In article ,
Don Bowey wrote:


You miss my point. Why do you think the iPhone is so successful?
Why the iPod?

Until there are more facts, the iPhone's current success is due to people
wanting a very cool instrument with good features.

Which is pretty much the definition of putting out a product that the
public wants. But, yet, I seem to have feelings that you did not mean
this as a positive.

On 7/21/07 11:00 AM, in article
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"Kurt Ullman" wrote:

In article ,
Don Bowey wrote:


You miss my point. Why do you think the iPhone is so successful?
Why the iPod?

Until there are more facts, the iPhone's current success is due to people
wanting a very cool instrument with good features.

Which is pretty much the definition of putting out a product that the
public wants. But, yet, I seem to have feelings that you did not mean
this as a positive.

You are reading in something I did not say.

The iPhone is off to a great start, but it has no track record at this time.
I anticipate that it will be very successful, but we can only guess at it
now. From an investor point-of-view, I think the monthly kickback from AT&T
that Apple negotiated, is good. From a personal POV I think it sucks, and
will likely antagonize Apple supporters.

On Jul 21, 11:14 am, Don Bowey wrote:
On 7/21/07 11:00 AM, in article
,

"Kurt Ullman" wrote:
In article ,
Don Bowey wrote:

You miss my point. Why do you think the iPhone is so successful?
Why the iPod?

Until there are more facts, the iPhone's current success is due to people
wanting a very cool instrument with good features.

Which is pretty much the definition of putting out a product that the
public wants. But, yet, I seem to have feelings that you did not mean
this as a positive.

You are reading in something I did not say.

The iPhone is off to a great start, but it has no track record at this time.
I anticipate that it will be very successful, but we can only guess at it
now. From an investor point-of-view, I think the monthly kickback from AT&T
that Apple negotiated, is good. From a personal POV I think it sucks, and
will likely antagonize Apple supporters.

IPhone Buyers and Users -and- Apple Supporters
may not be one and the same. ~ RHF

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RHF wrote:

On Jul 21, 11:14 am, Don Bowey wrote:
On 7/21/07 11:00 AM, in article
,

"Kurt Ullman" wrote:
In article ,
Don Bowey wrote:

You miss my point. Why do you think the iPhone is so successful?
Why the iPod?

Until there are more facts, the iPhone's current success is due to people
wanting a very cool instrument with good features.

Which is pretty much the definition of putting out a product that the
public wants. But, yet, I seem to have feelings that you did not mean
this as a positive.

You are reading in something I did not say.

The iPhone is off to a great start, but it has no track record at this time.
I anticipate that it will be very successful, but we can only guess at it
now. From an investor point-of-view, I think the monthly kickback from AT&T
that Apple negotiated, is good. From a personal POV I think it sucks, and
will likely antagonize Apple supporters.

IPhone Buyers and Users -and- Apple Supporters
may not be one and the same. ~ RHF

Bottom line - People want products that work for them. Period.
Mac delivers, like them or not.

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At 21 Jul 2007 19:40:38 -0700 Kurt wrote:

Bottom line - People want products that work for them. Period.
Mac delivers, like them or not.


Yet Macs have been around for 20 years and still only have a 5% market
share- clearly they "deliver" something those 5% want, but not something
"everyone" wants.

In the iPhone's case, the potential market is fairly large, but not the
entire cellphone market, like our resident troll "none" believes, simply
because the entire cellphone market is not interested in smartphones,
regardless of how "smart" the phone is. Many people simply won't trade a
physical 12-key phone dialpad for access to Youtube or Google, period.

I'm not in that category obviously, nor are you, but the VAST majority of
people simply are. Those people, even if they were clamoring for an MP3
phone, would likely prefer a ROKR to an iPhone!



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In article 346324481020070722181912elecconnec@AmericaOnLine. com,
Todd Allcock wrote:

At 21 Jul 2007 19:40:38 -0700 Kurt wrote:

Bottom line - People want products that work for them. Period.
Mac delivers, like them or not.


Yet Macs have been around for 20 years and still only have a 5% market
share- clearly they "deliver" something those 5% want, but not something
"everyone" wants.

Haven't me from running a good-sized design advertising design studio.
Never got what everyone else liked about PCs (and forget the "PCS are
cheaper" excuse - you pay more in time and virus prevention later).
Use Virtual PC about once a week to test on IE browser and access a
couple ActiveX powered control panels.

The masses generally were led to believe that Macs weren't compatible
with what they do and that software was extremely limited.
Comfort level, too. Some folks loved Windows 98.

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On 7/22/07 2:52 PM, in article
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wrote:

In article 346324481020070722181912elecconnec@AmericaOnLine. com,
Todd Allcock wrote:

At 21 Jul 2007 19:40:38 -0700 Kurt wrote:

Bottom line - People want products that work for them. Period.
Mac delivers, like them or not.


Yet Macs have been around for 20 years and still only have a 5% market
share- clearly they "deliver" something those 5% want, but not something
"everyone" wants.


Last I heard Apple was number 3 in laptop sales, and growing fast.


Haven't me from running a good-sized design advertising design studio.
Never got what everyone else liked about PCs (and forget the "PCS are
cheaper" excuse - you pay more in time and virus prevention later).
Use Virtual PC about once a week to test on IE browser and access a
couple ActiveX powered control panels.

Nonsense. My wife's Fujitsu laptop is about 5 years old and has been as
dependable as my Macs. Except for defragging it a few times it has taken
none of my time.

My year old PC tower, running XP, is also flawless.


The masses generally were led to believe that Macs weren't compatible
with what they do and that software was extremely limited.
Comfort level, too. Some folks loved Windows 98.

And some love XP.

IMHO Mac has had only one computer that flat knocked the socks off the PC
competition, and they quit making it (638CDV). They also made at least one
laptop that was a pathetic Power Mac which was slower by far than my 040
desktop computer of the time.

The only reason I'm still using a Mac (MacBook Pro) is that I can run
Windows when I need to, without using an emulator.

Bottom line, like it or not, PCs are cheaper than Macs and retrofit cards
for the PC are VERY inexpensive for high quality functionality.

Kurt wrote:

In article 346324481020070722181912elecconnec@AmericaOnLine. com,
Todd Allcock wrote:

At 21 Jul 2007 19:40:38 -0700 Kurt wrote:

Bottom line - People want products that work for them. Period.
Mac delivers, like them or not.


Yet Macs have been around for 20 years and still only have a 5% market
share- clearly they "deliver" something those 5% want, but not something
"everyone" wants.

Haven't me from running a good-sized design advertising design studio.
Never got what everyone else liked about PCs (and forget the "PCS are
cheaper" excuse - you pay more in time and virus prevention later).
Use Virtual PC about once a week to test on IE browser and access a
couple ActiveX powered control panels.


More lies from the mac community. There are excellent anti virus
programs that are free for private use AVG is my favorite.

Have you EVER seen any instrumentation cards for a MAC? I've seen
ISA, EISA, PCI and the pc-104 industrial variant os the EISA buss.



The masses generally were led to believe that Macs weren't compatible
with what they do and that software was extremely limited.
Comfort level, too. Some folks loved Windows 98.


If it did what they needed, what business is it of yours?


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prove it.
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Central Florida

In article

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Kurt Ullman wrote:

In article ,
Don Bowey wrote:


You miss my point. Why do you think the iPhone is so successful?
Why the iPod?

Until there are more facts, the iPhone's current success is due to people
wanting a very cool instrument with good features.

Which is pretty much the definition of putting out a product that the
public wants. But, yet, I seem to have feelings that you did not mean
this as a positive.

We had these same naysayers in these groups who were predicting the flop
of iPhone a week before it came out. The more rabid ones disappeared.
Now we have this more ambiguous approach.

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