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Jim Kelley wrote:
If the length of the second were different, then so would be the speed
of light ...

Cesium clocks at sea level, on a mountain top, and
in an airplane all measure different lengths of the
second. Are you saying the speed of light is different
at those three locations?
--
73, Cecil, http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

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Cecil Moore wrote:
Jim Kelley wrote:
If the second were "smaller", then light could obviously no longer
travel 3x10^8 of our meters in one of them.

It is the frequency that is red-shifted, not the
velocity. A shorter second results in a lower
frequency. Relativity won't allow the velocity
of light to change but everything else changes
including meters and seconds.


Quantum mechanics does however:


http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2..._stoplight.htm

On a more humble level, Light changes speed as it passes through
different mediums, such as water.


- 73 de Mike KB3EIA -

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On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 12:26:48 -0500, Michael Coslo
wrote:

On a more humble level, Light changes speed as it passes through
different mediums, such as water.

WOW!

According to Cecileo, does this mean that time slows down (speeds up?)
TOO? Does the Vatican know about this?

Must be why bath time is resisted by so many children.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

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Richard Clark wrote:
According to Cecileo, does this mean that time slows down ...

It means that light travels at the speed of light,
no matter what. One thing had to be nailed down
and Einstein chose the speed of light.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

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On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 18:40:10 GMT, Cecil Moore
wrote:

Richard Clark wrote:
According to Cecileo, does this mean that time slows down ...

It means that light travels at the speed of light,
no matter what. One thing had to be nailed down
and Einstein chose the speed of light.

So Einstein is responsible for both setting the speed of light AND
time slowing down?

Is this a case of Einstein is all and Cecileo is his prophet? No
wonder the Vatican is turning the screws. Take two excedrin and write
us again in the morning if your thumbs don't hurt.

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Richard Clark wrote:
So Einstein is responsible for both setting the speed of light AND
time slowing down?

In a way, the answer is "yes". If the length of a second
is inviolate, then the speed-of-light is not a constant
since those are contradictory concepts.

A system of physics could have been based on an "absolute
objective second" of time, but it results in a total package
with a lot of problems as yet unsolved. An absolute velocity
of light in a vacuum seems to solve a lot of those problems
but results in length being a variable and time being a
variable while length and time are the dimensions of velocity.

Personally, I think everything is a variable and therefore,
there are no constants, except of course, for your constant
kibitzing. :-)
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

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On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 20:07:02 GMT, Cecil Moore
wrote:
So Einstein is responsible for both setting the speed of light AND
time slowing down?

In a way, the answer is "yes".

And now that he has been dead for 50 years, is it safe to say years
given he was responsible for the speed of light AND time slowing down?

Was in it fact a moment ago that he died? Or should that be an Æon?

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

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Richard Clark wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote:
So Einstein is responsible for both setting the speed of light AND
time slowing down?
In a way, the answer is "yes".

And now that he has been dead for 50 years, is it safe to say years
given he was responsible for the speed of light AND time slowing down?

I addressed that very point in the part that you
deleted. So I must ask: What was your ulterior
motive in those deliberate deletions? Are you
unwilling (or incapable) of discussing the
actual subject of this "thread gone astray"?

Is this akin to your assertion that the reflection
from a piece of anti-reflective coating of glass
is brighter than the surface of the sun?
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

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On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 14:27:48 -0600, Cecil Moore
wrote:

So Einstein is responsible for both setting the speed of light AND
time slowing down?
In a way, the answer is "yes".

And now that he has been dead for 50 years, is it safe to say years
given he was responsible for the speed of light AND time slowing down?

I addressed that very point in the part that you
deleted.

Hmm, research reveals nothing of your having said anything about
Einstein's death. Nothing about his being responsible for the speed
of light, and certainly nothing about his being responsible for
slowing time down.

Instead of making bland exclamations, can you actually offer us facts
that Einstein is responsible for both setting the speed of light AND
time slowing down? This God-like quality that you have invested in
him and then taken some of it away with the equivocation of
In a way, the answer is "yes".
doesn't really say anything does it?

The world waits in wonder at your assertion of Einstein's ability to
set the speed of light and time - especially when it had been
investigated and quantified by many earlier workers, notably Michelson
and Morely.

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On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 13:40:45 -0800, Richard Clark
wrote:

The world waits in wonder at your assertion of Einstein's ability to
set the speed of light and time - especially when it had been
investigated and quantified by many earlier workers, notably Michelson
and Morely.

Hi All,

Well it stands to reason there is nothing to be said in this regard

On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 18:40:10 GMT, Cecil Moore
wrote:
One thing had to be nailed down and Einstein chose the speed of light.

as Einstein was never responsible for any such thing.

Fact of the matter was previous to Michelson and Morely's work, a
Scottish fellow by the name of Maxwell had already DEFINED the speed
of light. Michelson and Morely merely confirmed it in the absence of
a disturbing Æther. Their confirmation merely extended the
experimental resolution of a quantity already known.

Instead, Einstein took Maxwell's DEFINED speed of light, and observed
that it would be constant in any Inertial Frame of Reference. This
means that the same beam of light (whose source or origin is
immaterial) is measured in a fixed frame (nonsense of course, but this
is Einstein's thought experiment), it will be equally determined by a
moving frame.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC