Gaussian statics law
 

On 22 Apr, 13:59, "Dave" wrote:
"art" wrote in message

oups.com...
Remember Gausses law was based on static particles

at rest not caring one iota upon the dormant parts on what they are
resting on or part of by describing them being in a state of
equilibrium with a state of potential energy.

the only antenna with particles at rest is one that isn't transmitting or
receiving... not much use in my opinion.

Your opinion is noted David. What other quotations of the masters do
you feel should be dissed in your opinion ?
Art

Gaussian statics law
 

Art wrote:
"Again, Richard you are taking things out of context since the arrays
referred to were not in equilibrium.'

I noted no acceleration nor motion. As a firm believer in the
conservation of energy I`m sure that the antenna, on average, received
no more energy than it emitted or conducted away. That is balance or
equilibrium.

Art also wrote:
"Terman was referring to close spaced of the parasitic form, even
mentions corner reflectors."

Yes, and he also mentions the Yagi array. But I believe Terman meant to
say the best antenna gains of the day, for the antenna`s size,
regardless of direct or parasitic drive, were obtained from corner
reflector and Yagi antennas. That hasn`t changed but it certainly may.
But, Kraus, whose invention, the W8JK array, has two dipole elements
spaced 0.125 wavelengths apart and driven 180-degrees out of phase,
certainly has no parasitic element. That was certainly on his mind when
he wrote the comments on page 185 in "Antennas". On the facing page,
184, he diagrams two antennas, the W8JK and a stack of two dipoles which
are driven in-phase, not out-of phase like the W8JK.

Low radiation resistance is a consequence of tight coupling between the
closely-spaced elements. This makes the coupling to the array likely
lossy in making impedance transformations necessary to match the array
to the transmission line. Kraus has some suggestions on how to make
these arrays more compatible with their transmission lines.

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI

Gaussian statics law
 

"Richard Harrison" wrote in message
...
Art wrote:
"Again, Richard you are taking things out of context since the arrays
referred to were not in equilibrium.'

I noted no acceleration nor motion. As a firm believer in the
conservation of energy I`m sure that the antenna, on average, received
no more energy than it emitted or conducted away. That is balance or
equilibrium.

Art also wrote:
"Terman was referring to close spaced of the parasitic form, even
mentions corner reflectors."

Yes, and he also mentions the Yagi array. But I believe Terman meant to
say the best antenna gains of the day, for the antenna`s size,
regardless of direct or parasitic drive, were obtained from corner
reflector and Yagi antennas. That hasn`t changed but it certainly may.
But, Kraus, whose invention, the W8JK array, has two dipole elements
spaced 0.125 wavelengths apart and driven 180-degrees out of phase,
certainly has no parasitic element. That was certainly on his mind when
he wrote the comments on page 185 in "Antennas". On the facing page,
184, he diagrams two antennas, the W8JK and a stack of two dipoles which
are driven in-phase, not out-of phase like the W8JK.

Low radiation resistance is a consequence of tight coupling between the
closely-spaced elements. This makes the coupling to the array likely
lossy in making impedance transformations necessary to match the array
to the transmission line. Kraus has some suggestions on how to make
these arrays more compatible with their transmission lines.

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI


I f this were a hospital you couldnt distinguish the doctors from the
patients.. LMAO

Jimmie

Gaussian statics law
 

On 22 Apr, 15:34, (Richard Harrison) wrote:
Art wrote:

"Again, Richard you are taking things out of context since the arrays
referred to were not in equilibrium.'

I noted no acceleration nor motion. As a firm believer in the
conservation of energy I`m sure that the antenna, on average, received
no more energy than it emitted or conducted away. That is balance or
equilibrium.

No Richard that is called reprocity not equilibrium. Getting desparate
aren't you?

Art also wrote:

"Terman was referring to close spaced of the parasitic form, even
mentions corner reflectors."

Yes, and he also mentions the Yagi array. But I believe Terman meant to
say
So he didn't say what you think he meant to say.......hmmm!

the best antenna gains of the day,
could be, he wasn't aware of Gaussian arrays was he?


for the antenna`s size,
regardless of direct or parasitic drive, were obtained from corner
reflector and Yagi antennas. That hasn`t changed but it certainly may.
Let me assure you it has changed much as you want to bresist change.




But, Kraus, whose invention, the W8JK array, has two dipole elements
spaced 0.125 wavelengths apart and driven 180-degrees out of phase,
certainly has no parasitic element. That was certainly on his mind when
he wrote the comments on page 185 in "Antennas". On the facing page,
184, he diagrams two antennas, the W8JK and a stack of two dipoles which
are driven in-phase, not out-of phase like the W8JK.

If both dipoles were separate entities where only one was driven and
both entities
were resonant then it is representitive of a Gaussian array assuming
both elements were not parallel or planar. I will leave you to decide
if it was an example of a Gaussian array.





Low radiation resistance is a consequence of tight coupling between the
closely-spaced elements. This makes the coupling to the array likely
lossy in making impedance transformations necessary to match the array
to the transmission line.
This is a statement connected to Yagi's or similar type parasitic
arrays
Are you like Terman who meant to say something different? How can you
be a mind reader
if you do the same thing yourself?



Kraus has some suggestions on how to make
these arrays more compatible with their transmission lines.

That's nice. What am I suppose to do with that statement? Did you
intend to say something else like it was true 50 years ago so it is
also true now?

Art

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI

Gaussian statics law
 

On 22 Apr, 15:55, "Jimmie D" wrote:
"Richard Harrison" wrote in message

...





Art wrote:
"Again, Richard you are taking things out of context since the arrays
referred to were not in equilibrium.'

I noted no acceleration nor motion. As a firm believer in the
conservation of energy I`m sure that the antenna, on average, received
no more energy than it emitted or conducted away. That is balance or
equilibrium.

Art also wrote:
"Terman was referring to close spaced of the parasitic form, even
mentions corner reflectors."

Yes, and he also mentions the Yagi array. But I believe Terman meant to
say the best antenna gains of the day, for the antenna`s size,
regardless of direct or parasitic drive, were obtained from corner
reflector and Yagi antennas. That hasn`t changed but it certainly may.
But, Kraus, whose invention, the W8JK array, has two dipole elements
spaced 0.125 wavelengths apart and driven 180-degrees out of phase,
certainly has no parasitic element. That was certainly on his mind when
he wrote the comments on page 185 in "Antennas". On the facing page,
184, he diagrams two antennas, the W8JK and a stack of two dipoles which
are driven in-phase, not out-of phase like the W8JK.

Low radiation resistance is a consequence of tight coupling between the
closely-spaced elements. This makes the coupling to the array likely
lossy in making impedance transformations necessary to match the array
to the transmission line. Kraus has some suggestions on how to make
these arrays more compatible with their transmission lines.

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI

I f this were a hospital you couldnt distinguish the doctors from the
patients.. LMAO

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Jimmie you may reach the same age as Richard( you are nearly 80 years
old aren't you) so you better start thinking ahead. There are
different types of institutions you know and who knows what type you
are assigned to.
Art

Gaussian statics law
 

On 22 Apr 2007 14:19:49 -0700, art wrote:

Also when you suggested that you
knew about gaussian antennas long ago

Hi Art,

I bought a Goniometer at my first Ham auction in 1966. Only 41 years
ago, but it was only 50 years old then (the concept, not the
goniometer), and now the topic has been around for so long that most
have forgotten it like the sand that surrounds the Sphinx.

Can you explain how the Goniometer, the conceptual child of Bennetti
and Tosi?

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Gaussian statics law
 

Jimmie D wrote:

"Richard Harrison" wrote in message
...

Art wrote:
"Again, Richard you are taking things out of context since the arrays
referred to were not in equilibrium.'

I noted no acceleration nor motion. As a firm believer in the
conservation of energy I`m sure that the antenna, on average, received
no more energy than it emitted or conducted away. That is balance or
equilibrium.

Art also wrote:
"Terman was referring to close spaced of the parasitic form, even
mentions corner reflectors."

Yes, and he also mentions the Yagi array. But I believe Terman meant to
say the best antenna gains of the day, for the antenna`s size,
regardless of direct or parasitic drive, were obtained from corner
reflector and Yagi antennas. That hasn`t changed but it certainly may.
But, Kraus, whose invention, the W8JK array, has two dipole elements
spaced 0.125 wavelengths apart and driven 180-degrees out of phase,
certainly has no parasitic element. That was certainly on his mind when
he wrote the comments on page 185 in "Antennas". On the facing page,
184, he diagrams two antennas, the W8JK and a stack of two dipoles which
are driven in-phase, not out-of phase like the W8JK.

Low radiation resistance is a consequence of tight coupling between the
closely-spaced elements. This makes the coupling to the array likely
lossy in making impedance transformations necessary to match the array
to the transmission line. Kraus has some suggestions on how to make
these arrays more compatible with their transmission lines.

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI



I f this were a hospital you couldnt distinguish the doctors from the
patients.. LMAO

Jimmie



If you are implying that Richard is incorrect in his statements and that
Art has even a tiny clue about reality, you are sadly mistaken.

You should study a bit about the subject before you criticize the "Doctors".

tom
K0TAR

Gaussian statics law
 

I f this were a hospital you couldnt distinguish the doctors from the
patients.. LMAO

Jimmie



There are no Doctors, only patients.
Art refers to Richard as Andy Cap, an ancient reference even to me (and
I am 52). Richard takes the bait every time.

Fanning the flames of borderline lunacy can keep newsgroups busy
basically forever. A true perpetual motion machine. I am, of course,
quoting Heaviside.

Gaussian statics law
 

"Tom Ring" wrote in message
. ..
Jimmie D wrote:

"Richard Harrison" wrote in message
...

Art wrote:
"Again, Richard you are taking things out of context since the arrays
referred to were not in equilibrium.'

I noted no acceleration nor motion. As a firm believer in the
conservation of energy I`m sure that the antenna, on average, received
no more energy than it emitted or conducted away. That is balance or
equilibrium.

Art also wrote:
"Terman was referring to close spaced of the parasitic form, even
mentions corner reflectors."

Yes, and he also mentions the Yagi array. But I believe Terman meant to
say the best antenna gains of the day, for the antenna`s size,
regardless of direct or parasitic drive, were obtained from corner
reflector and Yagi antennas. That hasn`t changed but it certainly may.
But, Kraus, whose invention, the W8JK array, has two dipole elements
spaced 0.125 wavelengths apart and driven 180-degrees out of phase,
certainly has no parasitic element. That was certainly on his mind when
he wrote the comments on page 185 in "Antennas". On the facing page,
184, he diagrams two antennas, the W8JK and a stack of two dipoles which
are driven in-phase, not out-of phase like the W8JK.

Low radiation resistance is a consequence of tight coupling between the
closely-spaced elements. This makes the coupling to the array likely
lossy in making impedance transformations necessary to match the array
to the transmission line. Kraus has some suggestions on how to make
these arrays more compatible with their transmission lines.

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI



I f this were a hospital you couldnt distinguish the doctors from the
patients.. LMAO

Jimmie

If you are implying that Richard is incorrect in his statements and that
Art has even a tiny clue about reality, you are sadly mistaken.

You should study a bit about the subject before you criticize the
"Doctors".

tom
K0TAR


Not what I am implying at all, that wouldnt be funny. I only wish I knew as
much about antennas as Richard.

I only recently obtained copies of books by Krauss and Terman and have begin
to intensify my studies of the subject.

While on the subject, I obtained my first class FCC license in 73 and the
material in Terman seems to fit very closly with the study material I had.
Is there a connection between the test and Terman's book?

Jimmie

Gaussian statics law
 

On 22 Apr, 19:41, Tom Ring wrote:
Jimmie D wrote:
"Richard Harrison" wrote in message
...

Art wrote:
"Again, Richard you are taking things out of context since the arrays
referred to were not in equilibrium.'

I noted no acceleration nor motion. As a firm believer in the
conservation of energy I`m sure that the antenna, on average, received
no more energy than it emitted or conducted away. That is balance or
equilibrium.

Art also wrote:
"Terman was referring to close spaced of the parasitic form, even
mentions corner reflectors."

Yes, and he also mentions the Yagi array. But I believe Terman meant to
say the best antenna gains of the day, for the antenna`s size,
regardless of direct or parasitic drive, were obtained from corner
reflector and Yagi antennas. That hasn`t changed but it certainly may.
But, Kraus, whose invention, the W8JK array, has two dipole elements
spaced 0.125 wavelengths apart and driven 180-degrees out of phase,
certainly has no parasitic element. That was certainly on his mind when
he wrote the comments on page 185 in "Antennas". On the facing page,
184, he diagrams two antennas, the W8JK and a stack of two dipoles which
are driven in-phase, not out-of phase like the W8JK.

Low radiation resistance is a consequence of tight coupling between the
closely-spaced elements. This makes the coupling to the array likely
lossy in making impedance transformations necessary to match the array
to the transmission line. Kraus has some suggestions on how to make
these arrays more compatible with their transmission lines.

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI

I f this were a hospital you couldnt distinguish the doctors from the
patients.. LMAO

Jimmie

If you are implying that Richard is incorrect in his statements and that
Art has even a tiny clue about reality, you are sadly mistaken.

You should study a bit about the subject before you criticize the "Doctors".

tom
K0TAR- Hide quoted text -

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Tom ,you should not hit Jimmie for not studying what you believe to be
critical. To often you have shown yourself to be ignorant of the finer
details of radiation that you are accusing Jimmie of not being
knoweledgable about. Regarding what Richard stated you did not give
one iota of evidence that his comments were correct possibly because
you are devoid of any knoweledge around which you could consider a
debate. Tom once again you show your ignorance about antennas and
radiation to the World. Wasn't it you who was so vociforace in your
critisisms when the MIT doctor came aboard with his mathematical
analysis? Was it not you who stated you cannot add the measure of time
to both sides of an equation infering that equilibrium is thus
abandoned? You really should have obtained an understanding of algebra
before embarking on a realm of finger pointing at the old age of the
mid eighties.
You can talk the talk when you prove that you can walk the walk and
that can't be done if you have a crippled mind.
Art