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On Jul 8, 5:27*am, Art Unwin wrote:
On Jul 7, 3:22 pm, Jim Kelley wrote:

Art Unwin wrote:
On Jul 3, 5:16 pm, Art Unwin wrote:
You know John, since America gives the 'right to bear arms' you would
think that the population would understand
that a projectile must have rotation to follow a straight line
trajectory.

Hi Art,

The American Constitution does not "give" rights. *It simply attempts
to prevent government from eliminating them.

Under the influence of gravity, sub-orbital ballistic projectiles
generally follow a parabolic trajectory. *Isssac Newton's laws of
motion apply without caveat.

ac6xg

It followsa straight line trajectory in two dimensions out of three

And it's completely motionless in one dimension out of the three. So
what?

The weak force othewise known as the magnetic field of the eddy
current
overcpmes or neutralises gravity while applying spin such gravitation
has little or no
effect on the trajectory as it is projected with spin.

The weak force is NOT otherwise known as a magnetic field. It relates
to radioactive decay and is only relevant at distances less than 10
e-8 nanometers and has nothing to do with electromagnetism.

ac6xg

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On Jul 9, 3:30 pm, wrote:
On Jul 8, 5:27 am, Art Unwin wrote:



On Jul 7, 3:22 pm, Jim Kelley wrote:

Art Unwin wrote:
On Jul 3, 5:16 pm, Art Unwin wrote:
You know John, since America gives the 'right to bear arms' you would
think that the population would understand
that a projectile must have rotation to follow a straight line
trajectory.

Hi Art,

The American Constitution does not "give" rights. It simply attempts
to prevent government from eliminating them.

Under the influence of gravity, sub-orbital ballistic projectiles
generally follow a parabolic trajectory. Isssac Newton's laws of
motion apply without caveat.

ac6xg

It followsa straight line trajectory in two dimensions out of three

And it's completely motionless in one dimension out of the three. So
what?

The weak force othewise known as the magnetic field of the eddy
current
overcpmes or neutralises gravity while applying spin such gravitation
has little or no
effect on the trajectory as it is projected with spin.

The weak force is NOT otherwise known as a magnetic field. It relates
to radioactive decay and is only relevant at distances less than 10
e-8 nanometers and has nothing to do with electromagnetism.

ac6xg

Wrong again!
You are following the errors of the past again. Yes, the particle that
is
projected away from the radiator is radio active in terms of a
fraction of its life.
And yes the distance that the madnetic field resulting from the eddy
current is limited
as seen with the common elevation style experiments. The distanbce
required for the
velocity of the partical is NOT a determination of distance travelled
according to
Newtons laws of motion. I hope you are not teaching this stuff so
people can get a degree.!

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Art Unwin wrote:
It followsa straight line trajectory in two dimensions out of three

And it's completely motionless in one dimension out of the three. So
what?

The weak force othewise known as the magnetic field of the eddy
current
overcpmes or neutralises gravity while applying spin such gravitation
has little or no
effect on the trajectory as it is projected with spin.

The weak force is NOT otherwise known as a magnetic field. It relates
to radioactive decay and is only relevant at distances less than 10
e-8 nanometers and has nothing to do with electromagnetism.

ac6xg

Wrong again!
You are following the errors of the past again.

Evidently nobody's gotten around to correcting the physics texts to
better reflect your point of view yet.

Yes, the particle that
is
projected away from the radiator is radio active in terms of a
fraction of its life.

What particle?

And yes the distance that the madnetic field resulting from the eddy
current is limited
as seen with the common elevation style experiments. The distanbce
required for the
velocity of the partical is NOT a determination of distance travelled
according to
Newtons laws of motion. I hope you are not teaching this stuff so
people can get a degree.!

Of course not. No one is teaching this stuff, Art. If someone
mentioned B.S. they weren't referring to a degree.

ac6xg

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On Jul 9, 5:41 pm, Jim Kelley wrote:
Art Unwin wrote:
It followsa straight line trajectory in two dimensions out of three

And it's completely motionless in one dimension out of the three. So
what?

The weak force othewise known as the magnetic field of the eddy
current
overcpmes or neutralises gravity while applying spin such gravitation
has little or no
effect on the trajectory as it is projected with spin.

The weak force is NOT otherwise known as a magnetic field. It relates
to radioactive decay and is only relevant at distances less than 10
e-8 nanometers and has nothing to do with electromagnetism.

ac6xg

Wrong again!
You are following the errors of the past again.

Evidently nobody's gotten around to correcting the physics texts to
better reflect your point of view yet.

Yes, the particle that
is
projected away from the radiator is radio active in terms of a
fraction of its life.

What particle?

And yes the distance that the madnetic field resulting from the eddy
current is limited
as seen with the common elevation style experiments. The distanbce
required for the
velocity of the partical is NOT a determination of distance travelled
according to
Newtons laws of motion. I hope you are not teaching this stuff so
people can get a degree.!

Of course not. No one is teaching this stuff, Art. If someone
mentioned B.S. they weren't referring to a degree.

ac6xg

Believe me they will. To follow theories as being correct without
your own personal study is to become a lemming
I suspect you are still holding on to the Quark and "W" theory
of Feynman but as yet I don't believe one iota of evidence has been
found
that declares their presence or the actions that he predicted.
Theories really
depend on your academic stature and the power of perswation. Remember
people such as Green had little education but achieved fame without
being a lemming.
Same goes for others in the radio field whose work was purloined by
others.
When the corrected books are published will you leave college in anger
or do what all
instructures do and tell the students to buy new books every year at
high cost
and pretend you knew all along? Not once have you successfully evoked
the laws of the masters
to bring my logic to a halt. Everything you have stated has been
incorrect or faulty us of known laws

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Art Unwin wrote:
Everything you have stated has been
incorrect or faulty us of known laws

So basically it's your contention is that everything I say is wrong.
Ok, you're right, Art. :-)

ac6xg

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Art Unwin wrote:

...

Art:

Geesh ...

I'd hoped I'd not have to mention this ...

You know that earlier joke I made? The one about the dummy carrying the
round HEAVY rock downhill? (They guy my old Elmer made fun of?)

Well, dude, that WAS Jim Kelly ... need I say more? Give it up man--if
you argue with complete idiots, "IT" destroys what tattered argument you
have ... but them, you could have guessed that ...

Regards,
JS

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John Smith wrote:

...
have ... but them, you could have guessed that ...

Regards,
JS

them = then ... but then, you already knew that too! :-)

Regards,
JS

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John Smith wrote:
Art Unwin wrote:

...

Art:

Geesh ...

I'd hoped I'd not have to mention this ...

You know that earlier joke I made? The one about the dummy carrying the
round HEAVY rock downhill? (They guy my old Elmer made fun of?)

Well, dude, that WAS Jim Kelly ... need I say more? Give it up man--if
you argue with complete idiots, "IT" destroys what tattered argument you
have ... but them, you could have guessed that ...

Regards,
JS


Come to think of it, Jim Kelley = "Dummy Load."

But then, you knew that, already, too ... a jerk like him is a rare
find--please, by all means, toy him along like a cat with a mouse! grin

Regards,
JS

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On Jul 9, 7:53 pm, Jim Kelley wrote:
Art Unwin wrote:
Everything you have stated has been
incorrect or faulty us of known laws

So basically it's your contention is that everything I say is wrong.
Ok, you're right, Art. :-)

ac6xg

So far I have been right!. You are excercising free speech without
scientific underpinnings.
You like others did not come forward and prove scientifically that
Gauss law CANNOT be extended.
You dont accept the idea of a partical with nuclear life. In fact you
don't even accept eddy currents.
If you are teaching kindegarten then such free speech is in order as
they will not challenge you.
But you must expect challenges from grown ups unless you supply
underlying data for claims made
or refuted. I will now give you a chance to show what expertise you
have.
Professionals in antenna design work mainly in the higher frequencies
where they show circular
eddy currents on the internal wave guide walls. So why on the lower
frequences do amateurs deny
the existance of surface carried eddy currents? This same scientific
fact is used in detecting material flaws without destruction
as fissures in metal alters the eddy current. So where in the hell are
you comming from and where does your main expertise dwell?

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On Jul 9, 9:24 pm, John Smith wrote:
John Smith wrote:

...

have ... but them, you could have guessed that ...

Regards,
JS

them = then ... but then, you already knew that too! :-)

Regards,
JS

John, thank you for that. Over the years he has hinted that he was a
assistant professor at a local college
but as of late I have found it hard to fathom things out as he is so
lacking in the field of physics and electrical
engineering but I gave him the benefit of doubt. So it is quite
possible that like Richard he has his moments.
Like going to the bedroom for a clean shirt. forgetting why he came to
the bedroom so puts on his pyjamas and gets into bed
lesving his wife already to go out while he goes to sleep. I think
they call that senior moments. Well the info given clears a lot of
things up
for me and I shall not continue to guess where his expertize is any
more.
Regards
Art

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Art Unwin wrote:

...
John, thank you for that. Over the years he has hinted that he was a
assistant professor at a local college
but as of late I have found it hard to fathom things out as he is so
lacking in the field of physics and electrical
engineering but I gave him the benefit of doubt. So it is quite
possible that like Richard he has his moments.
Like going to the bedroom for a clean shirt. forgetting why he came to
the bedroom so puts on his pyjamas and gets into bed
lesving his wife already to go out while he goes to sleep. I think
they call that senior moments. Well the info given clears a lot of
things up
for me and I shall not continue to guess where his expertize is any
more.
Regards
Art

If that "man" (and, I use that term VERY loosely here) has anything to
do with education, whatsoever, one is better off uneducated and ignorant!

Nuff' said ...

Regards,
JS

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On Jul 9, 7:27*pm, Art Unwin wrote:
So where in the hell are
you comming from *and where does your main expertise dwell?

Hi Art -

Where am I coming from...well, a cab driver in London sent me a note a
year or two ago after I came to your defense in this newsgroup. He
confided to me about something that I had already suspected regarding
your condition. Since then, I have advised some of your antagonists
in the group by email that it might be the better part of valor to
take it easy on you and just let you have your say. Mostly, I just
wished for you pursue your interest and to avoid embarassing yourself.

Not that it matters, but my main expertise as it pertains to this
discussion is in the design and construction of electronic equipment
and scientific apparatus used for the measurement of various physical
phenomena. e.g. US Pats 5,018,382 and 7,119,588. In the '70's and
80's I was in the business manufacturing guitar amplifiers. Among
other things, I am an amateur radio operator and a musician.

For the record, although I have disagreed with you, I have never been
personally disrespectful to you. I believe gentleman should be able
to disagree without being disagreeable (or insulting).

ac6xg

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Jim Kelley wrote:

...
Hi Art -

Where am I coming from...well, a cab driver in London sent me a note a
year or two ago after I came to your defense in this newsgroup. He
confided to me about something that I had already suspected regarding
your condition. Since then, I have advised some of your antagonists
in the group by email that it might be the better part of valor to
take it easy on you and just let you have your say. Mostly, I just
wished for you pursue your interest and to avoid embarassing yourself.

Not that it matters, but my main expertise as it pertains to this
discussion is in the design and construction of electronic equipment
and scientific apparatus used for the measurement of various physical
phenomena. e.g. US Pats 5,018,382 and 7,119,588. In the '70's and
80's I was in the business manufacturing guitar amplifiers. Among
other things, I am an amateur radio operator and a musician.

For the record, although I have disagreed with you, I have never been
personally disrespectful to you. I believe gentleman should be able
to disagree without being disagreeable (or insulting).

ac6xg

You are disgusting.

Your manner(s) and depths you would stoop to are below a minimum level
to engage in human dialog/relations.

I find it a shame you would even be granted a license to engage in
communications with decent human beings--it certainly is to the
detriment of amateurs worldwide ... you sir are a NUT of the most
despicable kind--and, clear proof the bar should be raised!

However, I can only wish that you remain within the ignorant confines of
the prison of your mind; to awake to the reality of what you really are
could prove fatal and the undoing of your insane ego ...

PLONK!

JS

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On Jul 10, 11:45 am, John Smith wrote:
Jim Kelley wrote:
...
Hi Art -

Where am I coming from...well, a cab driver in London sent me a note a
year or two ago after I came to your defense in this newsgroup. He
confided to me about something that I had already suspected regarding
your condition. Since then, I have advised some of your antagonists
in the group by email that it might be the better part of valor to
take it easy on you and just let you have your say. Mostly, I just
wished for you pursue your interest and to avoid embarassing yourself.

Not that it matters, but my main expertise as it pertains to this
discussion is in the design and construction of electronic equipment
and scientific apparatus used for the measurement of various physical
phenomena. e.g. US Pats 5,018,382 and 7,119,588. In the '70's and
80's I was in the business manufacturing guitar amplifiers. Among
other things, I am an amateur radio operator and a musician.

For the record, although I have disagreed with you, I have never been
personally disrespectful to you. I believe gentleman should be able
to disagree without being disagreeable (or insulting).

ac6xg

You are disgusting.

Your manner(s) and depths you would stoop to are below a minimum level
to engage in human dialog/relations.

I find it a shame you would even be granted a license to engage in
communications with decent human beings--it certainly is to the
detriment of amateurs worldwide ... you sir are a NUT of the most
despicable kind--and, clear proof the bar should be raised!

However, I can only wish that you remain within the ignorant confines of
the prison of your mind; to awake to the reality of what you really are
could prove fatal and the undoing of your insane ego ...

PLONK!

JS

No John. you are misreading the situation.
His response was very tactful and for which I thank him
Art

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Art Unwin wrote:

...
No John. you are misreading the situation.
His response was very tactful and for which I thank him
Art

Hmmm ... if that is the case, I hope my apology(s) will be accepted ...
it shall not be the first time I have misunderstood words/intents ...
regretfully.

Regards,
JS

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On Jul 10, 11:32 am, Jim Kelley wrote:
On Jul 9, 7:27 pm, Art Unwin wrote:

So where in the hell are
you comming from and where does your main expertise dwell?

Hi Art -

Where am I coming from...well, a cab driver in London sent me a note a
year or two ago after I came to your defense in this newsgroup. He
confided to me about something that I had already suspected regarding
your condition. Since then, I have advised some of your antagonists
in the group by email that it might be the better part of valor to
take it easy on you and just let you have your say. Mostly, I just
wished for you pursue your interest and to avoid embarassing yourself.

Not that it matters, but my main expertise as it pertains to this
discussion is in the design and construction of electronic equipment
and scientific apparatus used for the measurement of various physical
phenomena. e.g. US Pats 5,018,382 and 7,119,588. In the '70's and
80's I was in the business manufacturing guitar amplifiers. Among
other things, I am an amateur radio operator and a musician.

For the record, although I have disagreed with you, I have never been
personally disrespectful to you. I believe gentleman should be able
to disagree without being disagreeable (or insulting).

ac6xg

Please accept my apologies because I have disrespected you
Regarding my findings they have been partially checked over by
qualified people
and it has taken a long while to get to this point.
If you will accept it I would like to send you an antenna as a gift
but I do not want personal favors of any kind.
Frankly it is the responders that need thought as they do not present
any scientific underpinnings for their statements
that I can respond to in kind Unfortunately I do sometime get caught
up in the hate and respond in kind which I should not do
Believe me Jim all those that poo hoo what I am sharing will rethink
their motives when it is recognised by academia which is really the
only road for acceptance available to any lay person with respect to
ham radio. As the numbers of silent keys mount the majority in ham
radio will not be comprised of people with open minds and curiousity
and changes will reflect the change in demeanor as has already
happened on this newsgroup. I don't think the days will ever come back
where antenna science can be discussed civilly and logically anymore
per the intentions of the formation of this newsgroup founders since
lack of civility is truly a virus that can over take us all
Regards
Art

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Art Unwin wrote:
On Jul 10, 11:32 am, Jim Kelley wrote:

On Jul 9, 7:27 pm, Art Unwin wrote:


So where in the hell are
you comming from and where does your main expertise dwell?

Hi Art -

Where am I coming from...well, a cab driver in London sent me a note a
year or two ago after I came to your defense in this newsgroup. He
confided to me about something that I had already suspected regarding
your condition. Since then, I have advised some of your antagonists
in the group by email that it might be the better part of valor to
take it easy on you and just let you have your say. Mostly, I just
wished for you pursue your interest and to avoid embarassing yourself.

Not that it matters, but my main expertise as it pertains to this
discussion is in the design and construction of electronic equipment
and scientific apparatus used for the measurement of various physical
phenomena. e.g. US Pats 5,018,382 and 7,119,588. In the '70's and
80's I was in the business manufacturing guitar amplifiers. Among
other things, I am an amateur radio operator and a musician.

For the record, although I have disagreed with you, I have never been
personally disrespectful to you. I believe gentleman should be able
to disagree without being disagreeable (or insulting).

ac6xg


Please accept my apologies because I have disrespected you
Regarding my findings they have been partially checked over by
qualified people
and it has taken a long while to get to this point.
If you will accept it I would like to send you an antenna as a gift
but I do not want personal favors of any kind.
Frankly it is the responders that need thought as they do not present
any scientific underpinnings for their statements
that I can respond to in kind Unfortunately I do sometime get caught
up in the hate and respond in kind which I should not do
Believe me Jim all those that poo hoo what I am sharing will rethink
their motives when it is recognised by academia which is really the
only road for acceptance available to any lay person with respect to
ham radio. As the numbers of silent keys mount the majority in ham
radio will not be comprised of people with open minds and curiousity
and changes will reflect the change in demeanor as has already
happened on this newsgroup. I don't think the days will ever come back
where antenna science can be discussed civilly and logically anymore
per the intentions of the formation of this newsgroup founders since
lack of civility is truly a virus that can over take us all
Regards
Art


There's a profound old saying that I'm occasionally reminded of:

There, but by the grace of god, go I.

It has a sobering effect. And I hope there will be a kinder and more
patient soul than I to help me stay on track someday when I need it.

I would be honored to have one of your antennas, Art. I promise I'll
try to figure it out.

ac6xg

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On Jul 11, 12:32 am, Jim Kelley wrote:
On Jul 9, 7:27 pm, Art Unwin wrote:

So where in the hell are
you comming from and where does your main expertise dwell?

Hi Art -

Where am I coming from...well, a cab driver in London sent me a note a
year or two ago after I came to your defense in this newsgroup. He
confided to me about something that I had already suspected regarding
your condition.

Hi Jim

Sir
You are a gentleman toff and a scholar.
This was a compliment paid by east enders of london in years past to
a person who stooped to give a helping hand to some one of a lower
class.
Thank you.

That is as I remember the above is verbatim the email that was sent
to you, I think it is despicable of you to use something sent in
confidence and twist what was written and use to attack.
An enquiry was made as to the meaning of a post you had made and the
above was the reply in totality.

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On Jul 10, 4:50 pm, derek wrote:
On Jul 11, 12:32 am, Jim Kelley wrote:

On Jul 9, 7:27 pm, Art Unwin wrote:

So where in the hell are
you comming from and where does your main expertise dwell?

Hi Art -

Where am I coming from...well, a cab driver in London sent me a note a
year or two ago after I came to your defense in this newsgroup. He
confided to me about something that I had already suspected regarding
your condition.

Hi Jim

Sir
You are a gentleman toff and a scholar.
This was a compliment paid by east enders of london in years past to
a person who stooped to give a helping hand to some one of a lower
class.
Thank you.

That is as I remember the above is verbatim the email that was sent
to you, I think it is despicable of you to use something sent in
confidence and twist what was written and use to attack.
An enquiry was made as to the meaning of a post you had made and the
above was the reply in totality.

Bluey and John Put a stop to this and put the whole thing behind you
Tomorrow is a new day where I am going to make a new antenna the
receipient
of which will be free to discuss at his leasure when listerners can
determine for
them selves whether I should be put away for suggesting that I had a
real antenna.
Going out of town with my wife for a couple of days so don't
misinterprete my absence.
I am in good shape hiccup,hiccup burp so there are no problems of any
sort at this QTH
Have a great weak end or weak force
Art

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On Jul 10, 1:55*pm, Art Unwin wrote:

Believe me Jim all those that poo hoo what I am sharing will rethink
their motives when *it is recognised by academia which is really the
only road for acceptance available to any lay person with respect to
ham radio.

Negative contact on that Artmobile... Breaker 19
for a radio check!
Academia means little to me in the case of "new science".
Real world tests with real word results of the tests are the
only thing I care to see when concerning "new science" antenna
schemes.
You can't brown the food if you refuse to stick it in the oven.

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Believe me Jim all those that poo hoo what I am sharing will rethink
their motives when *it is recognised by academia which is really the
only road for acceptance available to any lay person with respect to
ham radio.

Art,
I can say that you've finally gotten something right. If academia
does recognize and second your theory, I know that I would be more apt
to consider it. Why? Because 'academia' is going to include those
who know what the @#$$ you're trying to say. They are not likely to
'condone' something that's not 'right'. And providing the usual
proofs to academia would seem like the smart thing to do (like it or
not). Is that the most absolutely bestest way of doing things? Toss-
up on that, but certainly better than what you are doing now.
- 'Doc