On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 15:35:24 -0500, "Scott Downey"
wrote:
I read in the marine catalogs about marine CB antennas designed for boats
and not to be concerned about a ground plane.
Anyone know the answer?

Hi Scott,

It could be a half-wave antenna (or jimmied to look like one) and it
counts on the cable feed to act as the minimal counterpoise to work
against.

OR

It could be outright baloney about not needing a ground plane.
CB does not have the reputation for marketing to the savvy.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Scott Downey wrote:

Are you saying it wont work?
Why would the manufacturer make a marine CB antenna knowing it would be put
on a fiberglass boat knowing that most people would simply hook up the coax
and see it it works.
I read in the marine catalogs about marine CB antennas designed for boats
and not to be concerned about a ground plane.
Anyone know the answer?

I said "if it is a 1/4WL antenna..." If it is a 1/2WL antenna, it will work
without a ground plane. Does it have a coax connector on it? If so, what is
the outside of the connector tied to?

"Cecil Moore" wrote:
To what is the coax shield going to be tied? If that antenna is
an electrical 1/4 wavelength, where's the ground plane?
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Yes, it has a pl 259 coax connector on the antenna and it did not come with
any cable.

"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
...
Scott Downey wrote:

Are you saying it wont work?
Why would the manufacturer make a marine CB antenna knowing it would be
put
on a fiberglass boat knowing that most people would simply hook up the
coax
and see it it works.
I read in the marine catalogs about marine CB antennas designed for
boats
and not to be concerned about a ground plane.
Anyone know the answer?

I said "if it is a 1/4WL antenna..." If it is a 1/2WL antenna, it will
work
without a ground plane. Does it have a coax connector on it? If so, what
is
the outside of the connector tied to?

"Cecil Moore" wrote:
To what is the coax shield going to be tied? If that antenna is
an electrical 1/4 wavelength, where's the ground plane?
--
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Scott Downey wrote:
Yes, it has a pl 259 coax connector on the antenna and it did not come with
any cable.

But what is the outside shield of the pl259 connected to inside the antenna?
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Cecil is not fallowing along. I have an antenna just like yours and it is
designed to work without a ground plane. It is designed for boats.
"Scott Downey" wrote in message
...
Are you saying it wont work?
Why would the manufacturer make a marine CB antenna knowing it would be
put
on a fiberglass boat knowing that most people would simply hook up the
coax
and see it it works.
I read in the marine catalogs about marine CB antennas designed for boats
and not to be concerned about a ground plane.
Anyone know the answer?


"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
...
Scott Downey wrote:
The boat is mostly wood and fiberglass, only metal is railings.

To what is the coax shield going to be tied? If that antenna is
an electrical 1/4 wavelength, where's the ground plane?
--
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Sounds right to me, thanks.
How well does this antenna work for you?
I have not installed the radio yet.

"CW" wrote in message
...
Cecil is not fallowing along. I have an antenna just like yours and it is
designed to work without a ground plane. It is designed for boats.
"Scott Downey" wrote in message
...
Are you saying it wont work?
Why would the manufacturer make a marine CB antenna knowing it would be
put
on a fiberglass boat knowing that most people would simply hook up the
coax
and see it it works.
I read in the marine catalogs about marine CB antennas designed for
boats
and not to be concerned about a ground plane.
Anyone know the answer?


"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
...
Scott Downey wrote:
The boat is mostly wood and fiberglass, only metal is railings.

To what is the coax shield going to be tied? If that antenna is
an electrical 1/4 wavelength, where's the ground plane?
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp



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They work I have even seen apt window antennas but range is awful.
The best thing I found is mount with 2 U bolts or s steel hose clamps to the
stern railing as close to the centerline as possible (most those antennas
have a brass plated sleeve at the base). It's a sailboat when the gate s
closed you have plenty of ground plain.
Very difficult to get an acceptable polar pattern on Boats.
If you have a large boat use a 2 co-phased classic Shakespeare "Super Big
Stick" (21 ft sleeve antenna) a-side and above the pilot house is the
ultimate
2 co-phased antennas on the rear port and starboard stern rails work good
also.

If you can afford a boat dont be cheap with "Rube" rigged antenna systems,
it can mean a life or death situation


"Scott Downey" wrote in message
...
Are you saying it wont work?
Why would the manufacturer make a marine CB antenna knowing it would be
put
on a fiberglass boat knowing that most people would simply hook up the
coax
and see it it works.
I read in the marine catalogs about marine CB antennas designed for boats
and not to be concerned about a ground plane.
Anyone know the answer?


"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
...
Scott Downey wrote:
The boat is mostly wood and fiberglass, only metal is railings.

To what is the coax shield going to be tied? If that antenna is
an electrical 1/4 wavelength, where's the ground plane?
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp



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Don't know, never tried it. Bought it for a specific application about ten
years ago. A change of plans made it unnecessary.

"Scott Downey" wrote in message
...
Sounds right to me, thanks.
How well does this antenna work for you?
I have not installed the radio yet.

"CW" wrote in message
...
Cecil is not fallowing along. I have an antenna just like yours and it
is
designed to work without a ground plane. It is designed for boats.
"Scott Downey" wrote in message
...
Are you saying it wont work?
Why would the manufacturer make a marine CB antenna knowing it would
be
put
on a fiberglass boat knowing that most people would simply hook up the
coax
and see it it works.
I read in the marine catalogs about marine CB antennas designed for
boats
and not to be concerned about a ground plane.
Anyone know the answer?


"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
...
Scott Downey wrote:
The boat is mostly wood and fiberglass, only metal is railings.

To what is the coax shield going to be tied? If that antenna is
an electrical 1/4 wavelength, where's the ground plane?
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp



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I am not too concerned, I have VHF primarily and am just interested in
adding CB to the boat for fun. I have a handheld GE CB that is for fun and
will be used to talk to the main CB in the boat.

We do use a cell phone, I called the CG on it when I was in a storm and hit
a pier which destroyed my VHF antenna.

"-Rev Jones" wrote in message
...
They work I have even seen apt window antennas but range is awful.
The best thing I found is mount with 2 U bolts or s steel hose clamps to
the
stern railing as close to the centerline as possible (most those antennas
have a brass plated sleeve at the base). It's a sailboat when the gate s
closed you have plenty of ground plain.
Very difficult to get an acceptable polar pattern on Boats.
If you have a large boat use a 2 co-phased classic Shakespeare "Super Big
Stick" (21 ft sleeve antenna) a-side and above the pilot house is the
ultimate
2 co-phased antennas on the rear port and starboard stern rails work good
also.

If you can afford a boat dont be cheap with "Rube" rigged antenna systems,
it can mean a life or death situation


"Scott Downey" wrote in message
...
Are you saying it wont work?
Why would the manufacturer make a marine CB antenna knowing it would be
put
on a fiberglass boat knowing that most people would simply hook up the
coax
and see it it works.
I read in the marine catalogs about marine CB antennas designed for
boats
and not to be concerned about a ground plane.
Anyone know the answer?


"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
...
Scott Downey wrote:
The boat is mostly wood and fiberglass, only metal is railings.

To what is the coax shield going to be tied? If that antenna is
an electrical 1/4 wavelength, where's the ground plane?
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp



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We do use a cell phone, I called the CG on it when I was in a storm and hit
a pier which destroyed my VHF antenna.

---------------------------------
A roll up J-pole and a fishin pole come in very handy in this situation.
KC*VIF
Greg Z
to thine own sound be true