An airplane (particle) traveling at the speed of sound
causes shock waves in the air which, if passed through
double slits, would no doubt cause interference.

How about: A photon (particle) traveling at the speed
of light causes shock waves in the aether which, when
passed through double slits, causes interference?

Impossible for empty space - but we now know that space
is not empty. :-) Quoting "Alpha and Omega", by Seife,
"Empty space is an incredibly complex substance, and
scientists are just beginning to understand its properties."
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

On Feb 1, 11:43 am, Cecil Moore wrote:
An airplane (particle) traveling at the speed of sound
causes shock waves in the air which, if passed through
double slits, would no doubt cause interference.

How about: A photon (particle) traveling at the speed
of light causes shock waves in the aether which, when
passed through double slits, causes interference?

Impossible for empty space - but we now know that space
is not empty. :-) Quoting "Alpha and Omega", by Seife,
"Empty space is an incredibly complex substance, and
scientists are just beginning to understand its properties."
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Perhaps you should read up a little on fluid dynamics. Any movement in
a fluid causes "shock waves" or disturbances caused by energy transfer
to the fluid. The so called speed of sound is when the cause of the
disturbance moves at the same speed as the propagation of the energy
transfer.

Are you saying space is a fluid?

Paul, KD7HB

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On Feb 1, 11:43 am, Cecil Moore wrote:
An airplane (particle) traveling at the speed of sound
causes shock waves in the air which, if passed through
double slits, would no doubt cause interference.

How about: A photon (particle) traveling at the speed
of light causes shock waves in the aether which, when
passed through double slits, causes interference?

Impossible for empty space - but we now know that space
is not empty. :-) Quoting "Alpha and Omega", by Seife,
"Empty space is an incredibly complex substance, and
scientists are just beginning to understand its
properties."
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Perhaps you should read up a little on fluid dynamics. Any
movement in
a fluid causes "shock waves" or disturbances caused by
energy transfer
to the fluid. The so called speed of sound is when the
cause of the
disturbance moves at the same speed as the propagation of
the energy
transfer.

Are you saying space is a fluid?

Paul, KD7HB


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Yes, but a compressible fluid - with temporal implications.
G

Ed, NM2K

wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote:
Quoting "Alpha and Omega", by Seife,
"Empty space is an incredibly complex substance, ...

Are you saying space is a fluid?

Maybe "an incredibly complex substance"
exhibits some characteristics of a fluid?
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
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wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote:
Quoting "Alpha and Omega", by Seife,
"Empty space is an incredibly complex substance, ...

Are you saying space is a fluid?

Maybe "an incredibly complex substance"
exhibits some characteristics of a fluid?
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com


If the photon creates a shock wave in the aether then it must be imparting
some energy into the aether and the photon should slow down over time.

Peter

http://members.optushome.com.au/vk6ysf/vk6ysf/main.htm

Peter wrote:
If the photon creates a shock wave in the aether then it must be imparting
some energy into the aether and the photon should slow down over time.

Photons cannot slow down but you could be right about
them losing energy over time. Lengthening the wavelength
of a photon is certainly a loss of energy. That could
explain the red-shift of light from distant galaxies.

"Optics", by Hecht, 4th edition, Page 52:
"Photons are stable, chargeless, massless elementary
particles that *exist only at the speed of light*."
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Cecil Moore wrote:
Peter wrote:
If the photon creates a shock wave in the aether then it must be
imparting some energy into the aether and the photon should slow down
over time.

Photons cannot slow down but you could be right about
them losing energy over time. Lengthening the wavelength
of a photon is certainly a loss of energy. That could
explain the red-shift of light from distant galaxies.

"Optics", by Hecht, 4th edition, Page 52:
"Photons are stable, chargeless, massless elementary
particles that *exist only at the speed of light*."

While I cannot dismiss the existence of the photons, I am not aware of
any experiments which have been able to measure them.

However, to me, the fact that there is some type of interaction with our
antennas and the ether is undeniable ... and, indeed, I do not believe
that transmission of radio signals would be possible, on most
frequencies--at least, if not for the ether.

Regards,
JS

"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
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Peter wrote:
If the photon creates a shock wave in the aether then it must be
imparting some energy into the aether and the photon should slow down
over time.

Photons cannot slow down but you could be right about
them losing energy over time. Lengthening the wavelength
of a photon is certainly a loss of energy. That could
explain the red-shift of light from distant galaxies.

"Optics", by Hecht, 4th edition, Page 52:
"Photons are stable, chargeless, massless elementary
particles that *exist only at the speed of light*."
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

This is a humbling discussion!

Hadn't thought about it in terms of increasing the wave-length, but you are
now messing with some of my basic assumptions about the universe with the
obvious implication being its size and age. We might be able resurrects the
steady state model!

Question: If photons are stable, chargeless, massless elementary particles,
how do they react with anything?

Cheers

Peter VK6YSF

http://members.optushome.com.au/vk6ysf/vk6ysf/main.htm

"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
...
Peter wrote:
If the photon creates a shock wave in the aether then it must be
imparting some energy into the aether and the photon should slow down
over time.

Photons cannot slow down but you could be right about
them losing energy over time. Lengthening the wavelength
of a photon is certainly a loss of energy. That could
explain the red-shift of light from distant galaxies.

"Optics", by Hecht, 4th edition, Page 52:
"Photons are stable, chargeless, massless elementary
particles that *exist only at the speed of light*."
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Follow up.

If the energy is lost over time (Not including the effect of acceleration)
by lengthening of the wavelength and by definition lowering the frequency I
would have thought this would be one the easiest theories to test. And as
far as I know there is no observations of radio signals changing frequency
due to distance by even the slightest degree.

I was thinking about this over lunch. Thanks Cecil!


--
Peter VK6YSF

http://members.optushome.com.au/vk6ysf/vk6ysf/main.htm

On 1 feb, 20:43, Cecil Moore wrote:
An airplane (particle) traveling at the speed of sound
causes shock waves in the air which, if passed through
double slits, would no doubt cause interference.

How about: A photon (particle) traveling at the speed
of light causes shock waves in the aether which, when
passed through double slits, causes interference?

Impossible for empty space - but we now know that space
is not empty. :-) Quoting "Alpha and Omega", by Seife,
"Empty space is an incredibly complex substance, and
scientists are just beginning to understand its properties."
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Hello Cecil,

I don't believe you can compare the two phenomena.

The photons are created because of an accelerating charge (so the
photon is the wave itself, not the source that created the wave).

However, as far as I know, there is an (almost) equivalent for the
airplane/air shockwave. When you shoot a charged particle (v close to
c0) into a material with rel. eps 1 the particle will not abruptly
slow down when entering the material with high rel.eps. So it can
have a speed that is above the propagation speed of EM waves in that
material. In that case an EM shock wave occurs. Look for Cherenkov
shockwave.

Best regards,

Wim
PA3DJS
www.tetech.nl