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AI4QJ wrote:
"art" wrote in message
...
Guy's
You must know that the holy grail of physics is GUT which is now
gyrating towards
relatavistic theory out of delusionment with Newton. Newtons laws are
based
around equilibrium with respect to gravitational forces. Maxwells laws
do not
but we are in the same universe so it is reasonable that both sciences
are
unified.
Gauss's theory of statics evolves around equilibrium with respect to a
group
of static particles held within the limits of a gravitational force
ie.
Newtons terminology.Adding a time varient brings the stage to a
electromagnetic
arrangement with respect to Maxwell. On the way we learn about
equilibrium
being maintained by adding full wave length radiators to Gaussian law.
We then see that the resultant of the transition from Gauss to Maxwell
type radiation formula becomes the equivalent of a "tank" circuit
where if the
radiator is diamagnetic the static particals can rest on its surface.
We also know that levitation is created when current flows followed by
a magnetic field
which ejects the particles outside the immediate gravitational field.
So with science being what it is, today where we have computor
programs built around
Maxwell's laws that can be used to deduce radiator dimensions with
respect to shape
and elevation positions when maximum horizontal polarisation is
required.
Thus modern day computors provide the answer as a full wavelength
radiator that is
at an angle to the earth of just under 80 degrees.
Now I had no input with resect to the design of Maxwellian computor
programs but I have
messed with some jigsaw puzzles where it is well known that the first
portion
placed on the table determines the speed of the process. So I invite
you to ask
your computor program to deduce the style of a radiator that produces
the maximum
horizontal polarization and then determine if Maxwell would have
helped himself
and all science by adding a time variant to Gaussian law and
incorporated it into his own?
Put the request into your Maxwellian based radiation computor program
if you are
not to lazy, where you will learn details of the GUT that Maxwell
failed to provide.
The holy grail is no more!
Best regards
Art Unwin...KB9MZ...xg (uk)

Adding a time variant (dt) to Gause's static law turns "charge" (coulombs)
into "current" (amperes). I think Maxwell's equations already cover that
concept and goes on to decribe the effects of changing voltages and currents
on electric and magnetic fields. I don't see any new concepts being added
here.

With regard to unification theory, I sure would like to see that in my
lifetime but probably will not. There may simply be no direct correlation
between gravitational, electrical and the strong and weak nuclear forces.
Why MUST there be a unifier? No unification may have been intended ;-)



By whom?
73,
Tom Donaly, KA6RUH

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Derek wrote:

Hi Roy
You have the program, do as Art say's and tell us what it
comes up with.

Derek

Sorry, I haven't taken orders since I became a civilian again nearly 40
years ago. Why don't you?

I don't have the right kind of program, anyway. EZNEC doesn't have
checkboxes to select "Gaussian", "equilibrium" and photon velocity. I
think Art must use a special version of MN which takes all those factors
into account.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

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Art wrote:
"Thus modern day computors provide the answer as a full wavelength
radiator that is at an angle to the earth of just under 80 degrees."

In the real world we try to get maximum results with minimum investmennt
in effort and materials. An unbalanced 1/4-wave or a balanced 1/2-wave
seems appropriate.

As far as angles go, polarization is the direction of the electric
field, usually horizontal or vertical for mechanical as well as
electrical purposes.

You can take Kraus to the bank. Check his index for "Mutual Impedance"
of paralleled dipoles or echelon antennas. Better yet, you likely have
experience with trials of cross-polarization of VHF or UHF antennas. You
have seen the havoc cross-polarization causes. Now, is there any angle
between fully aligned and completely misaligned where we discover a
magic peak? Of course not.

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI

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On 5 Dec, 20:33, (Richard Harrison) wrote:
Art wrote:

"Thus modern day computors provide the answer as a full wavelength
radiator that is at an angle to the earth of just under 80 degrees."

In the real world we try to get maximum results with minimum investmennt
in effort and materials. An unbalanced 1/4-wave or a balanced 1/2-wave
seems appropriate.

As far as angles go, polarization is the direction of the electric
field, usually horizontal or vertical for mechanical as well as
electrical purposes.

You can take Kraus to the bank. Check his index for "Mutual Impedance"
of paralleled dipoles or echelon antennas. Better yet, you likely have
experience with trials of cross-polarization of VHF or UHF antennas. You
have seen the havoc cross-polarization causes. Now, is there any angle
between fully aligned and completely misaligned where we discover a
magic peak? Of course not.

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI

O.K. you WIN Richard. You run so many different routes that
I can't keep up with you. You deny the validity of computor programs
and Roy sulks because none of his programs have the optimiser feature
which is the easiest way of solving the question.
You can place the radiator where ever you want to get the results
that you would like to see.So you don't trust computor programs,
programmers or you just never tried to use them?
You can now get back to argueing with Cecil on coil currents
which will allow some more disconnecting reading from Terman
of yesteryear. There is nothing more to be said regarding
the resultant vector of a radiator's active vectors which is
the basic issue that I was discussing in the first place.
Hopefully you will recover by morning and look on life
in a different manner.
Art

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On 5 Dec, 19:54, "AI4QJ" wrote:
"Mike Kaliski" wrote in message

...







"AI4QJ" wrote in message
...

"art" wrote in message
...
Guy's
You must know that the holy grail of physics is GUT which is now
gyrating towards
relatavistic theory out of delusionment with Newton. Newtons laws are
based
around equilibrium with respect to gravitational forces. Maxwells laws
do not
but we are in the same universe so it is reasonable that both sciences
are
unified.
Gauss's theory of statics evolves around equilibrium with respect to a
group
of static particles held within the limits of a gravitational force
ie.
Newtons terminology.Adding a time varient brings the stage to a
electromagnetic
arrangement with respect to Maxwell. On the way we learn about
equilibrium
being maintained by adding full wave length radiators to Gaussian law.
We then see that the resultant of the transition from Gauss to Maxwell
type radiation formula becomes the equivalent of a "tank" circuit
where if the
radiator is diamagnetic the static particals can rest on its surface.
We also know that levitation is created when current flows followed by
a magnetic field
which ejects the particles outside the immediate gravitational field.
So with science being what it is, today where we have computor
programs built around
Maxwell's laws that can be used to deduce radiator dimensions with
respect to shape
and elevation positions when maximum horizontal polarisation is
required.
Thus modern day computors provide the answer as a full wavelength
radiator that is
at an angle to the earth of just under 80 degrees.
Now I had no input with resect to the design of Maxwellian computor
programs but I have
messed with some jigsaw puzzles where it is well known that the first
portion
placed on the table determines the speed of the process. So I invite
you to ask
your computor program to deduce the style of a radiator that produces
the maximum
horizontal polarization and then determine if Maxwell would have
helped himself
and all science by adding a time variant to Gaussian law and
incorporated it into his own?
Put the request into your Maxwellian based radiation computor program
if you are
not to lazy, where you will learn details of the GUT that Maxwell
failed to provide.
The holy grail is no more!
Best regards
Art Unwin...KB9MZ...xg (uk)

Adding a time variant (dt) to Gause's static law turns "charge"
(coulombs) into "current" (amperes). I think Maxwell's equations already
cover that concept and goes on to decribe the effects of changing
voltages and currents on electric and magnetic fields. I don't see any
new concepts being added here.

With regard to unification theory, I sure would like to see that in my
lifetime but probably will not. There may simply be no direct
correlation between gravitational, electrical and the strong and weak
nuclear forces. Why MUST there be a unifier? No unification may have been
intended ;-)

Light is distorted by gravity
Light is propagated by photons
Photons are characterised as an oscillating packet of electrical and
magnetic fields
Photons are emitted and absorbed by electrons which encircle an atomic
neucleus
Atomic nucleii are held together by the strong and weak nuclear forces
Atomic nucleii have mass which gives rise to gravity (which distorts
light)

How much more unification is needed?

Simplistic, but does it really have to be much more complicated than this
at a practical (everyday) level?

Proving this mathematically is a real nightmare, which probably goes to
show that it is our understanding of mathematics that is lacking rather
than some inherent error in the way the universe works.

Agree completely. But I don't think it has anything to do with diamagnetic
materials and loose electrons being levitated due to a relationship between
electric and gravitational forces whose relationship maxwell missed
somewhere along the way.- Hide quoted text -

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I know you are a newby to physics and you stated "but I don't think"
But I want you to think about the materials that are selected for
radiation.
Are they all of a specific type? Which has this levitation effect
connection
on all or some of these materials ? What is the connection with
respect to
tank circuits and oscillation? Where do oxide particles come into the
picture?
Where does the equilibrium or gravitational factors of Newton blend
in
with the electromagnetic phenomina. Where does the particulates come
from that
for a external layer that is called a "skin". Why do some decay and
others do not.What does it mean when a particle escapes from the
immediate
gravitational borders as alluded to by Gauss e.t.c
None of this is mentioned by Maxwell other than the basic law created
by intuition but without the associated facts.So to answer the
questions
about which you "don't think" you now have to be a detective yourself
to
provide any possible direction as an alternate.Suggestion, look up
the
definitions of equilibrium and gravitation to see exactly how those
words
became interactive in the minds of the masters in the 18th century and
mull
in your mind the implications that they have with respect to the
universe
or nature, which ever you prefer. Also look up G.U.T. to see why
physics
attach so much importance to the subject and again mull in your mind
why
there is so much research and time in the subject of which you
"don't
think" about. But then I am asking to much of you to try to
understand
radiation or even antenna computor programs.
Art

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Art wrote:
"O.K. you win Richard."

It isn`t a competition. It`s a discussion. Art is aware that the
electric field vector is at right angles to the magnetic field vector
and that both are at right angles with the direction of propagation.

When the receiver`s electric vector is aligned with the transmitter`s,
their magnetic vectors are in alignment too. Communications couldn`t be
better to the best of my knowledge. With circular or elliptical
polarization, we worry about right hand or left hand polarizations, but
I`m assuming linear polarizations. There is a wave tilt associated with
propagation along a lossy surface, but I`ll be darned if I can grasp
Art`s tilt factor.

Best regards, RRichard Harrison, KB5WZI

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On 5 Dec, 22:27, (Richard Harrison) wrote:
Art wrote:

"O.K. you win Richard."

It isn`t a competition. It`s a discussion. Art is aware that the
electric field vector is at right angles to the magnetic field vector
and that both are at right angles with the direction of propagation.

When the receiver`s electric vector is aligned with the transmitter`s,
their magnetic vectors are in alignment too. Communications couldn`t be
better to the best of my knowledge. With circular or elliptical
polarization, we worry about right hand or left hand polarizations, but
I`m assuming linear polarizations. There is a wave tilt associated with
propagation along a lossy surface, but I`ll be darned if I can grasp
Art`s tilt factor.

Best regards, RRichard Harrison, KB5WZI

That is because you quote outdated technology and have lost the means
of deduction for yourself. You are not alone. Apparently the group
itself are in the same boat. Somehow it seems a bit rediculous that
we have a group for discussing antennas where NONE can deduce the
most efficient angle of a radiator with respect to ground when
desiring maximum horizontal polarisation gain with the majority
having possesion of an "american" degree!
It seems rediculous that a argument on just a coil can go on for years
with nothing to show for it other than talking about it forever
and displaying their ever growing testerone level in a fashion that
pushes aside all other discussion. If you were willing to accept
computor
aids in your life and learn how to use them you could leapfrog
into the present age. But you are to lazy and to old and unwilling to
change
thus relying on a education that is over fifty years old.
You just cannot have reasonable communication on antennas or
anything else by disregarding present science and substitute insults
in the place of knoweledge ,or for that matter, quoting a books
writings
not pertinant to the subject at hand.It makes no sense for anybody
that
is interested in antennas is not interested or care about any radiator
other than those that are planar . That also goes for the naval
academy in
Washington and NASA and other institutions.
Art

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art wrote:

...
Washington and NASA and other institutions.
Art

My mother 78+ has trouble with her cell phone ... I shudder at teaching
her the ins-and-outs of a programmable calculator ... long hand
calculations take time.

Some are stuck with antenna modeling programs ... indeed, a tribute to
them for mastering those. The world will not change at a snap of your
fingers.

I have a smith chart program, that is enough for me--Cecil does it by hand!

Regards,
JS

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John Smith wrote:
I have a smith chart program, that is enough for me--Cecil does it by hand!

Are you talking about the Smith Chart or sex?
I have MicroSmith and use it often. Unfortunately,
I cannot do a MicroSmith screen capture with
Windows XP so I am handicapped in passing on
the results.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

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Cecil Moore wrote:

...
Are you talking about the Smith Chart or sex?
I have MicroSmith and use it often. Unfortunately,
I cannot do a MicroSmith screen capture with
Windows XP so I am handicapped in passing on
the results.

Should be able to hit "print screen" button, open paint and paste the
image in, then save the file and attach it to an email/post ...
sometimes the print screen button is used in conjunction with a
"function button", especially on laptops.

If all that fails, a good utility for screen capture is mwsnap, you can
find it he

http://www.mirekw.com/winfreeware/mwsnap.html

Regards,
JS