Receiving 2 GHz AM signals in space. What do they sound like?
 

On Oct 7, 8:54 am, "Green Xenon [Radium]"
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Hi:

Let's say I am in a space station which has a 2 GHz DX AM analog
receiver that receives the magnetic fields [while ignoring the electric
fields]
WRONG. it is therefore not an EM wave, and your receiver will not pick it
up.

An EM wave has an electric component and a magnetic component. The
antenna determines whether you are interacting with the electric portion
of the field or the magnetic. A shielded loop will receive the magnetic
portion of the field and ignore the electric if properly constructed.

of extremely weak 2 GHz AM analog carrier signals. In addition,
this receiver is so sensitive and powerful that it can clearly pick up
AM carrier waves as weak as 10-to-the-power-NEGATIVE-10,000
watt-per-meter-squared.
Powerful is the wrong word.

Then what is the correct word? "Sensitivity"?

What type of "selectiveity" does it have??

What do you mean by "selectivity"?

This receiver also has a robust signal processor
that can eliminate clipped-waveforms [such as square waves], spikes,
clicks, pops, hiss, and random noise
It can not eliminate random noise

How about in the mysterious too-good-to-be-true situation that it can?
Then what would happen?

I used to often play my Nintendo when it was connected to channel 3.
However, I was change the TV channel to 4. I could see the video of the
game but it was fuzzy and covered in grains. The music of the game was
absent, and instead was filled with frightening-yet-enjoyable tones
[sounding like a buzzer, lawn mower, or electric shaver] along with a
faint audio of what was being discussed on the channel 4 news.

Is there a good chance I would hear something similar on my 2 GHz AM DX
receiver in space?

Also, whenever there is drill or an actually emergency, the Emergency
Alert System [EAS] plays their music. First they play the boring
low-pitch square-wave tones. Then they play the high-pitched,
terrifying, psychedelic sine-wave tones.

Is there a good chance I would hear something similar to the second
higher-pitched set of EAS tones on my 2 GHz AM DX receiver in space?

Let me put you out of your misery,I do not know how old you are but
you unwittingly introduce a big no-no by postulating EM waves in space
and that implies a medium.

This is fine,they were faced with a dilemma in the mid19th century
inherited from Newton where they could live happily with the the Sun
influencing the Earth without a medium but could not conceive the Sun
illuminating the Earth without one.Check the top right column of the
following article from 1843 to affirm this -

http://www.bodley.ox.ac.uk/cgi-bin/i...5 4.336.x.425

50 years later they dumped a medium on Newton anyway as 'absolute
space' and then conveniently rejected it all over again and then you
have 100 years of relativistic junk,some hopeless cases still think it
is an achievement but they are the ones who jump in here and try to
make you look like an idiot even though it may be a fair question.

Receiving 2 GHz AM signals in space. What do they sound like?
 

oriel36 wrote:
50 years later they dumped a medium on Newton anyway as 'absolute
space' and then conveniently rejected it all over again and then you
have 100 years of relativistic junk,some hopeless cases still think it
is an achievement but they are the ones who jump in here and try to
make you look like an idiot even though it may be a fair question.

They were only confused about the nature of the "ether".
Now we know that empty space is indeed not empty and
is something (as opposed to absolute nothing) that some
physicists describe as a "quantum soup" outside of which
EM waves cannot propagate.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Receiving 2 GHz AM signals in space. What do they sound like?
 

On Oct 7, 2:46 pm, Cecil Moore wrote:
oriel36 wrote:
50 years later they dumped a medium on Newton anyway as 'absolute
space' and then conveniently rejected it all over again and then you
have 100 years of relativistic junk,some hopeless cases still think it
is an achievement but they are the ones who jump in here and try to
make you look like an idiot even though it may be a fair question.

They were only confused about the nature of the "ether".

Again,the guys in the mid 19th century were inheriting a dilemma
Newton created when he rejected a medium.If you really have to believe
the cobblers of the last century where Albert rejects and aether by
attaching it to Newton's 'absolute space' then be my guest,it is an
incredible work of fiction but no more .

"The fictitious matter which is imagined as filling the whole of space
is of no use for explaining the phenomena of Nature, since the motions
of the planets and comets are better explained without it, by means of
gravity; and it has never yet been explained how this matter accounts
for gravity. The only thing which matter of this sort could do, would
be to interfere with and slow down the motions of those large
celestial bodies, and weaken the order of Nature; and in the
microscopic pores of bodies, it would put a stop to the vibrations of
their parts which their heat and all their active force consists in.
Further, since matter of this sort is not only completely useless, but
would actually interfere with the operations of Nature, and
weaken them, there is no solid reason why we should believe in any
such matter at all. Consequently, it is to be utterly rejected."
Optics 1704 Newton

So Cecil,if you read the article again and especially the top right
column you will see the distress of people who know they are stuck in
a rut but cannot find a way out of it.In the end they dumped aether on
Isaac as 'absolute space' and so began the relativistic junk. -

" In order to be able to look upon the rotation of the system, at
least formally, as something real, Newton objectivises space. Since he
classes his absolute space together with real things, for him rotation
relative to an absolute space is also something real. Newton might no
less well have called his absolute space ``Ether''; "Albert

Unless you have a severe reading disability,you will probably notice
Newton using explict terms like "utterly rejected" in regard to aether
hence the honest of the guys in the mid 19th century.



Now we know that empty space is indeed not empty and
is something (as opposed to absolute nothing) that some
physicists describe as a "quantum soup" outside of which
EM waves cannot propagate.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Quantum soup no less !, created by the witches of Macbeth no doubt -

Round about the cauldron go;
In the poison'd entrails throw.
Toad, that under cold stone
Days and nights has thirty-one
Swelter'd venom sleeping got,
Boil thou first i' the charmed pot.
Double, double toil and trouble;
Fire burn, and cauldron bubble

The fiction Newton created is far more impressive than the one built
by the guys in the early 20th century but the fiction of Newton has a
very,very astrological slant and it began with the work of John
Flamsteed.I would love to fill you in with the details but you appear
content believing the guys in the mid 19th century were confused.They
were not,they were desperate.

http://www.bodley.ox.ac.uk/cgi-bin/i...5 4.336.x.425

Receiving 2 GHz AM signals in space. What do they sound like?
 

oriel36 wrote:
I would love to fill you in with the details but you appear
content believing the guys in the mid 19th century were confused. They
were not,they were desperate.

Most of my information comes from, "The History of
Modern Science". In any case, "empty" space within
the universe does have some sort of quantum structure
and EM waves indeed do require that quantum medium.
That's why light cannot escape the universe.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Receiving 2 GHz AM signals in space. What do they sound like?
 

"Cecil Moore" wrote in message news:DmaOi.7081

snip

Most of my information comes from, "The History of
Modern Science". In any case, "empty" space within
the universe does have some sort of quantum structure
and EM waves indeed do require that quantum medium.
That's why light cannot escape the universe.

You have some mind-bending implications the

Such a quantum structure would not be coupled to the presence of matter. It
would exist without mass.

The universe has discrete boundaries.

If EM waves reaching the boundary really do not escape and are not reflected
(???) then the boundary is absorbing them and has a theoretical impedance
of 377 ohms (same as what we innocently calculate for 'free space').

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Sal M. Onella wrote:
Such a quantum structure would not be coupled to the presence of matter. It
would exist without mass.

It could be the dark energy thought to make up ~65%
of the universe and be responsible for the universal
expansion of "empty" space.

The universe has discrete boundaries.

The volume of the universe could be *unbounded* and
finite, as is the surface area of the earth.

If EM waves reaching the boundary really do not escape and are not reflected
(???) then the boundary is absorbing them and has a theoretical impedance
of 377 ohms (same as what we innocently calculate for 'free space').

One can travel forever on the finite surface of the
earth without ever reaching a boundary. Without changing
direction on the two-dimensional surface of a sphere, one
simply arrives back at one's starting point. (The East
Indies can be reached by going the opposite direction.)

One can probably travel forever within the volume of a
finite universe without ever reaching a boundary. One
might even arrive back at one's starting point while
traveling only in a "straight line".
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Receiving 2 GHz AM signals in space. What do they sound like?
 

On Oct 8, 4:46 pm, Cecil Moore wrote:
Sal M. Onella wrote:
Such a quantum structure would not be coupled to the presence of matter. It
would exist without mass.

It could be the dark energy thought to make up ~65%
of the universe and be responsible for the universal
expansion of "empty" space.

The universe has discrete boundaries.

The volume of the universe could be *unbounded* and
finite, as is the surface area of the earth.

If EM waves reaching the boundary really do not escape and are not reflected
(???) then the boundary is absorbing them and has a theoretical impedance
of 377 ohms (same as what we innocently calculate for 'free space').

One can travel forever on the finite surface of the
earth without ever reaching a boundary. Without changing
direction on the two-dimensional surface of a sphere, one
simply arrives back at one's starting point. (The East
Indies can be reached by going the opposite direction.)

One can probably travel forever within the volume of a
finite universe without ever reaching a boundary. One
might even arrive back at one's starting point while
traveling only in a "straight line".
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

I once thought that anyone believing the idea that the lament of light
leaving a star going to waste,hence 'warped space',was justing kidding
and did not really believe it but I have been proven wrong on that
count ,you people are quite serious about that insanity -

"This conception is in itself not very satisfactory. It is still less
satisfactory because it leads to the result that the light emitted by
the stars and also individual stars of the stellar system are
perpetually passing out into infinite space, never to return, and
without ever again coming into interaction with other objects of
nature. Such a finite material universe would be destined to become
gradually but systematically impoverished." Albert

http://www.bartleby.com/173/30.html

Again,I would fill you in with the details of how relativity protects
Newton but you appear content with to believe you can set out and
arrive back at the same place and indeed you can if you are an
astrologer and liv in a 'warped space' predictive zodiacal framework
-


http://www.opencourse.info/astronomy...phere_anim.gif

Thanks for reminding me who I am dealing with and good luck to you.

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oriel36 wrote:
"This conception is in itself not very satisfactory. It is still less
satisfactory because it leads to the result that the light emitted by
the stars and also individual stars of the stellar system are
perpetually passing out into infinite space, never to return, and
without ever again coming into interaction with other objects of
nature. Such a finite material universe would be destined to become
gradually but systematically impoverished." Albert

However, we now know that it did indeed return as background
radiation. Therefore, space is probably finite and unbounded,
i.e. warped.

Albert also had a problem with "spooky action at a distance".

Again,I would fill you in with the details of how relativity protects
Newton

Relativity also protects the believers in the ether which
remains undetected because of relativity effects on the
ether itself.

but you appear content with to believe you can set out and
arrive back at the same place and indeed you can if you are an
astrologer and liv in a 'warped space' predictive zodiacal framework

Being able to see a star behind the sun is enough proof for
me that gravity indeed warps space.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Receiving 2 GHz AM signals in space. What do they sound like?
 

Cecil Moore wrote:

Being able to see a star behind the sun is enough proof for
me that gravity indeed warps space.

Gravitational lenses are an even more dramatic from of the same.

- 73 de Mike KB3EIA -

Receiving 2 GHz AM signals in space. What do they sound like?
 

On 8 Oct, 18:43, Cecil Moore wrote:
oriel36 wrote:
"This conception is in itself not very satisfactory. It is still less
satisfactory because it leads to the result that the light emitted by
the stars and also individual stars of the stellar system are
perpetually passing out into infinite space, never to return, and
without ever again coming into interaction with other objects of
nature. Such a finite material universe would be destined to become
gradually but systematically impoverished." Albert

However, we now know that it did indeed return as background
radiation. Therefore, space is probably finite and unbounded,
i.e. warped.

Albert also had a problem with "spooky action at a distance".

Again,I would fill you in with the details of how relativity protects
Newton

Relativity also protects the believers in the ether which
remains undetected because of relativity effects on the
ether itself.

but you appear content with to believe you can set out and
arrive back at the same place and indeed you can if you are an
astrologer and liv in a 'warped space' predictive zodiacal framework

Being able to see a star behind the sun is enough proof for
me that gravity indeed warps space.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

You are very 'special' people at least those who traffic in relativity
and other such exotic junk. and I am a little surprised people have
not outgrown the excesses of the last century a lot sooner and a
little quicker when faced with the fiction but then again you are
unfamiliar with most of the srguments anyway.

SAGR." I know; such men do not deduce their conclusion from its
premises or establish it by reason, but they accommodate (I should
have said discommode and distort) the premises and reasons to a
conclusion which for them is already established and nailed down. No
good can come of dealing with such people, especially to the extent
that their company may be not only unpleasant but dangerous."
Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems, 1632 Galileo

For what it is worth,Newton created his own idiosyncratic astronomical
outlook and relativity is merely the symptoms of that late 17th
century disease,again,a very astrological one.Somehow people know that
the garbage of the last century is just that but for the present it
relies mostly on what Galileo correctly identifies as both unpleasent
and dangerous.

Good luck to you and your 'warped space' colleagues.

Receiving 2 GHz AM signals in space. What do they sound like?
 

oriel36 wrote:
You are very 'special' people at least those who traffic in relativity
and other such exotic junk.

Actually, I disagree in part with all the theories.
I think the universe is finite and unbounded and
even though expanding at the present time, will
eventually collapse on itself into a Big Crunch.
I believe the expansion is mostly an illusion that
goes undetected because of relativity and dark
energy-matter effects.

Good luck to you and your 'warped space' colleagues.

How do you explain a gravitational lens without
space being warped by a galaxy?
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Receiving 2 GHz AM signals in space. What do they sound like?
 

Cecil Moore wrote:

I think the universe is finite and unbounded and
even though expanding at the present time, will
eventually collapse on itself into a Big Crunch.
I believe the expansion is mostly an illusion that
goes undetected because of relativity and dark
energy-matter effects.

I've heard that believing in undetected phenomena can be a wonderful
way to pass the time. :-)

ac6xg

Receiving 2 GHz AM signals in space. What do they sound like?
 

Jim Kelley wrote:
I've heard that believing in undetected phenomena can be a wonderful way
to pass the time. :-)

Could have made a hero out of someone who predicted
RF waves before they were detected.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Receiving 2 GHz AM signals in space. What do they sound like?
 

On Oct 9, 10:28 pm, Cecil Moore wrote:
oriel36 wrote:
You are very 'special' people at least those who traffic in relativity
and other such exotic junk.

Actually, I disagree in part with all the theories.
I think the universe is finite and unbounded and
even though expanding at the present time, will
eventually collapse on itself into a Big Crunch.
I believe the expansion is mostly an illusion that
goes undetected because of relativity and dark
energy-matter effects.

Good luck to you and your 'warped space' colleagues.

How do you explain a gravitational lens without
space being warped by a galaxy?
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

To borrow from Galileo again -

SALV. "The same thing has struck me even more forcibly than you. I
have heard such things put forth as I should blush to repeat--not so
much to avoid discrediting their authors (whose names could always be
withheld) as to refrain from detracting so greatly from the honor of
the human race. In the long run my observations have convinced me that
some men, reasoning preposterously, first establish some conclusion In
their minds which, either because of its being their own or because of
their having received it from some person who has their entire
confidence, impresses them so deeply that one finds it impossible ever
to get it out of their heads. Such arguments in support of their fixed
idea as they hit upon themselves or hear set forth by others, no
matter how simple and stupid these may be, gain their instant
acceptance and applause. On the other hand whatever is brought forward
against it, however ingenious and conclusive, they receive with
disdain or with hot rage--if indeed it does not make them ill. Beside
themselves with passion, some of them would not be backward even about
scheming to suppress and silence their adversaries. I have had some
experience of this myself."
Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems

It is many years now since I dealt with relativity or rather the
people who are proponents and opponents of that exotic
junk,occasionally I will join a thread but even then only as a cameo
appearance.When I looked at Albert's explanation for 'warping space'
based on the lament that light leaving stars was going to waste I
thought it was hilarious and still do but nothing could have prepared
me for his rejection of the idea of stellar islands -

"This view is not in harmony with the theory of Newton. The latter
theory rather requires that the universe should have a kind of centre
in which the density of the stars is a maximum, and that as we proceed
outwards from this centre the group-density of the stars should
diminish, until finally, at great distances, it is succeeded by an
infinite region of emptiness. The stellar universe ought to be a
finite island in the infinite ocean of space."

http://www.bartleby.com/173/30.html


In 1925 ,five years after he wrote that conclusion,these things
showed up -

http://web.mit.edu/kayla/Public/Back...%20Galaxy.jpeg

Look,I have no axe to grind and if you wish to believe the cobblers of
the last century then fair play to you,two thumbs up and whatever
other accolade I can throw in your direction,I find the whole thing
funny but that is just me.

Receiving 2 GHz AM signals in space. What do they sound like?
 

Cecil Moore wrote:
Jim Kelley wrote:

I've heard that believing in undetected phenomena can be a wonderful
way to pass the time. :-)


Could have made a hero out of someone who predicted
RF waves before they were detected.

Usually just makes for good fantasy writers.

ac6xg

Receiving 2 GHz AM signals in space. What do they sound like?
 

oriel36 wrote:
To borrow from Galileo again -

Think we have learned anything since Galileo?
Have you ever read, "Flatland"?

Look,I have no axe to grind and if you wish to believe the cobblers of
the last century ...

I said in my last posting that I don't accept any
of the popular theories. IMO, every theory of the
universe that I have ever read is wrong in certain
areas. I know why an ever-expanding universe collapses
on itself in the long run. I am not aware of any popular
theory that explains that (apparent) contradiction.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Receiving 2 GHz AM signals in space. What do they sound like?
 

Jim Kelley wrote:
Usually just makes for good fantasy writers.

Ever see the Star Trek episode about the the
starship that was traveling at 99% of the speed
of light between solar systems during the time
that warp-6 drive was invented and their great-
great-grand-children were waiting for them when
they arrived? :-) Or was that a Robert A. Heinlein
Novel?
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Receiving 2 GHz AM signals in space. What do they sound like?
 

Cecil Moore wrote:
I know why an ever-expanding universe collapses
on itself in the long run.

Perhaps. But I'll bet you don't know how it does it. :-)

ac6xg

Receiving 2 GHz AM signals in space. What do they sound like?
 

On Oct 10, 8:06 pm, Cecil Moore wrote:
oriel36 wrote:
To borrow from Galileo again -

Think we have learned anything since Galileo?
Have you ever read, "Flatland"?


I have read that wonderful sci-fi novel from the 19th century -

"'Scientific people,' proceeded the Time Traveller, after the pause
required for the proper assimilation of this, 'know very well that
Time is only a kind of Space. "

http://www.bartleby.com/1000/1.html

So,you believe in a 1905 relativistic concept whoes conclusions match
those which could be found in any sci-fi bookshelf in 1898 !.I suppose
you cannot make the correlation between the dates of 1898 and 1905 but
then again,no person should need to.

So Cecil,go enjoy the epilogue of Well's fictional 'Time Machine'
novel,close the book and don't go believing in the flatlanders of
Albert except as an uproarious formal extension of the narrative -

http://www.bartleby.com/173/31.html

Maybe you would like to base geology on Verne's 'Journey To The
Center Of The Earth' but I think you at least know by now where I
stand and I leave you to your own devices.














Look,I have no axe to grind and if you wish to believe the cobblers of
the last century ...

I said in my last posting that I don't accept any
of the popular theories. IMO, every theory of the
universe that I have ever read is wrong in certain
areas. I know why an ever-expanding universe collapses
on itself in the long run. I am not aware of any popular
theory that explains that (apparent) contradiction.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Receiving 2 GHz AM signals in space. What do they sound like?
 

Jim Kelley wrote:
Perhaps. But I'll bet you don't know how it does it. :-)

It wouldn't surprise me if the "how" was
time flowing backwards - you wake up a
day younger than you were yesterday. :-)
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Receiving 2 GHz AM signals in space. What do they sound like?
 

oriel36 wrote:
"'Scientific people,' proceeded the Time Traveller, after the pause
required for the proper assimilation of this, 'know very well that
Time is only a kind of Space. "

I agree. I think time, like universal expansion,
is an illusion akin to a religion. I tend to agree
with Julian Barbour in, "The End Of Time".

What we experience as a "passing-of-time event",
is only a change whose probability function has
collapsed. The past is *where* (not when) all
probability functions have collapsed. The future
is *where* (not when) no probability functions have
collapsed. Time, after all, is only a physical
dimensional *change* in the rotation of the earth
and/or in earth's orbit around the sun.

IMO, time is no more real than the Sun-God riding
his chariot across the sky every day. Any equation
that contains a time term needs to take that into
account.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Receiving 2 GHz AM signals in space. What do they sound like?
 

Cecil Moore wrote:
oriel36 wrote:
"'Scientific people,' proceeded the Time Traveller, after the pause
required for the proper assimilation of this, 'know very well that
Time is only a kind of Space. "

IMO, time is no more real than the Sun-God riding
his chariot across the sky every day. Any equation
that contains a time term needs to take that into
account.

Of course this is all true. However, to primitive earthlings viewing
the daily progress of the sun across the sky the chariot theory is
perfectly sane and real. That IS how it appears to the earth observer.
Same for time.

For argument assume that all possible events and actions and the
progression between them all is laid out in some huge matrix. In that
sense all this structure is only "a kind of space". Now imagine a
consciousness that has a certain velocity and is capable of
experiencing the matrix in a very narrow viewpoint much as a needle
plays a phonograph record. That needle has followed a certain path up
to the point where it presently is. That path is fixed and
unalterable. What it did, it did! Where the needle is right now is in
fact, experienced as 'now". But the path that the needle might take is
open to choice (free will) and that new path would be termed the
future. The needle doesn't skip around so choices DO have consequences
of things you must "go through" if you choose a certain "path".

If you take flatland to the next level, what you observe is that
higher dimensions manifest themselves in the lower dimensions as time!
So if you were to take a viewpoint high above the matrix observing a
consciousness inscribing it's path through life, to you you'd see all
"parallel universes" plus the past that was taken, plus what was being
experienced "now" as well as the possible choices for the future.
Given some input, you probably could even estimate the most probable
future path to be chosen.

But of course none of this answers the most important question which
is what do 2 GHz AM signals in space sound like? I believe the answer
is that they sound just like the Venusian signals Adamski received
from the beamships right before they appeared!

Receiving 2 GHz AM signals in space. What do they sound like?
 

Cecil Moore wrote:
IMO, time is no more real than the Sun-God riding
his chariot across the sky every day.

And as real as the sweep of an electron beam across a CRT.

Any equation
that contains a time term needs to take that into
account.

Can you provide an example of how that would be done?

ac6xg

Receiving 2 GHz AM signals in space. What do they sound like?
 

On 10 Oct, 21:11, Cecil Moore wrote:
oriel36 wrote:
"'Scientific people,' proceeded the Time Traveller, after the pause
required for the proper assimilation of this, 'know very well that
Time is only a kind of Space. "

I agree. I think time, like universal expansion,
is an illusion akin to a religion. I tend to agree
with Julian Barbour in, "The End Of Time".

What we experience as a "passing-of-time event",
is only a change whose probability function has
collapsed. The past is *where* (not when) all
probability functions have collapsed. The future
is *where* (not when) no probability functions have
collapsed. Time, after all, is only a physical
dimensional *change* in the rotation of the earth
and/or in earth's orbit around the sun.

IMO, time is no more real than the Sun-God riding
his chariot across the sky every day. Any equation
that contains a time term needs to take that into
account.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

I see billions of dollars will be spent on investigating 'dark matter'
and 'dark energy' and that scam takes some doing but it pales in
comparison to the original imaginative junk of Newton/Flamsteed.

You have all the self-assurances of somebody who truly believes in
what would normally be harmless nonsense but unfortunately the same
people who believe in the junk are commenting on climate as 'experts'.

Receiving 2 GHz AM signals in space. What do they sound like?
 

oriel36 wrote:
You have all the self-assurances of somebody who truly believes in
what would normally be harmless nonsense but unfortunately the same
people who believe in the junk are commenting on climate as 'experts'.

IMO, we are already into the next ice age, the global
warming temperature having peaked some 8000 years ago.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:I...emperature.png
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

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Don't tell Al Gore...they may take him out of the running for a Nobel...



Cecil Moore wrote:
oriel36 wrote:

You have all the self-assurances of somebody who truly believes in
what would normally be harmless nonsense but unfortunately the same
people who believe in the junk are commenting on climate as 'experts'.


IMO, we are already into the next ice age, the global
warming temperature having peaked some 8000 years ago.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:I...emperature.png

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Receiving 2 GHz AM signals in space. What do they sound like?
 

Top-posting repaired.

On Oct 12, 7:17 am, Scott wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote:
oriel36 wrote:

You have all the self-assurances of somebody who truly believes in
what would normally be harmless nonsense but unfortunately the same
people who believe in the junk are commenting on climate as 'experts'.

IMO, we are already into the next ice age, the global
warming temperature having peaked some 8000 years ago.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:I...emperature.png

Don't tell Al Gore...they may take him out of the running for a Nobel...


As you no doubt know by the time you're reading this, he
got his Nobel.

And can you explain why, if we are in an ice age, the arctic
ice is melting faster than the most pessimistic models had
predicted?
http://nsidc.org/news/press/20070430_StroeveGRL.html

Don't glaciers normally advance in ice ages rather than
recede?

http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/413.htm
http://environment.newscientist.com/article/dn11064

- Randy

Why begin each of your posts with such monotonous auto-spam ?
 

Randy began his post:
“ Top-posting repaired.

On Oct 12, 7:17 am, Scott wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote: ”.

F.Y.I. I'm constantly “ repairing ” your posts
by deleting this auto-generated crap.

I can see the god-damn thread,
so why begin each of your posts with such monotonous auto-spam ?

Receiving 2 GHz AM signals in space. What do they sound like?
 

Randy Poe wrote:
And can you explain why, if we are in an ice age, the arctic
ice is melting faster than the most pessimistic models had
predicted?

Short term variation of plus and minus 2.5 degrees
but the temperature envelope for the past 8000 years
shows a downtrend. We are not in an ice age yet
but the present ice age *cycle* began 8000 years
ago. It is possible that the greenhouse gases are
actually delaying the onset of that next ice age which
will eventually destroy America's breadbasket. Al Gore
will become one of the most ridiculed men in US history
(for the Nth time).
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Receiving 2 GHz AM signals in space. What do they sound like?
 

On Oct 11, 7:35 pm, Cecil Moore wrote:
oriel36 wrote:
You have all the self-assurances of somebody who truly believes in
what would normally be harmless nonsense but unfortunately the same
people who believe in the junk are commenting on climate as 'experts'.

IMO, we are already into the next ice age, the global
warming temperature having peaked some 8000 years ago.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:I...emperature.png
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Cecil

The world is full of opinions,it is now called the 'scientific
method'.

While it looks like there is a broad gap between the error created by
Flamsteed in 1677 and global climate concerns of the present era,the
truth is more concise,specifically this late 17th century hoax -

http://www.analemma.com/Pages/framesPage.html

Ah,who am I kidding,you are into warped space.time travel ect and who
knows what else.

Receiving 2 GHz AM signals in space. What do they sound like?
 

oriel36 wrote:
Ah,who am I kidding,you are into warped space.time travel ect and who
knows what else.

How can I believe in time-travel when I don't believe
that time even exists? Some changes are reversible
and some are not. If you want to consider a reversed
change to be time travel be my guest, but I don't
buy it.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Receiving 2 GHz AM signals in space. What do they sound like?
 

On 12 Oct, 22:48, Cecil Moore wrote:
oriel36 wrote:
Ah,who am I kidding,you are into warped space.time travel ect and who
knows what else.

How can I believe in time-travel when I don't believe
that time even exists?

Funny,funny funny !,Cecil,I like you but you are not as funny as
Albert.

"Now he has departed from this strange world a little ahead of me.
That means nothing. People like us, who believe in physics, know that
the distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly
persistent illusion." Albert

Strange world indeed ! and it there is not the slightest sign that
humanity has outgrown junk like that,relativity being the sympotroms
of the disease rather than the disease itself (that exists back in a
different era).





Some changes are reversible
and some are not. If you want to consider a reversed
change to be time travel be my guest, but I don't
buy it.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Buy indeed !.

Would you care to buy a container load of dark matter,I am doing a
special on it this week, $20 000 dollars a cubic foot,cash only .

Thanks Cecil for the laugh,you seem content to live in the imagination
of others and especially the astrological framework of Flamsteed/
Newton so as long as you are happy then that is all that counts.

Receiving 2 GHz AM signals in space. What do they sound like?
 

On Oct 10, 1:30 pm, Benj wrote:
So if you were to take a viewpoint high above the matrix observing a
consciousness inscribing it's path through life, to you you'd

What does "it is path" mean, illiterate ****head!!?

But of course none of this answers the most important question which
is what do 2 GHz AM signals in space sound like? I believe the answer
is that they sound just like the Venusian signals Adamski received
from the beamships right before they appeared!

why before? why not behind?

Receiving 2 GHz AM signals in space. What do they sound like?
 

On Oct 12, 11:44 am, oriel36 wrote:
Ah,who am I kidding,you are into warped space.time travel ect and who
knows what else.

ect?

http://google.com/groups?q=Autymn+time-travel

Size and farness in spase are the same entity; there is no matter
without them. So warped size is the same as one component of warped
matter, in the potential-span relations.