tv ant look alike? LP
 

hi

pretty soon when current tv broadcast stops i was thinkng my
building master ant will either be left there or just removed

i thought about petitioning the coop board to let me have the space
under the guise of replacing the antenna with another that looked for
the most part just like/simular to the old tv ant but actually
subsituting a ham antenna

my first thought as far as a look alike was to a LP , just
wondering of all of the antennas out there anyone know which specific
brand might come closest to looking like a regular tv antenna?




thanks

tv ant look alike? LP
 

On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:50:46 GMT, ml wrote:

hi

pretty soon when current tv broadcast stops i was thinkng my
building master ant will either be left there or just removed

i thought about petitioning the coop board to let me have the space
under the guise of replacing the antenna with another that looked for
the most part just like/simular to the old tv ant but actually
subsituting a ham antenna

my first thought as far as a look alike was to a LP , just
wondering of all of the antennas out there anyone know which specific
brand might come closest to looking like a regular tv antenna?

Hi Myles,

Any Log periodic that looks like a TV antenna is going to cover
VHF/UHF - keep that in mind if you are hoping for HF.

However, nobody sees those antennas way up on the top of your building
except the traffic spotters in helicopters. If you want to sneak an
HF LPDA up there, then you will need a tad more height for masting,
and more than a tad more support/guying.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

tv ant look alike? LP
 

ml wrote:
my first thought as far as a look alike was to a LP , just
wondering of all of the antennas out there anyone know which specific
brand might come closest to looking like a regular tv antenna?

Any ham VHF/UHF Yagi "looks like" a TV antenna.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

tv ant look alike? LP
 

In article ,
Richard Clark wrote:

On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:50:46 GMT, ml wrote:

hi

pretty soon when current tv broadcast stops i was thinkng my
building master ant will either be left there or just removed

i thought about petitioning the coop board to let me have the space
under the guise of replacing the antenna with another that looked for
the most part just like/simular to the old tv ant but actually
subsituting a ham antenna

my first thought as far as a look alike was to a LP , just
wondering of all of the antennas out there anyone know which specific
brand might come closest to looking like a regular tv antenna?

Hi Myles,

Any Log periodic that looks like a TV antenna is going to cover
VHF/UHF - keep that in mind if you are hoping for HF.

However, nobody sees those antennas way up on the top of your building
except the traffic spotters in helicopters. If you want to sneak an
HF LPDA up there, then you will need a tad more height for masting,
and more than a tad more support/guying.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

hi thanks guyes for responding

i should have specified HF

don't need anymore height the tv antenna is over 10ft from roof
surface and they wouldn't let me add to that

i could get away w/a somewhat bigger antenna but not 'super large'
i was thinking if it looked like a tv at, and was even 2x the size
perhaps no one would really notice

so i've never really seen any lp face to face and wasn't sure
about of all the ones made which might be closest at fitting the bill
was hopn someone might be familiar w/a specific brand/make /model

etc??


thanks much

tv ant look alike? LP
 

On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 16:54:41 GMT, ml wrote:

i could get away w/a somewhat bigger antenna but not 'super large'
i was thinking if it looked like a tv at, and was even 2x the size
perhaps no one would really notice

Hi Myles,

Think of that TV antenna being roughly for 2M. Now think of your
antenna being for 20M. Your HF antenna is going to be 10 times
larger, and it is going to need to be further from the roof for the
same reason (nearby clutter is going to be in its field of view - so
to speak).

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

tv ant look alike? LP
 

Dear Myles (no call sign);

This company makes a small, HF LPDA antenna with a 12 foot boom (T6).
http://www.tennadyne.com/

From a distance, it might not look too large. 73, Mac N8TT

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Richard Clark wrote:

On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:50:46 GMT, ml wrote:

hi

pretty soon when current tv broadcast stops i was thinkng my
building master ant will either be left there or just removed

i thought about petitioning the coop board to let me have the space
under the guise of replacing the antenna with another that looked for
the most part just like/simular to the old tv ant but actually
subsituting a ham antenna

my first thought as far as a look alike was to a LP , just
wondering of all of the antennas out there anyone know which specific
brand might come closest to looking like a regular tv antenna?

Hi Myles,

Any Log periodic that looks like a TV antenna is going to cover
VHF/UHF - keep that in mind if you are hoping for HF.

However, nobody sees those antennas way up on the top of your building
except the traffic spotters in helicopters. If you want to sneak an
HF LPDA up there, then you will need a tad more height for masting,
and more than a tad more support/guying.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

hi thanks guyes for responding

i should have specified HF

don't need anymore height the tv antenna is over 10ft from roof
surface and they wouldn't let me add to that

i could get away w/a somewhat bigger antenna but not 'super large'
i was thinking if it looked like a tv at, and was even 2x the size
perhaps no one would really notice

so i've never really seen any lp face to face and wasn't sure
about of all the ones made which might be closest at fitting the bill
was hopn someone might be familiar w/a specific brand/make /model

etc??


thanks much

tv ant look alike? LP
 

ml wrote:
hi

pretty soon when current tv broadcast stops i was thinkng my
building master ant will either be left there or just removed

i thought about petitioning the coop board to let me have the space
under the guise of replacing the antenna with another that looked for
the most part just like/simular to the old tv ant but actually
subsituting a ham antenna

my first thought as far as a look alike was to a LP , just
wondering of all of the antennas out there anyone know which specific
brand might come closest to looking like a regular tv antenna?




thanks

ML;

Your current building master antenna will still function exactly as it
is currently doing the only change is the mode of the signal from analog
to digital.

Dave N

tv ant look alike? LP
 

On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 16:54:41 GMT, ml wrote:

In article ,
Richard Clark wrote:

On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:50:46 GMT, ml wrote:

hi

pretty soon when current tv broadcast stops i was thinkng my
building master ant will either be left there or just removed

i thought about petitioning the coop board to let me have the space
under the guise of replacing the antenna with another that looked for
the most part just like/simular to the old tv ant but actually
subsituting a ham antenna

my first thought as far as a look alike was to a LP , just
wondering of all of the antennas out there anyone know which specific
brand might come closest to looking like a regular tv antenna?

Hi Myles,

Any Log periodic that looks like a TV antenna is going to cover
VHF/UHF - keep that in mind if you are hoping for HF.

However, nobody sees those antennas way up on the top of your building
except the traffic spotters in helicopters. If you want to sneak an
HF LPDA up there, then you will need a tad more height for masting,
and more than a tad more support/guying.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

hi thanks guyes for responding

i should have specified HF

don't need anymore height the tv antenna is over 10ft from roof
surface and they wouldn't let me add to that

i could get away w/a somewhat bigger antenna but not 'super large'
i was thinking if it looked like a tv at, and was even 2x the size
perhaps no one would really notice

so i've never really seen any lp face to face and wasn't sure
about of all the ones made which might be closest at fitting the bill
was hopn someone might be familiar w/a specific brand/make /model

etc??


thanks much


It might not cover but three bands, but have you considered a short
yagi? I had a TA-33 Jr years ago that worked very well for me and
wasn't terribly large.

Buck
N4PGW

--
73 for now
Buck, N4PGW

www.lumpuckeroo.com

"Small - broadband - efficient: pick any two."

tv ant look alike? LP
 

In article ,
Buck wrote:

On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 16:54:41 GMT, ml wrote:

In article ,
Richard Clark wrote:

On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:50:46 GMT, ml wrote:

hi

pretty soon when current tv broadcast stops i was thinkng my
building master ant will either be left there or just removed

i thought about petitioning the coop board to let me have the space
under the guise of replacing the antenna with another that looked for
the most part just like/simular to the old tv ant but actually
subsituting a ham antenna

my first thought as far as a look alike was to a LP , just
wondering of all of the antennas out there anyone know which specific
brand might come closest to looking like a regular tv antenna?

Hi Myles,

Any Log periodic that looks like a TV antenna is going to cover
VHF/UHF - keep that in mind if you are hoping for HF.

However, nobody sees those antennas way up on the top of your building
except the traffic spotters in helicopters. If you want to sneak an
HF LPDA up there, then you will need a tad more height for masting,
and more than a tad more support/guying.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

hi thanks guyes for responding

i should have specified HF

don't need anymore height the tv antenna is over 10ft from roof
surface and they wouldn't let me add to that

i could get away w/a somewhat bigger antenna but not 'super large'
i was thinking if it looked like a tv at, and was even 2x the size
perhaps no one would really notice

so i've never really seen any lp face to face and wasn't sure
about of all the ones made which might be closest at fitting the bill
was hopn someone might be familiar w/a specific brand/make /model

etc??


thanks much


It might not cover but three bands, but have you considered a short
yagi? I had a TA-33 Jr years ago that worked very well for me and
wasn't terribly large.

Buck
N4PGW

thanks buck and j appreciate the tips

tv ant look alike? LP
 

In article ,
"David G. Nagel" wrote:

ml wrote:
hi

pretty soon when current tv broadcast stops i was thinkng my
building master ant will either be left there or just removed

i thought about petitioning the coop board to let me have the space
under the guise of replacing the antenna with another that looked for
the most part just like/simular to the old tv ant but actually
subsituting a ham antenna

my first thought as far as a look alike was to a LP , just
wondering of all of the antennas out there anyone know which specific
brand might come closest to looking like a regular tv antenna?




thanks

ML;

Your current building master antenna will still function exactly as it
is currently doing the only change is the mode of the signal from analog
to digital.

Dave N

isn't the digital channles a different freq here in nyc we mostly
use channels 2-13 i understood the new digital channels to be of
a diff freq and band i dunno

tv ant look alike? LP
 

ml wrote:
isn't the digital channles a different freq here in nyc we mostly
use channels 2-13 i understood the new digital channels to be of
a diff freq and band i dunno

Any TV channel can be used for analog or digital.
As of early 2009, all channels will be digital.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

tv ant look alike? LP
 

In article , ml wrote:

isn't the digital channles a different freq here in nyc we mostly
use channels 2-13 i understood the new digital channels to be of
a diff freq and band i dunno

All of the TV frequencies fall into one of three ranges: VHF low-band
(traditionally channels 2 - 6), VHF high band (channels 7 - 13), and
UHF (channels 14 on up).

During the big digital-TV transition, the upper end of the UHF
frequency range (700-800 MHz) is going away entirely. It's being
auctioned off or allocated to commercial and public-safety interests.

During the transition period, the full-power TV stations have each
been allocated a second channel in the remaining portion of the UHF
frequency band, which they've been using for their ATSC (digital-TV)
signals... these are on UHF channels which had not previously been
used in the station's service area. The stations have continued to
transmit NTSC analog on their original frequencies.

It's important to understand that with digital TV, the "station
number" displayed on the TV, and to which you tune, doesn't
necessarily correspond to the actual RF frequency.

During the final switchover, each station will either:

- Drop its old NTSC frequency entirely, and move its full-power
transmission to its current (transition) ATSC frequency, or

- Stop using its ATSC transition frequency, and switch its current
NTSC transmitter over to ATSC digital, or

- Drop its old NTSC frequency, and start transmitting ATSC digital on
a newly-allocated frequency.

My impression is that most of the stations now on channels 14 on up
(UHF) will be doing the second of these. Most of the stations now on
VHF will do the first of these - they'll give up their VHF frequency
and move to UHF.

There *are* a few stations which will keep using their VHF frequencies
(channels 2 - 13) and just switch them over to full-power digital
operation. Most of these are in the VHF highband (7-13), but there
are a small handful in the lowband (2-6) which will stay there.

In many areas of the country, a good UHF-only antenna is all you will
need for digital TV, after The Big Day. This is fortunate for the
many people who have bought "digital TV" antennas - most of these are
UHF-only.

In urban areas of the country, quite a few people will need antennas
which handle both UHF, and the highband part of the VHF spectrum.

In a very few urban areas, people will need antennas with
full-frequency TV-band coverage (VHF low, VHF high, and UHF) in order
to get all of the channels.

--
Dave Platt AE6EO
Friends of Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior
I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will
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tv ant look alike? LP
 

In article ,
(Dave Platt) wrote:

In article , ml wrote:

isn't the digital channles a different freq here in nyc we mostly
use channels 2-13 i understood the new digital channels to be of
a diff freq and band i dunno

All of the TV frequencies fall into one of three ranges: VHF low-band
(traditionally channels 2 - 6), VHF high band (channels 7 - 13), and
UHF (channels 14 on up).

During the big digital-TV transition, the upper end of the UHF
frequency range (700-800 MHz) is going away entirely. It's being
auctioned off or allocated to commercial and public-safety interests.

During the transition period, the full-power TV stations have each
been allocated a second channel in the remaining portion of the UHF
frequency band, which they've been using for their ATSC (digital-TV)
signals... these are on UHF channels which had not previously been
used in the station's service area. The stations have continued to
transmit NTSC analog on their original frequencies.

It's important to understand that with digital TV, the "station
number" displayed on the TV, and to which you tune, doesn't
necessarily correspond to the actual RF frequency.

During the final switchover, each station will either:

- Drop its old NTSC frequency entirely, and move its full-power
transmission to its current (transition) ATSC frequency, or

- Stop using its ATSC transition frequency, and switch its current
NTSC transmitter over to ATSC digital, or

- Drop its old NTSC frequency, and start transmitting ATSC digital on
a newly-allocated frequency.

My impression is that most of the stations now on channels 14 on up
(UHF) will be doing the second of these. Most of the stations now on
VHF will do the first of these - they'll give up their VHF frequency
and move to UHF.

There *are* a few stations which will keep using their VHF frequencies
(channels 2 - 13) and just switch them over to full-power digital
operation. Most of these are in the VHF highband (7-13), but there
are a small handful in the lowband (2-6) which will stay there.

In many areas of the country, a good UHF-only antenna is all you will
need for digital TV, after The Big Day. This is fortunate for the
many people who have bought "digital TV" antennas - most of these are
UHF-only.

In urban areas of the country, quite a few people will need antennas
which handle both UHF, and the highband part of the VHF spectrum.

In a very few urban areas, people will need antennas with
full-frequency TV-band coverage (VHF low, VHF high, and UHF) in order
to get all of the channels.

thanks very much, i was a little confused guess the only thing that
remain to be seen, is if once all digitial if i'll create more/less
or same 'TVI" i presume less I don't really give any now on most
occasions except close to 100w or 50w 2m/440 as my antennas are
close to the tv ant

tv ant look alike? LP
 

On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:50:46 +0000, ml regurgitated the following



my first thought as far as a look alike was to a LP , just
wondering of all of the antennas out there anyone know which specific
brand might come closest to looking like a regular tv antenna?


Any log periodic would probably fool most folks. You might even get
away with putting up a 80m-10m LP, and just say it's for big screen tvs


Alex/AB2RC

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Dave Platt wrote:
It's important to understand that with digital TV, the "station
number" displayed on the TV, and to which you tune, doesn't
necessarily correspond to the actual RF frequency.

I just got my first HDTV. My rabbit ears work just
fine on the HDTV signals. Here in Tyler, TX, I get
analog channels 7, 19, 51, & 56. I now get additional
digital channels 7.1, 7.2, 7.3, 19.1, 19.2, 22.3,
51.1, 51.2, 56.1, & 56.2. Incidentally, 7.1 is VHF
Channel 10.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com