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[email protected] March 2nd 07 04:47 AM

EZNEC and Linux
 
On Feb 22, 7:27 am, Bob Miller wrote:
On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 20:16:27 -0800, David Ryeburn
wrote:

...



Ironically if I were to get an Intel Mac, one of the programs I could no
longer use is the lean, mean 1992 Mac version of MS Word 5.1a, still
working nicely after 15 years on my year 2001 computer. This program
runs faster and better under Classic (i.e. Mac OS 9) within Mac OS X
than it ever did in the old days. Two layers of emulation are going on
here -- OS X is emulating OS 9, and the PowerPC version of OS 9 is
emulating a 680x0 CPU on a PPC chip (G5, G4, G3, or earlier) -- Word 5
was written before the days of the PPC chips. Classic is not readily
available for Intel Macs (there are semi-satisfactory hacks which make
it sort of work).


David, ex-W8EZE


I remember Word v. 5; now, if you could get Wordstar 3.3 to run on a
Mac, that'd be something :-)

bob
k5qwg



I'm still using netscape 3.01 to read my e-mail... I like the lesser
amount of
clutter vs the bloated new versions of readers. Also, fairly immune to
the
security problems that can plaque MS exploder.
But I'm pretty much a windows user...XP at the moment.. No plans to
get Vista anytime soon.. The main reason I'm stuck to windows is the
flight simulator requires it.
But.. I also like it because all my sound card programs, etc run off
the
same sound config. No swapping around junk like the old DOS days.
My puter is also my TV/Video recorder, etc too these days.. All
windows
based.. I've never once run Linux yet.. They never had any app's that
were interesting to me.. Or at least nothing that wouldn't run on
windows.
Neither it, or Mac runs a decent flight sim.. And like I say, my puter
is
79% airplane... In fact, the flight sim is why I first bought a
computer in
the first place. I never really had much use for one before that.
I'm running a P4 at 3.15 ghz, and to me, it's a dated system... :/
I'm nearing upgrade time again. Course now, it's a duo core, etc,
vs the usual ramp up in clock speed you used to do.. I'm waiting
as long as I can.. Maybe end up with a quad core or whatever..
The longer I wait, the more I get for my $$$..
I also need a lot of drive space since I started recording loads of
video. I have 240 gig's, and it's always full.. I need about 500 gigs
more just to get a little breathing room. My problem is, I'm lazy,
and
I record more movies than I edit and burn to disk.. So they stack up
on me.. Editing and burning gets to be a time consuming chore I don't
really like too much.. Or at least, I can think of better things to
do.
MK


Geoffrey S. Mendelson March 2nd 07 07:31 AM

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art wrote:
The bottom line should be is EZNEC accurate? Has the programming been
held within the confines provided by the original provider'
the U.S. government. Who overseas the content of this so called
program. If it has a patent then all would or should be revealed
in the patent disclosure.


No. A patent must disclose enough of the method so that someone
"versed in the art" of programing could reproduce it. That's pretty
vague. I might be able to look at the patent and reproduce or better
the process easily, while you look at it and scratch your head. Or vice
versa.

Obviously the more complete a patent application is and the simpler it
is to understand, the more likely it is to be granted and the easier it
will be to explain to a jury in an infringment case. It does not
need to be simple or easy to understand and most are not.

Then as you alluded to later in your comments, there is the whole problem
of implementation. Without a lot of effort, a home computer version of
most scientific programs will produce meaningless results due to
lack of precision.

Experienced scientific and engineering programers know this and compensate.
"Teach yourself Visual whatever in a week" programmers don't.

The biggest problem with visual whatever programmers is they tend to
be seduced by the flashy interface and ignore the substance under it.

Caveat Emptor.

Geoff.
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Owen Duffy March 2nd 07 07:47 AM

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(Geoffrey S. Mendelson) wrote in
:

....
Experienced scientific and engineering programers know this and
compensate. "Teach yourself Visual whatever in a week" programmers
don't.

The biggest problem with visual whatever programmers is they tend to
be seduced by the flashy interface and ignore the substance under it.


As an experienced scientific / engineering software developer, I suggest
that much the same issues exist in a conventional 3GL language as in the
"Visual xxx" environment. Good software doesn't just happen, it takes
(aside of the relatively trivial task of writing the functional
elements), huge effort in dealing with exceptions, and testing, testing,
testing.

If you dig deep into the source of Fortran programs, you will often find
the heritage of small memory and slow processors in days gone by, where
implementers used COMMON for variables to reduce memory use, and used
COMMON for passing parameters to avoid the overhead of parameter passing
function calls. This practice was, IMHO, the greatest risk to accuracy in
such programs, and the area that demanded the greatest attention to
design and documentation. The public NEC2 code uses COMMON, and the last
bug that I demonstrated in a C port of the code was related to messed up
parameter passing in COMMON.

So, the old 3GL world wasn't that good anyway!

Owen

Cecil Moore March 2nd 07 02:01 PM

EZNEC and Linux
 
wrote:
I'm still using netscape 3.01 to read my e-mail...


I switched from Netscape when they dropped the
newsreader function. I now use Thunderbird and
I like it.
--
73, Cecil
http://www.w5dxp.com

Yuri Blanarovich March 2nd 07 02:32 PM

EZNEC and Linux
 

"art" wrote in message
oups.com...
On 1 Mar, 06:41, Jon Kåre Hellan wrote:
John Smith I writes:

Dan Andersson wrote:


...
So if someone sits on the VB code for EZNEC, just rebuild it .Mono on
Linux
BUT LINK IT STATICALLY! This means the code will run on almost all
varietys
of Linux!
//Dan, M0DFI


My gawd man. Let us hope no serious program is ever written in Visual
Basic!


Oh, I forgot, some idiots did do that, didn't they?


I don't think that was called for.

We may like Linux, but programming just for Windows doesn't make
somebody an idiot.

73 de LA4RT Jon, Trondheim, Norway


The bottom line should be is EZNEC accurate? Has the programming been
held within the confines provided by the original provider'
the U.S. government. Who overseas the content of this so called
program. If it has a patent then all would or should be revealed
in the patent disclosure. Has anybody taken this for his own use for
the advancement of science which is the reason for patents?
Has anybody upgraded the assigned patent for the sake of science
or has something not been disclosed to prevent true examination
and as such invalidates the patent? Does the government have the
option of review of all algorithms or are they in the same position
the country is with voting machines? Basically the purchaser is really
in the position of caveat emptor especially since all programs provide
different results!
Art

Art,
wouldn't it be better if you picked knitting or bird watching?
You would not have to deal with all of us morons and overseas governments
that don't get your brilliance.

bada BUm



John Smith I March 2nd 07 02:53 PM

EZNEC and Linux
 
Cecil Moore wrote:
wrote:
I'm still using netscape 3.01 to read my e-mail...


I switched from Netscape when they dropped the
newsreader function. I now use Thunderbird and
I like it.


T-bird is the bomb! The mail/news/rss reader--NOT the drink!

JS
--
http://assemblywizard.tekcities.com

art March 2nd 07 03:05 PM

EZNEC and Linux
 
On 1 Mar, 23:47, Owen Duffy wrote:
(Geoffrey S. Mendelson) wrote :

...

Experienced scientific and engineering programers know this and
compensate. "Teach yourself Visual whatever in a week" programmers
don't.


The biggest problem with visual whatever programmers is they tend to
be seduced by the flashy interface and ignore the substance under it.


As an experienced scientific / engineering software developer, I suggest
that much the same issues exist in a conventional 3GL language as in the
"Visual xxx" environment. Good software doesn't just happen, it takes
(aside of the relatively trivial task of writing the functional
elements), huge effort in dealing with exceptions, and testing, testing,
testing.

If you dig deep into the source of Fortran programs, you will often find
the heritage of small memory and slow processors in days gone by, where
implementers used COMMON for variables to reduce memory use, and used
COMMON for passing parameters to avoid the overhead of parameter passing
function calls. This practice was, IMHO, the greatest risk to accuracy in
such programs, and the area that demanded the greatest attention to
design and documentation. The public NEC2 code uses COMMON, and the last
bug that I demonstrated in a C port of the code was related to messed up
parameter passing in COMMON.

So, the old 3GL world wasn't that good anyway!

Owen


All very interesting Geoffrey and Owen and really it all adds up that
we need more supervision of programmers when they pupport to be
experts. I have used AO for many many years all with the understanding
that the author had his work hacked that forced him
to give up merchandising the effort. So for many years I used the
program on the basis if I didn't like the answer then ignor the
result. Time has shown that with all these so called antenna programs
all users are doing the same thing.....if you don't like the response
then it is garbage in garbage out and I was as guilty as everybody
else.It was for that reason I put a program test on this newsgroup
such that the results given normally would raise eyebrows. Even asked
Arie to check his but only silence reigned which emphasises that
people are just lazy or choose to remain silent when un unsuitable
answer occurrs.( This also emphasises what a great job W4RLN is doing
for ham radio where he points out where all the programs differ and
who he perceives as correct To me it shows that the human mind really
only believes what he wants to believe
so a program with high gain results is the best seller even tho
inaccurate.
Art


Cecil Moore March 2nd 07 03:32 PM

EZNEC and Linux
 
John Smith I wrote:
T-bird is the bomb!


Is a bomb good or bad? :-)
--
73, Cecil, http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

Michael Coslo March 2nd 07 04:08 PM

EZNEC and Linux
 
Owen Duffy wrote:
(Geoffrey S. Mendelson) wrote in
:

...
Experienced scientific and engineering programers know this and
compensate. "Teach yourself Visual whatever in a week" programmers
don't.

The biggest problem with visual whatever programmers is they tend to
be seduced by the flashy interface and ignore the substance under it.


As an experienced scientific / engineering software developer, I suggest
that much the same issues exist in a conventional 3GL language as in the
"Visual xxx" environment. Good software doesn't just happen, it takes
(aside of the relatively trivial task of writing the functional
elements), huge effort in dealing with exceptions, and testing, testing,
testing.

If you dig deep into the source of Fortran programs, you will often find
the heritage of small memory and slow processors in days gone by, where
implementers used COMMON for variables to reduce memory use, and used
COMMON for passing parameters to avoid the overhead of parameter passing
function calls. This practice was, IMHO, the greatest risk to accuracy in
such programs, and the area that demanded the greatest attention to
design and documentation. The public NEC2 code uses COMMON, and the last
bug that I demonstrated in a C port of the code was related to messed up
parameter passing in COMMON.

So, the old 3GL world wasn't that good anyway!


Agreed Owen. Perhaps the detractors who don't believe that good
software can be written in VB could give us some concrete examples of
the languages fatal flaws? I've seen nasty stuff in the "good" languages
programs


Programmers may deny it, but they are as vulnerable to "Ford versus
Chevy" type arguments as the best beer swillin', baccy chewin', good ol
boys down at the corner gas station.

- 73 de Mike KB3EIA -

Michael Coslo March 2nd 07 04:10 PM

EZNEC and Linux
 
Cecil Moore wrote:
John Smith I wrote:
T-bird is the bomb!


Is a bomb good or bad? :-)



Is bad good or bad? ;^)

- 73 de Mike KB3EIA -


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