the shirt. "art" wrote in message oups.com... I remember being stranded at Chicago O Hare airport because of snow conditions so I wasted time by putting my baggage in a cart and walked around. While doing this some people were giggling and I didnt know why until I realised that I had donned a sweater to keep warm and it had spread across the front .............SAN FRANCISCO............ Do you think I went back and asked them why they was giggling? I knew why..... so I took off the sweater and went for a nice cup of coffe with a smile to myself. Would you like to have that sweater,? I doubt it |
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Tom Donaly wrote: art wrote: What I don't understand Tom is that Richard has a brain and yet he stoops to this kind of behaviour which is usually the path of people incapable of individual thought. The latter I sympathise with and do not feel the need to respond to and ofcourse there is always the evil person lurking around that is filled with hate.For my part I was astonished as to how this group regarded the idea of a diiferent antenna aproach which has now been accepted by better qualified people that you find on this group. I have spoken to people who have known Richard and all say the same thing he is discruntled with life and .. well I wont go into that.But even as amateurs we are all interested in antennas and when yet when one comes along it is rejected without one iota of intelligent educational discussion or thought of delving into just a cacaphony of insults from those who have mistaken anticipation that all is known, at least with this group. Not everybody has the opportunity of getting an education and many are not capable of absorbing it thinking that they know everything that is important. Ofcourse when you read about it you can always take the stance that Roy takes i.e. I don't understand which can change later when it becomes more fully understood. Amateur radio is a hobby for all types of people mostly old guys angry at the thought of change or dying but that is not a reason that thinking people can't get together and discuss a niche in the hobby in the search of knoweledge knowing that knoweledge alone does not lead to miraicles. Sometimes this group reminds me of a statement I heard years ago. "The sporadics are fighting again" Art onishedTom Donaly wrote: art wrote: . Art was being an invidious pig and I called him on it. snip and I was responding to an invidious pig When he stops these snide attacks on me then things like this wouldn't happen Richard declined my hand on all this because he says he enjoyes it So as somebody said I am not here to be a lump on a log that people feel they must take a hack at. Tom you have been around this group for a long time and know how Richard is and I am determined not to be trashed into oblivion like CHIP in the face of attacks from him , Roy and others. You only have to go back a few posts to see examples of his trash towards me and I will retaliate, anyway I can until he stops..... His choice 73, Tom Donaly, KA6RUH Calm down, Art. Reg Edwards (PBUH) managed to stay in good humor when he was the recipient of Richard's little bons mots, and you can do at least as well as Reg in this regard. Chip managed to hold his own without sinking to the level of a thirteen year old, and you can do that too. (Although a few of Chip's alter egos were pretty far gone on the puerile side.) You should emulate Cecil. He has the hide of a Texas rhinoceros and never loses an argument (he never wins one, either). As for your feelings about San Francisco, it's not like you think it is, and even if it were, at your age no one's going to ask you to play drop-the-soap no matter how eager you might be to join the fun. 73, Tom Donaly, KA6RUH Hi Art, One of the most difficult things in life to do, for those blessed with a creative mind, is to learn how to communicate ideas to those who are not similarly gifted. Your ideas are interesting, No they are not, at least to this group. When I share my thoughts it only takes one posting before the onslaught starts. If there was any interest one person would have said hold on Art explain such and such before you move on but that sort of thing doesn't happen because peoples minds are closed but they also want to be heard. Look at Slow code frankly I think he is suicidal and grasping at straws so he can be helped in some way.There have been many experts that have fled this group and it is leaving a void. Sometimes when I want to share an idea I am looking for further knoweledge on the subject to see where I went wrong, in other words to get honest debate going which allows one to tolerate the other stuff. The name of this group implies debate on antennas but some see different things that attract them to this group and for me it is not getting that hard to see. Seems like every day you hear..........Lets get ready to RUMBLE. Go back to my last thread and then judge if what I am saying is true. And you know what over the years it has just been three people who gets these personal assaults going, two of them have brains and the other just likes to swear and argue and threaten people.as far as brains he states he has them but wont show the evidence but in order to appreciate them one has to learn to think in a different manner with a different part of the brain than most people are accustomed to using. You should be more pitying than angry at those who don't understand. Just inventing something isn't the end of the process. Explaining and defending are the hard parts. You can do this better if you don't allow yourself to be riled by those who don't agree with you. 73, Tom Donaly, KA6RUH |
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On 12 Dec 2006 08:49:58 -0800, "art" wrote:
I need some convincing as to what you are really up to before I respond in kind. Hi Art, You are right, the model: Center Frequency of use 14.25 MHz element length height 1 209.46 927.1 feed element 2 198.25 973.97 3 172.78 822.86 4 219.83 964.4 5 185.53 922.4 makes no sense whatever in terms of being optimized or efficient. There is NO convincing it for you to have to respond to. 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC |
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Jimmie, thank you for your consideration, thank you for the award
thank you for posting and sharing your thoughts Now about your antenna or do you prefer to stretch this thread out and string everybody along with you? Jimmie D wrote: They who, Art do you even realize that in order to insult one person you have insulted everyone who as ever lived in San Fransico, everyone who has ever visited there, and everyone who would even like to live or vist there. You are truly deserving of the TRACTOR AWARD. "art" wrote in message ps.com... I know it is a great city and I have travelled more than a few countries BUT it does have a reputation, ,it was not given to it they fought for it. The idea of .. well enough said Art Jimmie D wrote: So Art, I take it you are impling that people from San Francisco have something to be ashamed of just because they are from their or even people who visited there should be ashamed of having visited there. Whats your problem with SF, its a wonderful city. "art" wrote in message oups.com... I suppose if it fits you then you blend in and are accepted I didn,t want to be accepted I suppose don't ask don't tell rules Jimmie D wrote: Funny I have a San Francisco T and NOBODY giggles at me when I wear it. Maybe its not the shirt. "art" wrote in message oups.com... I remember being stranded at Chicago O Hare airport because of snow conditions so I wasted time by putting my baggage in a cart and walked around. While doing this some people were giggling and I didnt know why until I realised that I had donned a sweater to keep warm and it had spread across the front .............SAN FRANCISCO............ Do you think I went back and asked them why they was giggling? I knew why..... so I took off the sweater and went for a nice cup of coffe with a smile to myself. Would you like to have that sweater,? I doubt it |
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On 12 Dec 2006 04:00:45 -0800, "Denny" wrote:
YUP! I liked that phrase and shamelessly stole it, right in broad daylight in front of a crowd of onlookers. ... - and Mama said I'd never amount to anything . . . jeez... denny Richard Clark wrote: antenna is a "convertor" You are robbing Art's rice bowl. Hi Denny, Lack of shame does not bring notoriety like it used to. That coin, which was SOP inside the beltway, has lost its glitter. You have to be more creative: A convertor consists of a resister, capaciter, and inducter expressed in terms of a gaussion sweater theory. What would yo Mama say 'bout that? 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC |
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Cecil, can you state that if an antenna is in the house one would not
hear static? I seem to remember that when I was at the top of a mountain in a rain forest I put the antenna inside the car but the noise was S9 plus.... no communication could get thru Bearing this in mind static noise was radiated to the antenna was it not? So why cannot a droplet falling at 32 ft per sec sq not produce radiation or if it impacts a dielectric transfer a electric charge with curl? Isnt this lightning on a small scale? What I am getting at I suppose is if the antenna is protected from the environment and gets static noise surely it is a radiaated phenomina. IR antennas have never stated that their antenna was immune to static! Cecil Moore wrote: Deni F5VJC wrote: So, I guess my verical wire is quite well insulated and certainly not in contact with charged rain. We've had particularly heavy rainstorms lately in France and this is definitely rain or rain induced static., starting and stopping in sympathy with the rain storms very easy to identify. Is anything about your antenna in contact with charged rain? Your noise problem might have the same cause as lightning, i.e. the global atmospheric electrical circuit. You might be experiencing simple corona discharge. -- 73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com |
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Did you get bored with a gaussian bundle? Richard Clark, KB7QHC Seems I have at least heard of Gaussian bundle, Is this anything like a freznel. Dont you just love it the way threads ramble, kind of like a word association game. Jimmie |
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On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:39:55 -0500, "Jimmie D"
wrote: Did you get bored with a gaussian bundle? Richard Clark, KB7QHC Seems I have at least heard of Gaussian bundle, Is this anything like a freznel. Hi Jimmie, Fresnel? Why not a non-linear medium yielding a Kerr Soliton? Having said that, what does it: 1. Demonstrate? 2. Prove? 3. Bear any relevance to? Grab any equation and you can tweak it until it fails and a new physics is born. This is turning into a rice bowl that feeds the multitudes. 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC |
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