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Roy Lewallen wrote:
Roger wrote: Hi Roy, Could I add this observation? Both traveling waves and standing waves can be measured. A single volt meter or ammeter will measure the standing wave which is the sum of the traveling waves.. This isn't quite correct. A standing wave is the result of isn't the sum of traveling waves. It's a description of the envelope of the current distribution that sum produces. The sum of the traveling wave voltages is the total voltage. The sum of the traveling wave currents is the total current. It's relatively to measure the total voltage or current at any point and, if you measure them at enough points you can use the measurements to draw a graph of the standing wave. Yes, you have said it better than I. A DIRECTIONAL volt meter or ammeter will measure only the traveling wave within the design direction, but can not distinguish between components from multiple reflections that might combine. Yes. A directional voltmeter or ammeter will measure the same voltage or current no matter where it is placed in the transmission line under steady state conditions, assuming no resistive losses in the transmission line. That's only partially true. Both the traveling waves and the total voltage and current have not only magnitude but also phase. A directional coupler can measure both the magnitude and phase of the traveling waves (but some directional detectors like a Bird wattmeter indirectly measure only the amplitude). Traveling wave measurements at different points along a lossless line will have the same magnitude, but different phases. So the voltages or currents at those points aren't the same. Roy Lewallen, W7EL This last paragraph gets to the heart of the issue. One concept of a transmission line is that the traveling wave is always in phase in the sense that the power contained in the wave is the envelope that is properly considered. In this concept, the voltage and current are always in phase, MUST be in phase. This power wave may be split as at a reflection point, but the components will never be out of phase because the power calculation would be incorrect.if it was out of phase. The second concept of a transmission line allows the traveling wave to have voltage out of phase with the current. Here the power can be all stored in either the current (magnetic) field or the voltage field, depending upon the phase of the traveling wave. The character of the wave changes (so to speak) depending upon location and phase. If the transmission line is terminated with a resistance, the constantly-in-phase traveling wave concept provides the theoretical basis for calculation of the reflection coefficient. I think that consideration of the conditions at the end of a transmission line are a good place to examine as we try to get some experimental guidance. If the transmission line is shorted (or open), it is hard to visualize how the voltage (or current) could flow to the short (or open) and then just disappear. Does the wave cancel (or disappear) at the intersection (open end)? Do the waves pass through each other, so we see only the vector sum? Do the waves "pile up" at the open end, but not at the short? The constantly-in-phase traveling wave concept requires the difficult-to-believe observation that a directional ammeter placed very near the end of an open transmission line will read the same current as if it were placed at the source end. Perhaps someone can perform that experiment some day, but I can not imagine how it can be done without placing a load on the line, thus invalidating the initial assumptions. 73, Roger, W7WKB |
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