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Keith Dysart wrote:
So yes, the phrase "conservation of power" is appropriately descriptive and follows from conservation of energy. You have a contradiction built into your concepts. You have argued that the instantaneous power dissipated in the source resistor is not equal to the instantaneous forward power component plus the instantaneous reflected power because power must be conserved at each instant of time. That is simply not true. I'm telling that energy must be conserved at each instant of time but power does not have to be conserved at each instant of time. Energy can obviously be stored in a battery or network reactance for dissipation later in time. Do you require that the power used to charge a battery be instantaneously dissipated in the battery? Of course not! That's true for a dummy load but NOT for a battery. There is no reason to require dissipation of power at each instant of time to balance. Since energy can be stored, there is no such thing as conservation of instantaneous power, only of instantaneous energy. Where is "cos(theta)" in this? And what "theta" is to be used? How many times do I have to explain this? For instantaneous values of voltage, if the sign of the two interfering voltages are the same, theta is zero degrees and the cosine of theta is +1.0. If the sign of the two interfering voltages are opposite, theta is 180 degrees and the cosine of theta is -1.0. Is it the same theta that was used to conclude that this was a "no interference" example? See "A Simple Voltage Source - No Interference" at http://www.w5dxp.com/intfr.htm That theta is the phase angle of the phasor. If you would switch over to phasor notation for your values of instantaneous voltages, it might make things clearer for you. You have been dealing only with real part of the phasors which limits theta to either zero or 180 degrees. So the plus/minus in the equation aboves means that for part of the cycle we should add and part of the cycle we should subtract. This equation is ambiguous and is therefore incomplete since it does not tell us when we should add and when we should subtract. I have told you about five times now. If the sign of the two interfering voltages are the same, the interference term has a positive sign (constructive). If the sign of the two interfering voltages are opposite, the interference term has a negative sign (destructive). Instead of me having to keep posting this over and over how about you keep reading it over and over until you understand it? Could you provide a mathematically precise description of when we should do each? See above. If we deal with phasors, theta is the phase angle between the two interfering voltages. If we deal only with real values, theta is limited to either zero (cosine = +1.0) or 180 degrees (cosine = -1.0). Where is this destructive interference energy stored while waiting to be dissipated constructively later? In our 45 degree shorted stub example, it is stored in the equivalent inductive reactance of the stub. For each instant in which destructive interference energy is stored, there is an instant in time 90 degrees later when that same energy is dissipated as constructive interference power in the source resistor. That's why 100% of the average reflected power is dissipated in the source resistor for these special cases of zero average interference. -- 73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com |
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