At 21 Jul 2007 19:40:38 -0700 Kurt wrote:

Bottom line - People want products that work for them. Period.
Mac delivers, like them or not.


Yet Macs have been around for 20 years and still only have a 5% market
share- clearly they "deliver" something those 5% want, but not something
"everyone" wants.

In the iPhone's case, the potential market is fairly large, but not the
entire cellphone market, like our resident troll "none" believes, simply
because the entire cellphone market is not interested in smartphones,
regardless of how "smart" the phone is. Many people simply won't trade a
physical 12-key phone dialpad for access to Youtube or Google, period.

I'm not in that category obviously, nor are you, but the VAST majority of
people simply are. Those people, even if they were clamoring for an MP3
phone, would likely prefer a ROKR to an iPhone!



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In article 346324481020070722181912elecconnec@AmericaOnLine. com,
Todd Allcock wrote:

At 21 Jul 2007 19:40:38 -0700 Kurt wrote:

Bottom line - People want products that work for them. Period.
Mac delivers, like them or not.


Yet Macs have been around for 20 years and still only have a 5% market
share- clearly they "deliver" something those 5% want, but not something
"everyone" wants.

Haven't me from running a good-sized design advertising design studio.
Never got what everyone else liked about PCs (and forget the "PCS are
cheaper" excuse - you pay more in time and virus prevention later).
Use Virtual PC about once a week to test on IE browser and access a
couple ActiveX powered control panels.

The masses generally were led to believe that Macs weren't compatible
with what they do and that software was extremely limited.
Comfort level, too. Some folks loved Windows 98.

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On 7/22/07 2:52 PM, in article
, "Kurt"
wrote:

In article 346324481020070722181912elecconnec@AmericaOnLine. com,
Todd Allcock wrote:

At 21 Jul 2007 19:40:38 -0700 Kurt wrote:

Bottom line - People want products that work for them. Period.
Mac delivers, like them or not.


Yet Macs have been around for 20 years and still only have a 5% market
share- clearly they "deliver" something those 5% want, but not something
"everyone" wants.


Last I heard Apple was number 3 in laptop sales, and growing fast.


Haven't me from running a good-sized design advertising design studio.
Never got what everyone else liked about PCs (and forget the "PCS are
cheaper" excuse - you pay more in time and virus prevention later).
Use Virtual PC about once a week to test on IE browser and access a
couple ActiveX powered control panels.

Nonsense. My wife's Fujitsu laptop is about 5 years old and has been as
dependable as my Macs. Except for defragging it a few times it has taken
none of my time.

My year old PC tower, running XP, is also flawless.


The masses generally were led to believe that Macs weren't compatible
with what they do and that software was extremely limited.
Comfort level, too. Some folks loved Windows 98.

And some love XP.

IMHO Mac has had only one computer that flat knocked the socks off the PC
competition, and they quit making it (638CDV). They also made at least one
laptop that was a pathetic Power Mac which was slower by far than my 040
desktop computer of the time.

The only reason I'm still using a Mac (MacBook Pro) is that I can run
Windows when I need to, without using an emulator.

Bottom line, like it or not, PCs are cheaper than Macs and retrofit cards
for the PC are VERY inexpensive for high quality functionality.

In article ,
Don Bowey wrote:

On 7/22/07 2:52 PM, in article
, "Kurt"
wrote:

In article 346324481020070722181912elecconnec@AmericaOnLine. com,
Todd Allcock wrote:

At 21 Jul 2007 19:40:38 -0700 Kurt wrote:

Bottom line - People want products that work for them. Period.
Mac delivers, like them or not.


Yet Macs have been around for 20 years and still only have a 5% market
share- clearly they "deliver" something those 5% want, but not something
"everyone" wants.


Last I heard Apple was number 3 in laptop sales, and growing fast.


Haven't me from running a good-sized design advertising design studio.
Never got what everyone else liked about PCs (and forget the "PCS are
cheaper" excuse - you pay more in time and virus prevention later).
Use Virtual PC about once a week to test on IE browser and access a
couple ActiveX powered control panels.

Nonsense. My wife's Fujitsu laptop is about 5 years old and has been as
dependable as my Macs. Except for defragging it a few times it has taken
none of my time.

My year old PC tower, running XP, is also flawless.


The masses generally were led to believe that Macs weren't compatible
with what they do and that software was extremely limited.
Comfort level, too. Some folks loved Windows 98.

And some love XP.

IMHO Mac has had only one computer that flat knocked the socks off the PC
competition, and they quit making it (638CDV). They also made at least one
laptop that was a pathetic Power Mac which was slower by far than my 040
desktop computer of the time.

The only reason I'm still using a Mac (MacBook Pro) is that I can run
Windows when I need to, without using an emulator.

Bottom line, like it or not, PCs are cheaper than Macs and retrofit cards
for the PC are VERY inexpensive for high quality functionality.

I'll tell you, every time I have to get into XP, I cringe at the design
and implementation. Vista is even worse (and been a nightmare for a lot
of my non-tech friends).
My "Old" G5 2.5 does a fine job. Have about 5 other older machines in
daily use around here (iMacs, a couple towers, and an iBook). Never a
problem.

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Kurt wrote:

In article 346324481020070722181912elecconnec@AmericaOnLine. com,
Todd Allcock wrote:

At 21 Jul 2007 19:40:38 -0700 Kurt wrote:

Bottom line - People want products that work for them. Period.
Mac delivers, like them or not.


Yet Macs have been around for 20 years and still only have a 5% market
share- clearly they "deliver" something those 5% want, but not something
"everyone" wants.

Haven't me from running a good-sized design advertising design studio.
Never got what everyone else liked about PCs (and forget the "PCS are
cheaper" excuse - you pay more in time and virus prevention later).
Use Virtual PC about once a week to test on IE browser and access a
couple ActiveX powered control panels.


More lies from the mac community. There are excellent anti virus
programs that are free for private use AVG is my favorite.

Have you EVER seen any instrumentation cards for a MAC? I've seen
ISA, EISA, PCI and the pc-104 industrial variant os the EISA buss.



The masses generally were led to believe that Macs weren't compatible
with what they do and that software was extremely limited.
Comfort level, too. Some folks loved Windows 98.


If it did what they needed, what business is it of yours?


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Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Have you EVER seen any instrumentation cards for a MAC?

Funny you should ask The only NI GPIB card I could afford
is the surplus one that showed up in an old Mac LC together
with its Labview (68K) driver. The Mac was tossed at a
landfill collection center.

Regards,

Michael

msg wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Have you EVER seen any instrumentation cards for a MAC?

Funny you should ask The only NI GPIB card I could afford
is the surplus one that showed up in an old Mac LC together
with its Labview (68K) driver. The Mac was tossed at a
landfill collection center.

Regards,

Michael

I've seen dozens for the PC, but never one for a MAC. In fact, I
still have a couple 8 bit NI cards, somewhere. Microdyne built telemetry
receivers in various PC form factors, but no one ever requested any
design be ported to a MAC. We also built VME and PC-104 based equipment
with IEEE-488 ports..


I've also had IEEE-488 interfaces for the Commodore 64. I used it
with their 4023 and 8023 P series printers.


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Michael A. Terrell wrote:

snip

I've also had IEEE-488 interfaces for the Commodore 64. I used it
with their 4023 and 8023 P series printers.


Indeed the PET 4000 and 8000 series GPIB ports are useful for
instrument control and I have seen quite a few in physics
departments doing that job.

Regards,

Michael

"Michael A. Terrell" hath wroth:

Have you EVER seen any instrumentation cards for a MAC? I've seen
ISA, EISA, PCI and the pc-104 industrial variant os the EISA buss.

Add EPIC, EPIC Express, ITX, Mini-ITX, Nano-ITX, EBX, PCI-104, PC-104
Plus, CompactPCI, EPIC, EPIC-Express, PC/104, PC/104-Plus,
PC/104-Express, PICMG, AMC, ETX, ECX, XTX, COM-Express, COM-Express,
and probably a few I've missed. PC's own the industrial control
market. The catch is that most boards are rather expensive.

See:
http://www.mini-itx.com
On the right side is a list of "projects" that various users have
built. They range from ingenious to ludicrous. All are interesting.
I suppose that could be done with a disembowled Mac, but Apple doesn't
sell motherboards so it requires cannibalization of a complete
machine. So much for the hobbyist market.


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Jeff Liebermann wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" hath wroth:

Have you EVER seen any instrumentation cards for a MAC? I've seen
ISA, EISA, PCI and the pc-104 industrial variant os the EISA buss.

Add EPIC, EPIC Express, ITX, Mini-ITX, Nano-ITX, EBX, PCI-104, PC-104
Plus, CompactPCI, EPIC, EPIC-Express, PC/104, PC/104-Plus,
PC/104-Express, PICMG, AMC, ETX, ECX, XTX, COM-Express, COM-Express,
and probably a few I've missed. PC's own the industrial control
market. The catch is that most boards are rather expensive.


You do have to consider the total volume of sales vs the engineering
costs, plus these items are generally not built with all jelly bean
parts.

The HP 85 desktop computer with the tape drive, tiny monochrome
monitor and IEEE-488 port was used at Microdyne for some very old
equipment for test and alignment, till they finally hired a programmer
to write new software for a PC.

http://www.oldcalculatormuseum.com/hp85.html


See:
http://www.mini-itx.com
On the right side is a list of "projects" that various users have
built. They range from ingenious to ludicrous. All are interesting.
I suppose that could be done with a disembowled Mac, but Apple doesn't
sell motherboards so it requires cannibalization of a complete
machine. So much for the hobbyist market.


http://www.measurementcomputing.com/index.html was our supplier for
PC-104 IEEE-488 interface boards. They used to be Computer Boards, Inc.


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