Mike Coslo wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote in news:luwci.4098$bP5.4094
@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net:

Jim Higgins wrote:
Cecil seems to be annoyed by the Scientific Method because at some
point there are competing theories and all can't be correct. Of
course! That's how science works!

Jim, I'm annoyed at people who assert that scientific
theories are never wrong and are simply a subset of
something that is more correct.

Those who do are definitely not using the scientific method, are
they?

Obviously since Newton isn't good enough to build an airplane, a
bridge, or even a one hole out house and the relativistic effects
MUST be concidered in all cases.

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Jim Pennino

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Newtonian gravity: experimentally verified; superseded and still used
within appropriate boundaries.



Yep. Plenty enough for argument to keep an open mind on the theories
still in use today ...

And, ether has NOT been discarded, indeed, Einstein recognized that
space is NOT truly empty ... whatever that "something" is, it deserves
the title ether ...

However, it will be interesting to watch the pseudo-logic which will now
flow as rivers within this newsgroup in an attempt to say all current
theories are, without doubt, without error(s.)

JS

John Smith I wrote:
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Newtonian gravity: experimentally verified; superseded and still used
within appropriate boundaries.



Yep. Plenty enough for argument to keep an open mind on the theories
still in use today ...

Is that babble supposed to mean something?

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Jim Pennino

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Is that babble supposed to mean something?


Your first tactic of "whamboozling" has been duly noted, let the rivers
flow ...

JS

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Ether: no experimental confirmation; discarded.
Caloric theory: no experimental confirmation; discarded.
Emitter theory: no experimental confirmation; discarded.

So many scientific theories have been discarded
down through history.
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73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Cecil Moore wrote:
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Ether: no experimental confirmation; discarded.
Caloric theory: no experimental confirmation; discarded.
Emitter theory: no experimental confirmation; discarded.

So many scientific theories have been discarded
down through history.

Yes, people that don't understand what a theory is do say that.

And people that want to play symantic games.

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Jim Pennino

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Yes, people that don't understand what a theory is do say that.

Theory: There is no life on Mars. If life is eventually
discovered, it wasn't a wrong theory because it wasn't
a theory. How convenient.
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73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

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Yes, people that don't understand what a theory is do say that.

Theory: There is no life on Mars. If life is eventually
discovered, it wasn't a wrong theory because it wasn't
a theory. How convenient.

Semantic games; calling a hypothesis a theory doesn't make it a
theory.

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Semantic games; calling a hypothesis a theory doesn't make it a
theory.


I do believe this is the first time I have ever seen a man create a
"God" from a word and establish a whole religion surrounding it! Will
wonders never cease?

THEORY:
# a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world;
an organized system of accepted knowledge that applies in a variety of
circumstances to explain a specific set of phenomena; "theories can
incorporate facts and laws and tested hypotheses"; "true in fact and theory"
# hypothesis: a tentative theory about the natural world; a concept that
is not yet verified but that if true would explain certain facts or
phenomena; "a scientific hypothesis that survives experimental testing
becomes a scientific theory"; "he proposed a fresh theory of alkalis
that later was accepted in chemical practices"
# a belief that can guide behavior; "the architect has a theory that
more is less"; "they killed him on the theory that dead men tell no tales"
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

A theory can survive complete testing by present understandings and
knowledge--only to be found in error at later dates ...

You make a fatal mistake when you establish beliefs on present knowledge
and not allow for future discovery ...

Try thinking out-of-the-box a bit more ...

JS

John Smith I wrote:

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Try thinking out-of-the-box a bit more ...

JS

We are drowning in theories filled with holes and errors ... for example:

To restate, to the point of boring repetition, time is a only a theory.
It is a theory that can be proved to be false, and with the use of
sheer logic only. Time is a figment of mans imagination. For all mans
endeavors of establishing time, all he has ever done is measure
movement. From the first stick stuck in the sand to measure the
movement of the earth and sun, to the hourglass which measures the
movement of sand though a small orifice, to the cesium clock which
measures the movement (loss of particles) from an element, etc.
Movement is real, time is not (at least not in the way we think of it),
time is only a convenient tool/model for man to use to attempt to make
sense of his world, and only an imaginary tool at that.

Example:
We say we "age." However, we don't age in the way we think, that time
has some "aging" effect upon us. We age because, just like a xerox
machine makes copies, so are the cells of our bodies making copies of
themselves. Just as there are new errors introduced in the copies made
for previous copies with a xerox machine, so are errors in the cells of
our bodies introduced, until fatal errors are being made ... death
occurs as result.

Mountains crumble and fall into the sea, but not because of time,
because of movement. Whatever time is, movement is married to it,
whatever movement is, time is married to it. They are one and the same ...

When our antenna equations have a "time element" in them, they are quite
obviously in error. Time is but a placeholder for some other
phenomenon, most likely some aspect of movement ... it may even be the
unseen, undetectable, and unknown movement of the ether--the only thing
for sure, we don't understand it.

Time is only a theory which waits its' demise ... and a prime example of
a yet-to-be discarded theory.

JS