Denny wrote:
On 160m, many think they can elevate a vertical 20
ft or so, and use maybe 4-8-10 radials to get good
performance.
It just doesn't work that way.

Read Christman... Read Moxon... In general I agree with you but the
devil is in the details...

I had a 1/4WL 40m vertical with 8 elevated 1/4WL
radials sloping from 20 ft to 5 feet above ground.
At no time or distance did the vertical ever beat
the one-wavelength dipole in the general directions
of the dipole's maximum gain. I assumed it was because
the radials were not high enough and not horizontal.
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73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com