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TOUCHSTONE.
"...I did dislike the cut of a certain courtier's beard;
he sent me word, if I said his beard was not cut well,
he was in the mind it was.
This is call'd the Retort Courteous.

"If I sent him word again it was not well cut,
he would send me word he cut it to please himself.
This is call'd the Quip Modest.

"If again it was not well cut, he disabled my judgment.
This is call'd the Reply Churlish.

"If again it was not well cut, he would answer I spake not true.
This is call'd the Reproof Valiant.

"If again it was not well cut, he would say I lie.
This is call'd the Countercheck Quarrelsome.

"And so to the Lie Circumstantial

"and the Lie Direct."

JAQUES.
"And how oft did you say his beard was not well cut?"

TOUCHSTONE.
"I durst go no further than the Lie Circumstantial,
nor he durst not give me the Lie Direct;
and so we measur'd swords and parted."

JAQUES.
"Can you nominate in order now the degrees of the lie?"

TOUCHSTONE.
"O, sir, we quarrel in print by the book, as you have books for
good manners. I will name you the degrees.

"The first, the Retort Courteous;
the second, the Quip Modest;
the third, the Reply Churlish;
the fourth, the Reproof Valiant;
the fifth, the Countercheck Quarrelsome;
the sixth, the Lie with Circumstance;
the seventh, the Lie Direct.

"All these you may avoid but the Lie Direct; and you may avoid
that too with an If. I knew when seven justices could not take up
a quarrel; but when the parties were met themselves, one of them
thought but of an If, as:
'If you said so, then I said so.'
And they shook hands, and swore brothers.

"Your If is the only peace-maker; much virtue in If."

"As You Like It," Bill Shakespeare

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

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Richard Clark wrote in
:

"As You Like It," Bill Shakespeare



The mind plays tricks on you. You play tricks back! It's like you're
unraveling a big cable-knit sweater that someone keeps knitting and
knitting and knitting and knitting and knitting and knitting

"Pee Wee's Big Adventure" Pee Wee Herman

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On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 18:17:09 -0600, Mike Coslo
wrote:

Richard Clark wrote in
:

"As You Like It," Bill Shakespeare



The mind plays tricks on you. You play tricks back! It's like you're
unraveling a big cable-knit sweater that someone keeps knitting and
knitting and knitting and knitting and knitting and knitting

"Pee Wee's Big Adventure" Pee Wee Herman

Thank you Mike,

Always there on an even keel (even if you have to hike out to do it).

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

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On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 20:52:27 -0500, "AI4QJ" wrote:

Either you
dragged him down to the level of Pee Wee Herman, or he dragged you down from
Shakespeare to that level.

Dan, my ever shocked groupie,

Everyone I know has a big but. Let's talk about your big but.

Could this be considered
groupie abuse? ;-)

It might now.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

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"AI4QJ" wrote in
:


"Richard Clark" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 20:52:27 -0500, "AI4QJ" wrote:

Either you
dragged him down to the level of Pee Wee Herman, or he dragged you
down from
Shakespeare to that level.

Dan, my ever shocked groupie,

Everyone I know has a big but. Let's talk about your big but.

Could this be considered
groupie abuse? ;-)

It might now.

Sorry Richard, your groupies don't tend to be people with technical
degrees or IQ's above 110.

Although I don't consider myself a "groupie" of Richard's, I do read all
his post's because I find him very entertaining - in the best sense of
the word - his wit is probably the best in the group, if sometimes
acerbic.

Perhaps Pee-Wee Herman is a bit pedestrian for your tastes, so here is
another one for you.

"We don't receive wisdom; we must discover it for ourselves after a
journey that no one can take for us or spare us."

Most fitting, and you certainly know the source, don't you?

And for what it is worth, the IQ here is measured out at 150. Let me know
if that is enough. If I'm not smart enough, or not technical enough for
you, please feel free to filter my messages.

- 73 de Mike N3LI -

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Richard Clark wrote in
:

On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 18:17:09 -0600, Mike Coslo
wrote:

Richard Clark wrote in
m:

"As You Like It," Bill Shakespeare



The mind plays tricks on you. You play tricks back! It's like you're
unraveling a big cable-knit sweater that someone keeps knitting and
knitting and knitting and knitting and knitting and knitting

"Pee Wee's Big Adventure" Pee Wee Herman

Thank you Mike,

Always there on an even keel (even if you have to hike out to do it).

At your service Richard - one does has to come up for air
occasionally in here. 8^)

- 73 de Mike N3LI -

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"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...
"AI4QJ" wrote in
:


"Richard Clark" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 20:52:27 -0500, "AI4QJ" wrote:

Either you
dragged him down to the level of Pee Wee Herman, or he dragged you
down from
Shakespeare to that level.

Dan, my ever shocked groupie,

Everyone I know has a big but. Let's talk about your big but.

Could this be considered
groupie abuse? ;-)

It might now.

Sorry Richard, your groupies don't tend to be people with technical
degrees or IQ's above 110.

Although I don't consider myself a "groupie" of Richard's, I do read all
his post's because I find him very entertaining - in the best sense of
the word - his wit is probably the best in the group, if sometimes
acerbic.

Perhaps Pee-Wee Herman is a bit pedestrian for your tastes, so here is
another one for you.

"We don't receive wisdom; we must discover it for ourselves after a
journey that no one can take for us or spare us."

Most fitting, and you certainly know the source, don't you?

And for what it is worth, the IQ here is measured out at 150. Let me know
if that is enough. If I'm not smart enough, or not technical enough for
you, please feel free to filter my messages.

- 73 de Mike N3LI -

Only 150? Ahaha! Inferiority complex!

Mind you... could be worse... Did you know that at the last count nearly
half the population had less than the average IQ?

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Suzy wrote:
Mind you... could be worse... Did you know that at the last count nearly
half the population had less than the average IQ?

Would you believe that the largest group of people
with the same IQ are neither above or below average? :-)
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

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Suzy wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message

And for what it is worth, the IQ here is measured out at 150. Let me know
if that is enough. If I'm not smart enough, or not technical enough for
you, please feel free to filter my messages.

- 73 de Mike N3LI -

Only 150? Ahaha! Inferiority complex!

Mind you... could be worse... Did you know that at the last count nearly
half the population had less than the average IQ?


It's alarming I tell ya! fortunately one group amongst us isn't afraid
to stare down the foul gullet of the truth:

http://www.dailyredundancy.com/archives/1012.html


for the obtuse among us, it's a satire site.

- 73 de Mike N3LI -

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Cecil Moore wrote:
Suzy wrote:
Mind you... could be worse... Did you know that at the last count
nearly half the population had less than the average IQ?

Would you believe that the largest group of people
with the same IQ are neither above or below average? :-)

It all depends on the fineness of the tool. Present measurement
techniques do indeed have most people at that statistical "average
intelligence". But I liken it to using a meter that has only 10 volt
increments. A lot of different voltages can be covered in gross
increments like that.

- 73 de Mike N3LI -

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"Jim Higgins" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 22:59:08 -0600, Mike Coslo
wrote:

Perhaps Pee-Wee Herman is a bit pedestrian for your tastes,
so here is another one for you.


"I think we're sending our kids a mixed message. Magic Johnson didn't
practice safe sex, and we made him a hero. Pee Wee Herman practiced
safe sex, and we threw him in jail."
--Allegedly from an anonymous editorial in the Shreveport Times.

And here in Australia we have a young (16) oaf who held a party at his
parents' place while they were away, which grew to 500 youths who trashed
the house, pelted Police with bottles, and he declared "It was great. I'd do
it all again". His reward is to be glorified by the press and Feted by
manager Max Markson (already...) and about to embark on a world tour...

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On Feb 3, 11:59*pm, Mike Coslo wrote:


Although I don't consider myself a "groupie" of Richard's, I do read all
his post's because I find him very entertaining - in the best sense of
the word - his wit is probably the best in the group, if sometimes
acerbic.

Perhaps Pee-Wee Herman is a bit pedestrian for your tastes,

I know, Iknow, I guess I have this elitist streak in me.

so here is
another one for you.

"We don't receive wisdom; we must discover it for ourselves after a
journey that no one can take for us or spare us."

Most fitting, and you certainly know the source, don't you?

I do know the source but question its relationship to rraa.


And for what it is worth, the IQ here is measured out at 150.

I know. Almost EVERYONE here claims to have a superior IQ and I will
say further that I could never claim an IQ that high niether could
0.01% of the population in the world. It just seems odd to me that so
many high IQ people gravitate to rraa. So much brain power all in one
place!

Certainly you are a MENSA member. What is your MENSA number if I may
ask?

In truth, I think there is only one or perhaps two people in this
group who really do have such abilities, one is a MENSA member and you
can tell by the quality of his posts. The other is the one who is
actually capable of challenging him and does so on a regular basis.
Meanwhile I shall be happy with my measly 135, which is still enough
to sort through the regular BS I see here.

Let me know
if that is enough. If I'm not smart enough, or not technical enough for
you, please feel free to filter my messages.

Smart enough? YOU are the on with the 150 IQ! I am not even
intellectually endowed withenough brain power to achieve a PhD. You
could replace Steven Hawking as the Dean of Physics at Cambridge!

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Michael Coslo wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote:
Would you believe that the largest group of people
with the same IQ are neither above or below average? :-)

It all depends on the fineness of the tool. Present measurement
techniques do indeed have most people at that statistical "average
intelligence". But I liken it to using a meter that has only 10 volt
increments. A lot of different voltages can be covered in gross
increments like that.

Hey Mike, I think you just invented fractal IQ's. :-)
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

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Cecil Moore wrote:
Michael Coslo wrote:
It all depends on the fineness of the tool. Present measurement
techniques do indeed have most people at that statistical "average
intelligence". But I liken it to using a meter that has only 10 volt
increments. A lot of different voltages can be covered in gross
increments like that.

Hey Mike, I think you just invented fractal IQ's. :-)

Here's a statistics question: How many questions would
there have to be on an IQ test to ensure that no two
people in the world had exactly the same score?
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

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Cecil Moore wrote:
Michael Coslo wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote:
Would you believe that the largest group of people
with the same IQ are neither above or below average? :-)

It all depends on the fineness of the tool. Present measurement
techniques do indeed have most people at that statistical "average
intelligence". But I liken it to using a meter that has only 10 volt
increments. A lot of different voltages can be covered in gross
increments like that.

Hey Mike, I think you just invented fractal IQ's. :-)


I better rush out to patent it Cecil! hehe

- 73 d eMike N3LI -

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Cecil Moore wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote:
Michael Coslo wrote:
It all depends on the fineness of the tool. Present measurement
techniques do indeed have most people at that statistical "average
intelligence". But I liken it to using a meter that has only 10 volt
increments. A lot of different voltages can be covered in gross
increments like that.

Hey Mike, I think you just invented fractal IQ's. :-)

Here's a statistics question: How many questions would
there have to be on an IQ test to ensure that no two
people in the world had exactly the same score?

Under the present systems, we'd all be long gone before we ever
finished the test. Billions no doubt.

Of course, we are not talking practicalities here, just some
statistical goofing around.

- 73 de Mike N3LI -

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Jim Higgins wrote:
On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 19:42:30 GMT, Cecil Moore
wrote:

Cecil Moore wrote:
Michael Coslo wrote:
It all depends on the fineness of the tool. Present measurement
techniques do indeed have most people at that statistical "average
intelligence". But I liken it to using a meter that has only 10 volt
increments. A lot of different voltages can be covered in gross
increments like that.
Hey Mike, I think you just invented fractal IQ's. :-)
Here's a statistics question: How many questions would
there have to be on an IQ test to ensure that no two
people in the world had exactly the same score?

There is no such number.


And let's not assume that intelligence will always be measured in the
manner it is now.

- 73 de Mike N3LI -