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No Spam wrote:
On Sat, 06 Sep 2008 10:07:22 -0700, PN2222A wrote:

"Jon Mcleod" wrote in message

All these are nice ideas and a marvel to engineering but I must say
this....

*******
Whether it's radiated or E-fielded to kill the bacteria, there will still
be **** ON MY FOOD!
*********


Well put! I notice that the rules have been changed so that veggies
will be irradiated to kill the e.coli and salmonella bacteria on them.

But as you say, the food will still be spiced with whatever excrement is
present.

This will of course have the end effect of making the food filthier, as
teh new Attitude will be "The radiation will get the germs, so I don't
have to clean it.

I guess we'll have to change the name to "Jalepeno Poopers".

- 73 de Mike N3LI -

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Michael Coslo wrote:

Well put! I notice that the rules have been changed so that veggies
will be irradiated to kill the e.coli and salmonella bacteria on them.

Actually, e-field could be a much better way to kill bacteria on the
surface of vegetables, if this whole kooky idea works. I mean, holy
crap, if they're using it to cure brain tumors, it can probably
sterilize the food without genetically damaging it.

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On Mon, 08 Sep 2008 11:55:47 -0400, Jon Mcleod
wrote:

Michael Coslo wrote:

Well put! I notice that the rules have been changed so that veggies
will be irradiated to kill the e.coli and salmonella bacteria on them.

Actually, e-field could be a much better way to kill bacteria on the
surface of vegetables, if this whole kooky idea works. I mean, holy
crap, if they're using it to cure brain tumors, it can probably
sterilize the food without genetically damaging it.

Hi All,

All of this remains highly suppositional and suspicious both. One
need only graze beneath a common 110KV transmission line to experience
field levels of 1KV/ft (33V/cm) to find no lower bacterial risk (and
frequent claims to the contrary of these fields having healative
powers).

As for this last parenthetical, it demonstrates you can pick any topic
and populate it with vapid ideas that embrace conflicting claims for
the same weak evidence.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

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All of this remains highly suppositional and suspicious both. One
need only graze beneath a common 110KV transmission line to experience
field levels of 1KV/ft (33V/cm) to find no lower bacterial risk (and
frequent claims to the contrary of these fields having healative
powers).

While the field under the tower, in the absence of any conductors, is as
you say (actually, the earth has a field on the order of 1kV/m just from
thunderstorm return currents). If there's a conductor in that field,
though, that does not imply that the field within the conductor is the
same.

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On Sep 8, 1:06*pm, Jim Lux wrote:
All of this remains highly suppositional and suspicious both. *One
need only graze beneath a common 110KV transmission line to experience
field levels of 1KV/ft (33V/cm) to find no lower bacterial risk (and
frequent claims to the contrary of these fields having healative
powers).

While the field under the tower, in the absence of any conductors, is as
you say (actually, the earth has a field on the order of 1kV/m just from
* thunderstorm return currents). *If there's a conductor in that field,
though, that does not imply that the field within the conductor is the
same.

Jim
Since you are with the space agency I jumped threads to ask a
question.
When a space ship leaves earth or a satellite is stable in the sky I
assume that all
are in thier own magnetic field because of relative motion of earth.
Is it possible that there are a connecting magnetic
field in the Universe of a like polarity tp that of a geo satellite?
I would assume spacecraft record magnetic changes on their journey
but I have read no details of such measurements. When I use computer
programs to determine
a radiation field in free space of an antenna in equilibrium the
resulting radiation is zero as predicted by the extension of Gaussian
law!
Which begs the question, what provides the two like magnetic fields in
a geosatellite or are charges just sliding off the end
of antennas not in equilibrium? ( no gravity or combative weak fields
being present)
Regards
Art

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Art Unwin wrote:
On Sep 8, 1:06 pm, Jim Lux wrote:
All of this remains highly suppositional and suspicious both. One
need only graze beneath a common 110KV transmission line to experience
field levels of 1KV/ft (33V/cm) to find no lower bacterial risk (and
frequent claims to the contrary of these fields having healative
powers).
While the field under the tower, in the absence of any conductors, is as
you say (actually, the earth has a field on the order of 1kV/m just from
thunderstorm return currents). If there's a conductor in that field,
though, that does not imply that the field within the conductor is the
same.

Jim
Since you are with the space agency I jumped threads to ask a
question.
When a space ship leaves earth or a satellite is stable in the sky I
assume that all
are in thier own magnetic field because of relative motion of earth.
Is it possible that there are a connecting magnetic
field in the Universe of a like polarity tp that of a geo satellite?
I would assume spacecraft record magnetic changes on their journey
but I have read no details of such measurements. When I use computer
programs to determine
a radiation field in free space of an antenna in equilibrium the
resulting radiation is zero as predicted by the extension of Gaussian
law!
Which begs the question, what provides the two like magnetic fields in
a geosatellite or are charges just sliding off the end
of antennas not in equilibrium? ( no gravity or combative weak fields
being present)
Regards
Art

A spacecraft, like any other body, is immersed in whatever magnetic
field there is around it, plus whatever field it has itself (imagine
launching a bar magnet into space). In the case of an earth orbiter, the
field of the earth is strong enough that electromagnets in the
spacecraft can be used to change the orientation. Some spacecraft
record the magnetic field as part of experiments to measure the solar
system's magnetic field distribution. For these measurements, the
spacecraft's own field is subtracted out. It's either measured or
inferred from a series of measurements (e.g. if you spin the satellite,
and measure the field, the varying component is due to the surroundings
and the fixed component is due to the spacecraft... well, it's actually
more complex, because any soft magnetic material on the s/c affects it
too. The process is like swinging and calibrating a ship's compass,
see, e.g., Chapter 6 of Bowditch:
http://www.irbs.com/bowditch/pdf/chapt06.pdf
)

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"Art Unwin" wrote in message
...

Jim
Since you are with the space agency I jumped threads to ask a
question.
When a space ship leaves earth or a satellite is stable in the sky I
assume that all
are in thier own magnetic field because of relative motion of earth.
Is it possible that there are a connecting magnetic
field in the Universe of a like polarity tp that of a geo satellite?
I would assume spacecraft record magnetic changes on their journey
but I have read no details of such measurements. When I use computer
programs to determine
a radiation field in free space of an antenna in equilibrium the
resulting radiation is zero as predicted by the extension of Gaussian
law!
Which begs the question, what provides the two like magnetic fields in
a geosatellite or are charges just sliding off the end
of antennas not in equilibrium? ( no gravity or combative weak fields
being present)
Regards
Art

well art, this sounds like a challenging situation for your theory to
predict what happens... if there is no gravity to cause the magical mystery
particles to settle on the diamagnetic elements and therefore they keep
sliding off, how do satellites communicate with each other? a zero
radiation by your extended guassian law sure doesn't help either! maybe you
need to do some more thinking about all this stuff.... or you could do some
actual research and see what the magnetic field environment is at
geosynchronous altitude... just as a hint, take a look at this GOES Hp plot
he http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/today.html then to get a look even farther
out you can see the magnetic field that is part of the solar wind that moves
your magical particles he
http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/ace/MAG_SWEPAM_24h.html maybe the particle
densities they measure can actually be related to your magical mystery
particles?

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On Sep 8, 4:30*pm, "Dave" wrote:
"Art Unwin" wrote in message

...

Jim
Since you are with the space agency I jumped threads to ask a
question.
When a space ship leaves earth or a satellite is stable in the sky I
assume that all
are in thier own magnetic field because of relative motion of earth.

*Is it possible that there are a connecting magnetic

field in the Universe of a like polarity tp that of a geo satellite?
I would assume spacecraft record magnetic changes on their journey
but I have read no details of such measurements. When I use computer
programs to determine
a radiation field in free space of an antenna in equilibrium the
resulting radiation is zero as predicted by the extension of Gaussian
law!
Which begs the question, what provides the two like magnetic fields in
a geosatellite or are charges just sliding off the end
of antennas not in equilibrium? ( no gravity or combative weak fields
being present)
Regards
Art

well art, this sounds like a challenging situation for your theory to
predict what happens... if there is no gravity to cause the magical mystery
particles to settle on the diamagnetic elements and therefore they keep
sliding off, how do satellites communicate with each other? *a zero
radiation by your extended guassian law sure doesn't help either! *maybe you
need to do some more thinking about all this stuff.... or you could do some
actual research and see what the magnetic field environment is at
geosynchronous altitude... *just as a hint, take a look at this GOES Hp plot
hehttp://www.swpc.noaa.gov/today.html*then to get a look even farther
out you can see the magnetic field that is part of the solar wind that moves
your magical particles hehttp://www.swpc.noaa.gov/ace/MAG_SWEPAM_24h.html*maybe the particle
densities they measure can actually be related to your magical mystery
particles?

David, yes it was a challenge to my theory which led me down many
paths of thought.
You may remember that I expoused that charges travel thru the center
of a conductor that is not in equilibrium.
From the laws around equilibrium a charge on the outside of a radiator
has no sideways motion thus per Newtons laws
of action and reaction.Thus if the charge does move sideways then a
charge also moves on the inside of the radiator
again by Newtons laws. This suggests that in the case of a non
equilibrium radiator the circuit at the end of the radiator has two
choices.
! to creat an arc to complete the circuit
2 to travel down the center of the conductor where the resistance to
flow is solely wire resistance.
Quito Equador showed that in a thin atmosphere using a radiator not in
equilibrium arcs would flowat the ends of the radiator.
This phenomina was cured by using a closed circuit antenna such as the
Quad where the same choices did not occur.( it is in equilibrium)
So in my reasoning in outer space which is a vacuum an antenna cannot
radiate without external components.
When using a antenna program with an optimizer when inserting an
arrangement in equilibrium first you get more gain on Earth
than one of the present state of the art where "weak force is not
included in the algerithums and
2 when placing a array in free space the resulting radiation is ZERO.
Exactly what one would expect of a Gaussian field of statics when
there is no fracture of the arbitrary boundary. So David that is how I
resolved that question before I spoke of current flowing thru the
center
of a radiator. By the way there is no evudence that particles
eminating from the Sun arrive by Solar winds where particles receive a
charge
by relative movement to Earth (Einstein?) Remember, Einstein only
established the Laws of Relativity because of his disapointment of not
determining the Weak force which he needed for the Grand Theory of a
Universal Science/laws otherwise know as GUT. Using my aproach to
radiation I consider Einsteins
thoughts to be proven correct, tho not accepted as I am not an
academic involved in a scientific structure, otherwise known as not
invented here syndrom.
I will look at the URL's supplied by you to see what they have to
offer.
Now I can say
Best regards
Art Unwin KB9MZ.....xg

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On Mon, 08 Sep 2008 11:06:29 -0700, Jim Lux
wrote:



All of this remains highly suppositional and suspicious both. One
need only graze beneath a common 110KV transmission line to experience
field levels of 1KV/ft (33V/cm) to find no lower bacterial risk (and
frequent claims to the contrary of these fields having healative
powers).

While the field under the tower, in the absence of any conductors, is as
you say (actually, the earth has a field on the order of 1kV/m just from
thunderstorm return currents). If there's a conductor in that field,
though, that does not imply that the field within the conductor is the
same.

Try it at any scale, and that certainly is true. Roll back this tape
to the beginning and offer the same observation.

There you would find upwards to 800V laid across 1mm of separation.
Within that 1mm are two .25mm probes measuring a field described to be
1V/cm. Those same probes fall prey to your observation. Then carry
that forward to a medical (sic) device doing the same (sic) thing with
far less potential to the same (apparent) field, for a vastly greater
bulk of conductive tissue.

Yes, "fields" have been trotted out as the universal panacea - in the
face of a counter argument for those same "fields" neither of which
have any real science between them.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

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On Sep 8, 4:04*pm, Jim Lux wrote:
Art Unwin wrote:
On Sep 8, 1:06 pm, Jim Lux wrote:
All of this remains highly suppositional and suspicious both. *One
need only graze beneath a common 110KV transmission line to experience
field levels of 1KV/ft (33V/cm) to find no lower bacterial risk (and
frequent claims to the contrary of these fields having healative
powers).
While the field under the tower, in the absence of any conductors, is as
you say (actually, the earth has a field on the order of 1kV/m just from
* thunderstorm return currents). *If there's a conductor in that field,
though, that does not imply that the field within the conductor is the
same.

Jim
Since you are with the space agency I jumped threads to ask a
question.
When a space ship leaves earth or a satellite is stable in the sky I
assume that all
are in thier own magnetic field because of relative motion of earth.
*Is it possible that there are a connecting magnetic
field in the Universe of a like polarity tp that of a geo satellite?
I would assume spacecraft record magnetic changes on their journey
*but I have read no details of such measurements. When I use computer
programs to determine
a radiation field in free space of an antenna in equilibrium the
resulting radiation is zero as predicted by the extension of Gaussian
law!
Which begs the question, what provides the two like magnetic fields in
a geosatellite or are charges just sliding off the end
of antennas not in equilibrium? ( no gravity or combative weak fields
being present)
Regards
Art

A spacecraft, like any other body, is immersed in whatever magnetic
field there is around it, plus whatever field it has itself (imagine
launching a bar magnet into space). In the case of an earth orbiter, the
field of the earth is strong enough that electromagnets in the
spacecraft can be used to change the orientation. *Some spacecraft
record the magnetic field as part of experiments to measure the solar
system's magnetic field distribution. For these measurements, the
spacecraft's own field is subtracted out. It's either measured or
inferred from a series of measurements (e.g. if you spin the satellite,
and measure the field, the varying component is due to the surroundings
and the fixed component is due to the spacecraft... well, it's actually
more complex, because any soft magnetic material on the s/c affects it
too. *The process is like swinging and calibrating a ship's compass,
see, e.g., Chapter 6 of Bowditch:http://www.irbs.com/bowditch/pdf/chapt06..pdf
)

Very good. So here are two separate magnetic fields external to the
boundary enclosed
static particles which migrate to a diagmatic surface (the antenna)
and since radiation does occur
we can assume a collision of these magnetic fields which is opposed by
the synthetic gravity
of the space craft that generates the weak force. That leaves one
gigantic problem of apparent weightless ness
as seen on TV unless it is still there but not readily evident given a
particular time segment.
Thank you very much for supplying the above comment and I will now
look at the URL presented
Best regards
Art Unwin.....KB9MZ....xg