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art July 9th 07 04:05 AM

Surface dust on the orbiting Universe
 
Just had some interesting reading on moon dust, mars dust e.t.c
I am amased that scientists had not figured out what the dust really
is.
Actually it fits very nicely in my thesis where errent particles fly
thru space
in swarm form as per radio communication. Just one thing escapes me
and that is particles pointed at the moons surface which penetrate the
extreme earths fields and then go on to hit the moon and then reflect
back.
Yet on the moons surface are zillians of these static particles stuck
to its surface.
The question is thus why is the moon which is covered with static
particles
also allow static particles to deflect? I don't know to much about
the moon but this would suggest the moon has a minimum gravitational
pull .
Not enough strength to totally absorb the impact of static
particles which are then allowed to bounce back to earth where it
becomes atached to diagmatic materials in radio antenna form.
This fits my thesis on radio propagation. What really bothers me is
that people in the space industry seem to not have any inclination
of the nature of this dus tis.. Anybody aware of papers that discuss
the
phenomina of surface covering materials of orbiting masses in the
Universe? I sure would appreciate pointers where the specifications
of surface dust is located together with comparisons to that covering
other orbiting units in the universe.
Art


[email protected] July 9th 07 04:35 AM

Surface dust on the orbiting Universe
 
art wrote:
Just had some interesting reading on moon dust, mars dust e.t.c
I am amased that scientists had not figured out what the dust really
is.


Then you haven't read anything newer than pre-Apollo.

Actually, it was known long before that; Apollo just proved it.

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art July 9th 07 04:39 AM

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On 8 Jul, 20:05, art wrote:
Just had some interesting reading on moon dust, mars dust e.t.c
I am amased that scientists had not figured out what the dust really
is.
Actually it fits very nicely in my thesis where errent particles fly
thru space
in swarm form as per radio communication. Just one thing escapes me
and that is particles pointed at the moons surface which penetrate the
extreme earths fields and then go on to hit the moon and then reflect
back.
Yet on the moons surface are zillians of these static particles stuck
to its surface.
The question is thus why is the moon which is covered with static
particles
also allow static particles to deflect? I don't know to much about
the moon but this would suggest the moon has a minimum gravitational
pull .
Not enough strength to totally absorb the impact of static
particles which are then allowed to bounce back to earth where it
becomes atached to diagmatic materials in radio antenna form.
This fits my thesis on radio propagation. What really bothers me is
that people in the space industry seem to not have any inclination
of the nature of this dus tis.. Anybody aware of papers that discuss
the
phenomina of surface covering materials of orbiting masses in the
Universe? I sure would appreciate pointers where the specifications
of surface dust is located together with comparisons to that covering
other orbiting units in the universe.
Art


I forgot to mention something else. Moon dust in my terms consists
of static particles that lay on the surface of diagmatic materials
which means it would also adhere to spacemans uniform because of
bodily
attaction i.e. the human body is mostly water together with oxygen
which is diagmatic as is any radio antenna. The fact that static
particles are attached to orbiting masses surface suggest that a
correllation can be made between gravitational pull to the mass itself
which will then determine that the mass is in fact a diagmatic
material
of which there are relatively few. Methinks that I need to study
up a bit more unless there is a physisist on board this news group
that can guide me
Art KB9MZ


art July 9th 07 04:41 AM

Surface dust on the orbiting Universe
 
On 8 Jul, 20:35, wrote:
art wrote:
Just had some interesting reading on moon dust, mars dust e.t.c
I am amased that scientists had not figured out what the dust really
is.


Then you haven't read anything newer than pre-Apollo.

Actually, it was known long before that; Apollo just proved it.

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Proved what specific details?
Art


art July 9th 07 04:57 AM

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On 8 Jul, 20:41, art wrote:
On 8 Jul, 20:35, wrote:

art wrote:
Just had some interesting reading on moon dust, mars dust e.t.c
I am amased that scientists had not figured out what the dust really
is.


Then you haven't read anything newer than pre-Apollo.


Actually, it was known long before that; Apollo just proved it.


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Proved what specific details?
Art


If as you say they knew of the specifics of moon dust
before they got there one must presume that materials used
for the landrover did not consist of aluminum or any
other diagmatic material as that would certainly
limit its useful life
Art


[email protected] July 9th 07 06:05 AM

Surface dust on the orbiting Universe
 
art wrote:
On 8 Jul, 20:41, art wrote:
On 8 Jul, 20:35, wrote:

art wrote:
Just had some interesting reading on moon dust, mars dust e.t.c
I am amased that scientists had not figured out what the dust really
is.


Then you haven't read anything newer than pre-Apollo.


Actually, it was known long before that; Apollo just proved it.


snip insanity


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Proved what specific details?
Art


If as you say they knew of the specifics of moon dust
before they got there one must presume that materials used
for the landrover did not consist of aluminum or any
other diagmatic material as that would certainly
limit its useful life
Art


There is no such word in English as "diagmatic" and you are talking
to yourself.

Yet another sign of dementia.

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Richard Clark July 9th 07 07:24 AM

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On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 20:39:09 -0700, art wrote:

Methinks that I need to study
up a bit more unless there is a physisist on board this news group
that can guide me


Have you invented your own vocabulary to substitute for what is more
commonly known as Pixie Dust? Research that term first to confirm or
deny.

As an aside, what has this got to do with the focus (eg. antennas) of
this forum? Did the moderators kick you out of eHam?

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

art July 9th 07 12:38 PM

Surface dust on the orbiting Universe
 
On 8 Jul, 23:24, Richard Clark wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 20:39:09 -0700, art wrote:
Methinks that I need to study
up a bit more unless there is a physisist on board this news group
that can guide me


Have you invented your own vocabulary to substitute for what is more
commonly known as Pixie Dust? Research that term first to confirm or
deny.

As an aside, what has this got to do with the focus (eg. antennas) of
this forum? Did the moderators kick you out of eHam?

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC


Every thing!
They are static particles that rest on diamagnetic materials
used for antennas. These particular lunar particle coverings was
predicted more than a hundred years ago by the masters which
is before radio was even thought of . I would have thought
that the subject of antennas would fit right in here!


Derek July 9th 07 12:58 PM

Surface dust on the orbiting Universe
 
On Jul 9, 1:05 pm, wrote

There is no such word in English as "diagmatic"



Suggest you do a Google search next time "before" you put your foot in
your mouth.


bluey


[email protected] July 9th 07 03:35 PM

Surface dust on the orbiting Universe
 
Derek wrote:
On Jul 9, 1:05 pm, wrote

There is no such word in English as "diagmatic"



Suggest you do a Google search next time "before" you put your foot in
your mouth.


Google shows 24 hits for "diagmatic".

4 are non-English sites.

1 is from eHam.net in an article by Art.

The rest are apparently typos.

Webster's Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary of the English Language;
no "diagmatic".

Dictionary.com; no results found for "diagmatic".

Suggest you do a Google and dictionary search next time before you put
your foot in your mouth.

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[email protected] July 9th 07 03:45 PM

Surface dust on the orbiting Universe
 
art wrote:
On 8 Jul, 23:24, Richard Clark wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 20:39:09 -0700, art wrote:
Methinks that I need to study
up a bit more unless there is a physisist on board this news group
that can guide me


Have you invented your own vocabulary to substitute for what is more
commonly known as Pixie Dust? Research that term first to confirm or
deny.

As an aside, what has this got to do with the focus (eg. antennas) of
this forum? Did the moderators kick you out of eHam?

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC


Every thing!
They are static particles that rest on diamagnetic materials
used for antennas. These particular lunar particle coverings was
predicted more than a hundred years ago by the masters which
is before radio was even thought of . I would have thought
that the subject of antennas would fit right in here!


OK, now we have an English word to work with.

From http://en.wikipedia.org:

"Diamagnetism is a form of magnetism that is only exhibited by a substance
in the presence of an externally applied magnetic field."

"All materials show a diamagnetic response in an applied magnetic field;
however for materials which show some other form of magnetism (such as
ferromagnetism or paramagnetism), the diamagnetism is completely
overpowered. Substances which only, or mostly, display diamagnetic
behaviour are termed diamagnetic materials, or diamagnets. Materials
that are said to be diamagnetic are those which are usually considered
by non-physicists as "non magnetic", and include water, DNA, most organic
compounds such as petroleum and some plastics, and many metals such as
mercury, gold and bismuth."

So would Art's magic pixie dust particles rest on a ferromagnetic
antenna such as one constructed of a ferrous based alloy?

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art July 9th 07 03:56 PM

Surface dust on the orbiting Universe
 
On 9 Jul, 07:35, wrote:
Derek wrote:
On Jul 9, 1:05 pm, wrote


There is no such word in English as "diagmatic"

Suggest you do a Google search next time "before" you put your foot in
your mouth.


Google shows 24 hits for "diagmatic".

4 are non-English sites.

1 is from eHam.net in an article by Art.

The rest are apparently typos.

Webster's Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary of the English Language;
no "diagmatic".

Dictionary.com; no results found for "diagmatic".

Suggest you do a Google and dictionary search next time before you put
your foot in your mouth.

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It could well be a use of the word diagmatic since it is used
extensively
in quantum studies of chemicals and the human body. It may well be a
derivative
of the word diagmagnetic or it may well be a word that is gaining in
use.
Either way I would decline to call it a non word on what I know.
I would have thought the subject matter would have been more
important
than just name calling but I will ascede to your wishes and contain
myself
to the word
DIAGMAGNETIC and try to avoid latin derivitations


art July 9th 07 04:19 PM

Surface dust on the orbiting Universe
 
snip
Jim Benito

I'm sorry but I will have to let you go. I am like others
prone to spelling errors when using the internet and it is
certainly not my intent to offend others who want to
procrastinate about such things to the exclusion of
every thing else However you do have a history of name
calling and procrastination which is testing my civility
to its limits. I wish you well in your future endeavers
with the expectation that they do not involve me. For myself
I also will avoid involvement with you
Bye Bye
Art


[email protected] July 9th 07 05:25 PM

Surface dust on the orbiting Universe
 
art wrote:
snip
Jim Benito


I'm sorry but I will have to let you go. I am like others
prone to spelling errors when using the internet and it is
certainly not my intent to offend others who want to
procrastinate about such things to the exclusion of
every thing else However you do have a history of name
calling and procrastination which is testing my civility
to its limits. I wish you well in your future endeavers
with the expectation that they do not involve me. For myself
I also will avoid involvement with you
Bye Bye
Art


Do you have the slightest clue what "procrastinate" and "procrastination"
mean?

It doesn't appear so.

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[email protected] July 9th 07 05:25 PM

Surface dust on the orbiting Universe
 
art wrote:
On 9 Jul, 07:35, wrote:
Derek wrote:
On Jul 9, 1:05 pm, wrote


There is no such word in English as "diagmatic"
Suggest you do a Google search next time "before" you put your foot in
your mouth.


Google shows 24 hits for "diagmatic".

4 are non-English sites.

1 is from eHam.net in an article by Art.

The rest are apparently typos.

Webster's Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary of the English Language;
no "diagmatic".

Dictionary.com; no results found for "diagmatic".

Suggest you do a Google and dictionary search next time before you put
your foot in your mouth.

--
Jim Pennino

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It could well be a use of the word diagmatic since it is used
extensively
in quantum studies of chemicals and the human body. It may well be a
derivative
of the word diagmagnetic or it may well be a word that is gaining in
use.
Either way I would decline to call it a non word on what I know.
I would have thought the subject matter would have been more
important
than just name calling but I will ascede to your wishes and contain
myself
to the word
DIAGMAGNETIC and try to avoid latin derivitations


It could well be that you and the other 19 Google posters just don't
know how to spell.

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Richard Clark July 9th 07 06:19 PM

Surface dust on the orbiting Universe
 
On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 04:38:39 -0700, art wrote:

I would have thought
that the subject of antennas would fit right in here!


So would most, but your topic is Pixie Dust (look at the subject
line).

This is probably why eHam has revoked your privileges.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

art July 9th 07 10:14 PM

Surface dust on the orbiting Universe
 
Osnip.

This is probably why eHam has revoked your privileges.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC


You wish


Richard Harrison July 9th 07 10:39 PM

Surface dust on the orbiting Universe
 
Art wrote:
"What really bothers me is that people in the space industry seem not to
have any inclination of the nature of (what) this dust is."

It is believed that in prehistoric times, an ice comet collided with the
earth with so much force*at a spot near the Yucatan Peninsula, that a
chunck was dislodged and hurled into orbit. This collected and compacted
becoming the earth`s moon. The moon should be expected to contain
minerals similar to those on earth. NASA`s missions to the moon
confirmed it wasn`t really green cheese but rather very similar to the
stuff on earth.

NASA`s business is finding and confirming scientific information. NASA
has landed on Mars and sent rovers over its surface in a search for
conditions permitting some sort of life.

On January 21, NASA and ESA (European Space Agency) landed a scientific
package on Titan, one of Saturn`s moons with some similarities to Earth.
It reports back that the atmosphere is 96.3% H2 (hydrogen). Titan is too
far to go for a clean-burning fuel.

The package landed on Titan was thought to need a radio repeater aboard
its orbiting mother-ship to relay data to earth. Crossed signals in this
arrangement did not immediately work. Fortunately, the Robert C. Byrd
radio telescope in Green Bank. W. VA was able to pick up the data
signals directly from the data package on the ground at Titan and there
was much relief on earth.

NASA has used spectrum analyzers on light from many bodies in the cosmos
to determine what atonic elements are associated with various bodies in
space. They now have a good idea of their compositions.

An atom is the smallest particle with unique characteristics. Subatomic
particles are similar regardless of their source.

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI


art July 10th 07 12:09 AM

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On 9 Jul, 14:39, (Richard Harrison) wrote:
Art wrote:

"What really bothers me is that people in the space industry seem not to
have any inclination of the nature of (what) this dust is."

It is believed that in prehistoric times, an ice comet collided with the
earth with so much force at a spot near the Yucatan Peninsula, that a
chunck was dislodged and hurled into orbit. This collected and compacted
becoming the earth`s moon. The moon should be expected to contain
minerals similar to those on earth. NASA`s missions to the moon
confirmed it wasn`t really green cheese but rather very similar to the
stuff on earth.

NASA`s business is finding and confirming scientific information. NASA
has landed on Mars and sent rovers over its surface in a search for
conditions permitting some sort of life.

On January 21, NASA and ESA (European Space Agency) landed a scientific
package on Titan, one of Saturn`s moons with some similarities to Earth.
It reports back that the atmosphere is 96.3% H2 (hydrogen). Titan is too
far to go for a clean-burning fuel.

The package landed on Titan was thought to need a radio repeater aboard
its orbiting mother-ship to relay data to earth. Crossed signals in this
arrangement did not immediately work. Fortunately, the Robert C. Byrd
radio telescope in Green Bank. W. VA was able to pick up the data
signals directly from the data package on the ground at Titan and there
was much relief on earth.

NASA has used spectrum analyzers on light from many bodies in the cosmos
to determine what atonic elements are associated with various bodies in
space. They now have a good idea of their compositions.

An atom is the smallest particle with unique characteristics. Subatomic
particles are similar regardless of their source.

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI


And ?????.............

Yes We have read all that on the net but why are you repeating that?
Did you intend to make a specific point but accidently hit "send"?
I look forward to the point that you were preparing to make and to
what it was directed to


Richard Clark July 10th 07 12:54 AM

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On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 14:14:37 -0700, art wrote:

Osnip.

This is probably why eHam has revoked your privileges.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC


You wish


Not at all, Arthur. WELCOME BACK TO THE PIT OF HELL! where you seek
solace from your bruising. The acclaim to your theories at eHam is
about as amusing as they are here. ;-)

I particularly enjoyed Tom's response about clicking Ruby Slippers to
make something come true. I wouldn't wish the hall monitors to snub
your fulminations (although it appears several of your new-found
correspondents wouldn't mind) as I anxiously await your inundating Tom
with a gallon of spit.

Isn't amazing how these academic idylls of civil discourse (populated
by gentlemany of infinite wisdom) crumble into viper's nests when you
arrive? The term correlation comes to mind, but I don't know what
word it would be in your vocabulary so as to make the concept
meaningful to you.

For others who haven't read that comic strip, Arthur has proven
Einstein was wrong! Well, proven in the sense that Arthur proves
anything. Which is to say "he said so." After all, there is nothing
mentioned about anything specific from Einstein (special theory?
general theory? the photon theory? the cosmological constant?). That
is best left to our imagination as Arthur has dismissed it all with a
wave of the hand, whiting out Einstein's name on the Nobel prize to
pencil in Art.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Richard Harrison July 10th 07 05:05 PM

Surface dust on the orbiting Universe
 
Art wrote:
"And?"

My point is that Art is full of it when he says people in the space
industry don`t have a clue about "Surface dust on the orbiting
Universe".

Art is likely to say that the experts` dust isn`t Art`s dust. Art`s dust
would best be gone with the wind and Gaussian antennas.

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI


Michael Coslo July 11th 07 05:02 PM

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Richard Clark wrote:

Isn't amazing how these academic idylls of civil discourse (populated
by gentlemany of infinite wisdom) crumble into viper's nests when you
arrive? The term correlation comes to mind, but I don't know what
word it would be in your vocabulary so as to make the concept
meaningful to you.

For others who haven't read that comic strip, Arthur has proven
Einstein was wrong! Well, proven in the sense that Arthur proves
anything. Which is to say "he said so." After all, there is nothing
mentioned about anything specific from Einstein (special theory?
general theory? the photon theory? the cosmological constant?). That
is best left to our imagination as Arthur has dismissed it all with a
wave of the hand, whiting out Einstein's name on the Nobel prize to
pencil in Art.



http://www.space.com/adastra/adastra...st_060223.html

Is a nice little understandable and believable bit on moon dust.

Created in a massively electrically charged environment by a constant
rain of micreometeorites.

http://faculty.rmwc.edu/tmichalik/moon8.htm

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9ibyGXe_p...c_truefake.htm

and with shapes that have both microspheres and

Michael Coslo July 11th 07 06:00 PM

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Michael Coslo wrote:
Richard Clark wrote:

Isn't amazing how these academic idylls of civil discourse (populated
by gentlemany of infinite wisdom) crumble into viper's nests when you
arrive? The term correlation comes to mind, but I don't know what
word it would be in your vocabulary so as to make the concept
meaningful to you.

For others who haven't read that comic strip, Arthur has proven
Einstein was wrong! Well, proven in the sense that Arthur proves
anything. Which is to say "he said so." After all, there is nothing
mentioned about anything specific from Einstein (special theory?
general theory? the photon theory? the cosmological constant?). That
is best left to our imagination as Arthur has dismissed it all with a
wave of the hand, whiting out Einstein's name on the Nobel prize to
pencil in Art.



http://www.space.com/adastra/adastra...st_060223.html

Is a nice little understandable and believable bit on moon dust.

Created in a massively electrically charged environment by a constant
rain of micreometeorites.

http://faculty.rmwc.edu/tmichalik/moon8.htm

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9......


and with shapes that have both microspheres and



Ack! sorry - I pasted that too long url and accidentally sent the
message instead of undoing what I did. mea maxima culpa!

Point is, that the source and composition of the lunar dust is well
known. We can even duplicate it here on earth.

There isn't anything magic about dust that consists of a combination of
microspheres and hook ended fractured rocks. Put that in a highly
charged environment, and no strange and incomprehensible theories are
needed to explain why it sticks to things.

It's shape, size, and static......



And now for Art.

Art, the dust in not specifically something that is roaming around the
universe in packs. The dust or lunar soil is composed of fractured and
spheroidal minerals mixed in with meteoriodal material from the little
buggers that hit the moon and formed those fragements.

The reason that there is a lot of that stuff on the moon as compared to
the earth is because metoroids hit the moon with regularity, and once
formed, tend to stay there. On earth only the larger meteoroids make it
to the surface (yeah, I know a meteoroid is one that makes it to the
surface) and once there, they become assimilated, and are hard to find.

Occam's razor isn't always correct, but in this case.....

- 73 de Mike KB3EIA -


Michael Coslo July 11th 07 06:28 PM

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Richard Harrison wrote:
Art wrote:
"And?"

My point is that Art is full of it when he says people in the space
industry don`t have a clue about "Surface dust on the orbiting
Universe".

Art is likely to say that the experts` dust isn`t Art`s dust. Art`s dust
would best be gone with the wind and Gaussian antennas.



All physical properties of Moon dust are easily accounted for by anyone
who took and passed High School science. No strange physics is needed.

- 73 de Mike KB3EIA -

Harry[_3_] July 12th 07 11:08 AM

Surface dust on the orbiting Universe
 
It is believed that in prehistoric times,
an ice comet collided with the
earth with so much force at a
spot near the Yucatan Peninsula,
that a chunk was dislodged and hurled
into orbit. This collected and compacted
becoming the earth`s moon.


I think you will find that the Earth had two moons, and the one in a
decaying orbit hit the Earth - creating the (now burried) crater, as well as
leavin us with a somewhat thinner crust. The bit of green cheeze out there,
over our heads, is as old as the "inner Earth", but like the Earth, it is
steadily growing as more space debris arrives.

If a comet had struck the Earth, then just the sheer momentum would have
destroyed it, if it had been big enough to hurl something out of the Earths
gravity. Even the Manson comet was not that big, and look at the size of
that crater ;-)

But back to space dust - Fred Hoyle (a well-know scientist from Yorkshire,
England) pointed out that we all have noses with the holes underneath so
that our air-intake is sheltered from the debris and diseases that are
falling from space. Fred also invented the term "Big Bang", although he
meant it sarcastically, in true Yorkshire fashion. (Eeeeeeee bah gum! The's
nowt as odd as fowk!)



Denny July 12th 07 12:50 PM

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If you guys want to read hard science without any mathematical
equations, read ATOM by Larry Krause...
This is as close as you can get to understanding cosmology without
having to take a PhD in physics at the university... If you read this
and take the time to think and understand what he is sayiing I
'garontee' you will see the world in a whole new way...

denny - an old farm boy who never wondered about the ability of cow
**** to stick to your shoes... and "Two quarks for Muster Mark"



Dave Platt July 12th 07 07:06 PM

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In article ,
Harry wrote:

It is believed that in prehistoric times,
an ice comet collided with the
earth with so much force at a
spot near the Yucatan Peninsula,
that a chunk was dislodged and hurled
into orbit. This collected and compacted
becoming the earth`s moon.


I think you will find that the Earth had two moons, and the one in a
decaying orbit hit the Earth - creating the (now burried) crater, as well as
leavin us with a somewhat thinner crust. The bit of green cheeze out there,
over our heads, is as old as the "inner Earth", but like the Earth, it is
steadily growing as more space debris arrives.


As I understand it, the current "mainstream" thinking is that there
were numerous collision events, of greatly different magnitudes, and
very far apart in time.

It's now believed that quite early in the lifetime of the solar
system, when the planets were accreting out of a large dust-ring
around the young Sun, a planetoid of roughly the size of Mars collided
with the proto-Earth, striking a glancing blow. This impact shattered
the smaller body and did really serious damage to the larger (probably
re-melting much of it) and threw a lot of material back up into orbit
around the (now-larger) Earth. Much of this material eventually fell
back to the surface, some escaped entirely, and most of the rest
eventually formed the moon. This event occurred quite a few billions
of years ago.

The impact at what is now Chicxulub in the Yucatan was a lot more
recent (65 million years ago) and involved a much smaller body
(perhaps 10 miles across). Current mainstream thinking is that this
impact was probably the coup de grace for most of the dinosaurs... it
was one of the largest impacts in the history of Earth, but
there are geologic records of earlier impacts that left larger
craters (the Vredefort and Sudbury structures).

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Denny July 12th 07 09:42 PM

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While the geologic record for Chicxulub is well documented the
commonly known "fact" that this caused the dinosaurs to die out is
debatable since their demise was spread over millions years covering
both pre and post Chicxulub impact; not just over a few weeks or
months, or even a few hundred years..
The seabed record does show Chicxulub caused a drop in temperatures
for some time period and significant species losses.. There have been
a number of other massives die offs seen in the fossil records that
are not well explained and not all can be tied to an impact...

The other issues you point out, such as the genesis of the earth's
moon coming by impact from an extra solar body is the currently
accepted theory of mainstream cosmologists, less a maverick or two...

denny



Dave Platt July 12th 07 10:23 PM

Surface dust on the orbiting Universe
 

In article .com,
Denny wrote:

While the geologic record for Chicxulub is well documented the
commonly known "fact" that this caused the dinosaurs to die out is
debatable since their demise was spread over millions years covering
both pre and post Chicxulub impact; not just over a few weeks or
months, or even a few hundred years..


Oh, I agree... that's why I used the phrase "coup de grace" and "most
of the dinosaurs". There's good evidence that there was a lot of
ecological stress from other causes (e.g. volcanism, change in ocean
circulation patterns, etc.) which had been reducing the diversity and
population of many Dinosauria for quite some time before the Chicxulub
impact. And, of course, mainstream scientists now believe that one
branch of the Dinosauria survived right up until present times.

The seabed record does show Chicxulub caused a drop in temperatures
for some time period and significant species losses..


I've seen one report which indicates that the area in which this
asteroid hit consisted of rock which was unusually rich in sulphur,
thus leading to a more severe sulphate-particle "nuclear winter"
effect than what might have occurred if the impact had been elsewhere.

One way or the other, it was probably a rather rotten time to be on
this particular planet.

There have been
a number of other massives die offs seen in the fossil records that
are not well explained and not all can be tied to an impact...


Agreed. Life, and death, are both rather complex matters :-)

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Richard Clark July 13th 07 12:21 AM

Surface dust on the orbiting Universe
 
On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 04:38:39 -0700, art wrote:

As an aside, what has this got to do with the focus (eg. antennas) of
this forum? Did the moderators kick you out of eHam?

Every thing!
They are static particles that rest on diamagnetic materials
used for antennas. These particular lunar particle coverings was
predicted more than a hundred years ago by the masters which
is before radio was even thought of . I would have thought
that the subject of antennas would fit right in here!


Well Arthur,

Some several silent days have passed on this subject that is going
nowhere - it seems to mimic your forced retirement at eHam (or are
both due to the wholesale lack of interest?).

However, in keeping some semblance of a technical discussion on
antennas (I have to review just which group this is), then some
technical enquiry is in order (which I admit has a slim prospect of
any coherent answer).

So, does the
a.) absence
b.) presence
of lunar particle coverings on my antenna
c.) improve DX
d.) exclude DX
5.) does not matter

To repeat a message that hinged on the outcome of the Battle of the
Coral Sea:
"The World Wonders."

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Michael Coslo July 16th 07 07:50 PM

Surface dust on the orbiting Universe
 
Richard Clark wrote:

However, in keeping some semblance of a technical discussion on
antennas (I have to review just which group this is), then some
technical enquiry is in order (which I admit has a slim prospect of
any coherent answer).

So, does the
a.) absence
b.) presence
of lunar particle coverings on my antenna
c.) improve DX
d.) exclude DX
5.) does not matter

To repeat a message that hinged on the outcome of the Battle of the
Coral Sea:
"The World Wonders."


I have copyrighted "Moonduster Antennas", so everyone else has to leave
it alone. Patent is also pending.

The Moonduster is an antenna made from moondust (of course!)
Moonduster's utilize porous sintering technology to achieve not only the
unique qualities of the lunar covering, but the immense surface area
allows bandwidth previously achieved only by folded dipoles. All with
much greater efficiency.

neener, neener, neener. ;^)

Now all I have to do is figure out how to get there.......

- 73 de Mike KB3EIA -



Richard Clark July 16th 07 10:42 PM

Surface dust on the orbiting Universe
 
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:50:15 -0400, Michael Coslo
wrote:

I have copyrighted "Moonduster Antennas", so everyone else has to leave
it alone. Patent is also pending.


Hi Mike,

Pending this idea elevates the gravitas of your contribution to
science and has immediately validated your theory (what was it
again?). Whatever was Einstein thinking when he missed this milestone
in the march of physics?

Once it is patented, the towers of academia will shudder and collapse
into the dust of ages with your eclipse ushering in the golden dawn of
a new age. 100 years of Nobel Laureates will be nothing more than a
chorus line of troglodytes stunned by the harmony of your work.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Mike Coslo July 17th 07 04:45 AM

Surface dust on the orbiting Universe
 
Richard Clark wrote in
:

On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:50:15 -0400, Michael Coslo
wrote:

I have copyrighted "Moonduster Antennas", so everyone else has to leave
it alone. Patent is also pending.


Hi Mike,

Pending this idea elevates the gravitas of your contribution to
science and has immediately validated your theory (what was it
again?). Whatever was Einstein thinking when he missed this milestone
in the march of physics?

Once it is patented, the towers of academia will shudder and collapse
into the dust of ages with your eclipse ushering in the golden dawn of
a new age. 100 years of Nobel Laureates will be nothing more than a
chorus line of troglodytes stunned by the harmony of your work.


I could just hug myself! ;^)

In the end, we shall all see that indeed it is turtles all the way
down....

Let us now sing

The turtles are ancient and they are justified,

The source of all matter and wit.

The dust of the cosmos proper is naught but turtle.....


Let this be a warning to everyone, don't mix Alka-Seltzer plus and
Starbucks coffee.......

- 73 de Mike KB3EIA -

Michael Coslo July 18th 07 04:46 PM

Surface dust on the orbiting Universe
 
Mike Coslo wrote:

I could just hug myself! ;^)

In the end, we shall all see that indeed it is turtles all the way
down....

Let us now sing

The turtles are ancient and they are justified,

The source of all matter and wit.

The dust of the cosmos proper is naught but turtle.....


Let this be a warning to everyone, don't mix Alka-Seltzer plus and
Starbucks coffee.......



Yay! I killed the thread!



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