Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:

Exactly which countries besides the U.S. have allowed it after testing it?

Geoff.

I am afraid I "hear" that question as:

1) Exactly what countries developed the A-Bomb, before the USA?

2) Exactly what countries developed the desktop computer, before the USA?

3) Exactly what countries walked the Moon, before the USA?

4) Exactly what countries had "real" stealth aircraft, before the USA?

5) Etc., etc. ...

If we waited for other countries, we'd be in real trouble now, wouldn't we?

Regards,
JS

Hello Mr. Smith,

I still find BPL risky for any gains it might bring forth. As some
broadband providers are looking to push into/beyond ethernet data rates,
BPL brings to the table sub par data rates with the risk of RFI into a
regulated natural resource.

BPL could be nice as a backup system, but it is my opinion that a high
speed infrastructure is needed.

It has been really handy that the Mom and Pop grown Cable industry has
provided some of this infrastructure.

If we are looking to do this without laying new cable, maybe a cellular
structured microwave wireless network would work. I thought the new
Wi-Fi was to provide for this?

Regards,

Chris

Christopher Cox wrote:
If we are looking to do this without laying new cable, maybe a cellular
structured microwave wireless network would work. I thought the new
Wi-Fi was to provide for this?

Here in Israel, the Electric company is NOT allowed to sell Internet
access. Planning for the day they will, they have laid fibre optic
cables along all of their right of way. Currently they use it for
their own internal data communications.

BPL will never be approved here. It was tested and found to cause
interference. Here the IDF which is a combination of the Army,
Navy, Air Force, Civil Defense, Department of Emergency Preparedness,
Homeland Security, all rolled together takes a dim view of radio
interference.

While we are a small country, they expect to be able to maintain
communications using HF and low band VHF.

Geoff.

--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM
IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838
Visit my 'blog at http://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/

Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:


Here in Israel, the Electric company is NOT allowed to sell Internet
access. Planning for the day they will, they have laid fibre optic
cables along all of their right of way. Currently they use it for
their own internal data communications.
...
Geoff.


Here in the USA we have manufactured "shortages" to manipulate the law
of supply and demand. We have also let our antitrust laws become
"trampled." Here, very large corporations manipulate the public as if
they are children; these children have become very stupid and have no
vision or common sense. To worsen matters, large corporations have
bought our government officials and news media; the population is now
fed lies, half-truths or simply no facts at all ...

We invented fiber optic cable, however, we will probably be the last in
the world to have our whole country with easy access to it--it is not in
the telcos best financial interests to see us all with dirt cheap
internet access. However, some work against these large corps and
attempt to find ways around their manipulations; BPL is but one example
of this.

The 700Mhz freqs in question is/are a very good example of this, which
is now playing out. Many wish to see these freqs cheap, with abundant
access and choices of uses and out from under the direct manipulations
of self-serving corporations/politics. However, this is not in the best
financial interests of the "powers which be."

700Mhz (or, nationwide cheap fiber optics, for that matter) would be
preferable to BPL, however, BPL has the possibility of being able to
escape the large political/corporate controls; but, as you can see in
the articles about 700Mhz, the billions are already being gotten
together by the "evil empire" to buy your future and rent it to you at
VERY inflated prices--here in the good 'ole USA ...

Your mileage, as well as your country, may vary ... Robin Hood rides in
the form of BPL--sometimes; even Google can appear as the Dragon-Slayer
in this sad Greek comedy/tragedy which plays before our eyes ... in
America. :-(

Amateur Radio and its' importance just stands as a pale ghost in
comparison to the dramatic figures in this play ... the amateur
community were warned--long ago; few paid attention--now it is too late.

Regards,
JS

John Smith I wrote:
...
700Mhz (or, nationwide cheap fiber optics, for that matter) would be
preferable to BPL, however, BPL has the possibility of being able to
escape the large political/corporate controls;

Considering that BPL stands for 'Broadband over Power Line' how does
something implemented over the infrastructure of and thus controlled by
the power companies, you know, some of those large corporate entities
you say BPL will escape the control of, escape those large
political/corporate controls?


... the amateur
community were warned--long ago; few paid attention--now it is too late.


This part, sadly, is probably correct.

gwatts wrote:

...
Considering that BPL stands for 'Broadband over Power Line' how does
something implemented over the infrastructure of and thus controlled by
the power companies, you know, some of those large corporate entities
you say BPL will escape the control of, escape those large
political/corporate controls?
...

Shouldn't you really be asking:

1) How has this happened? (or, are we the "frog in the pan of boiling
water?")

2) How can we stop our public servants (note: some refer to them as
"leaders") from criminal, self-serving (pocket stuffing), anti-American
and treasonous behavior and engaging in such conspiracies with large
business?

3) How can we get real world figures/facts from our news media? And,
why are these media outlets not on trial?

4) Etc., etc. ....

Power companies have already attempted to control "their" power-lines
(really the public power-lines) from being subjected to a secondary use
(BPL), they lost--so far ... American citizens can use their lines as
they please. In the end game, I suspect the politicians will be paid
off so power companies can hold BPL providers to ransom--this criminal
behavior permeates government/business these days ... many are leaving
the states, that is one option--let 'em tax the illegals to death.

Regards,
JS

gwatts wrote:
John Smith I wrote:
...
700Mhz (or, nationwide cheap fiber optics, for that matter) would be
preferable to BPL, however, BPL has the possibility of being able to
escape the large political/corporate controls;

Considering that BPL stands for 'Broadband over Power Line' how does
something implemented over the infrastructure of and thus controlled by
the power companies, you know, some of those large corporate entities
you say BPL will escape the control of, escape those large
political/corporate controls?

Because it is low power radio waves transmitted over very long wires.

Geoff.
--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM
IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838
Visit my 'blog at http://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/

Amateur Radio and its' importance just stands as a pale ghost in
comparison to the dramatic figures in this play ... the amateur
community were warned--long ago; few paid attention--now it is too late.
==============================
Considering the efforts made and attention paid by ARRL on behalf of all
radio amateurs in the USA to stop BPL , the above seems rather off the
mark . In the end BPL will not come to fruition whatever the 'pushing'
by FCC and Commercial Powers , also because it will highly likely not
be commercially viable.

Frank GM0CSZ / KN6WH

Highland Ham wrote:

==============================
Considering the efforts made and attention paid by ARRL on behalf of all
radio amateurs in the USA to stop BPL , the above seems rather off the
mark . In the end BPL will not come to fruition whatever the 'pushing'
by FCC and Commercial Powers , also because it will highly likely not
be commercially viable.

Frank GM0CSZ / KN6WH

I am afraid you missed the whole point, did you just "come on board?"

The surest way to implement the downfall of BPL would be to see the
success of 700Mhz "freedom zone."

Then, BPL would pale in comparison to a method that can penetrate
virtually any building and you can use while you walk down the street ...

Unfortunately, the mindset you have is shared by many, too many; unable
to see the forest through the trees--you attempt to be the tail which
wags the dog; while that may, or may not, work for high powers in high
places--I believe such is doomed to failure--indeed, isn't that how we
got here?

Regards,
JS

John Smith I wrote:
Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:

Exactly which countries besides the U.S. have allowed it after testing
it?

Geoff.


I am afraid I "hear" that question as:
...

A very 'Rumsfeldian' response, i.e, rephrasing the question so as not to
have to answer, snipped.

Why don't you answer his question?