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"Jeff Liebermann" wrote in message
...

Good luck. Let me know when you produce some logic, equations, or
numbers.

don't hold your breath, he hasn't produced anything logical and definitely
no equations for anything he has said.

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On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 22:04:25 GMT, "Dave" wrote:

"Jeff Liebermann" wrote in message
.. .

Good luck. Let me know when you produce some logic, equations, or
numbers.

don't hold your breath, he hasn't produced anything logical and definitely
no equations for anything he has said.

Not a problem. Neither have I.


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150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

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On Sep 18, 4:51*pm, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 12:14:31 -0700, John Smith

wrote:
Well, ya', an adjustable whip(s) is good, especially with the cost of
copper and the pain in "resoldering your prunings." *LOL

Incidentally, one of the tricks I learned (the hard way) was to
replace the mobile whip antenna with a piece of copper electrical
wire. *Then cut it to length, tune, optimize, test and whatever. *Once
the optimum length is established, replace the copper wire antenna
with the real stainless whip, cut to the exact same length.

You have wine? *Why didn't you say so, that changes everything:

The antenna transfer function of wine is highly exponential and very
non-linear. *A little wine will produce a superior antenna. *However,
incremental increases in wine dosage will tend to have lesser effects.
At some threshold, additional can cause a substantial drop in
performance. *It may even go negative. *Think equilibrium.

Or, to summarize, the more complex the antenna, the more meters you are
going to need ... LOL

Kinda reminds me of a former tech. *All day, he would spend his time
working with the latest state of the art test equipment in the lab.
After hours, he would drag out his ham radio, and tune the xmitter to
maximum using a light bulb dummy load. *Attempts to convince him that
the company test equipment might be useful for dealing with his radios
were futile.

If away from my laptop, the programmable calculator is always in my
pocket! (I mean, my gawd man, I have space invaders on it!) *straight-face

That doesn't leave much room for the pocket protector. *I collect HP
calculators. *There are numerous calculators scattered around the
office and house. *No need to drag a calculator around.

... some patents are NOT what they used to be ... but then, there has
always been some suspicion about the politics involved, not to mention
courts ...

There's plenty wrong with patents that I don't wanna get into. Suffice
to say that it's very helpful to understand something about patents
before trying to create one. *I'm just suggesting that you make the
effort to read patents.

Groan. *I decide to stay home today to recover from my home cooking.
Outside, PG&E (the power company) and the local tree service just
arrived. *There goes my power...

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150 Felker St #D * *http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann * * AE6KS * *831-336-2558

Jeff we all make mistakes by over estimating ones ability
In making one of my antennas I made a last minuit change just in time
before I finished the antenna
It was some weeks before that antenna was tested on the air in
Australia
That test proved that reprocity with respect to radiation is not a
given!.
I had neutralised the weak force such that particles could arrive but
not depart!
Yes it was an error on my part but it didn't rule out the value of
experimentationj.
Has anybody got a use for such an antenna?. This error in many ways
provided
proof that the trail I followed was coirrect. This is why I have
delayed the sending of a antenna to AC6XG
as the correction took over some of my free time. But Jim understands
what happened not necessarily why.
as he does have trust and an open mind as well as my respect.
When I supplied an antenna to the U of I I gave them a sample of the
same antenna in Australia
because of their treatment towards me and comments made in advance of
getting the antenna.
Thus I gave them exactly what they expected to get based on pre
examine comments similar to those of this group
He who laughs last laughs longer and forever. Something like getting a
bunch of wire with lip stick all over it
Best regards
Art Unwin....KB9MZ.......xg

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On Sep 18, 4:58*pm, "Dave" wrote:
"joe" wrote in ...
Many antennas are built using tubing for light weight. So, if there is a
current flowing in the middle, it is good that the ends of the tubes are
crimped, or plugged. I wouldn't want the flowing electrons spilling out
onto my lawn.

thats why they put those plastic plugs on elements, to keep the magical
mystery dielectric particles from falling off instead of going back up the
middle... if you ever lose the plastic caps you will notice the antenna
starts leaking and the particles pileup in your yard making a real mess.

If the inside is covered with an eddy current field the particle
cannot get to the aluminum
which debunks the idea that the electron can penetrate evreything.
Forgeting the fact that it is searching for a
diamagnetic surface to rest upon. The same situyation is repeated
inside a wave guide.
Do you think I could put "Doc' with my name to impress people?
Art Unwin...KB9MZ

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Dave wrote:

...
don't hold your breath, he hasn't produced anything logical and definitely
no equations for anything he has said.

Now let me analyze this and see ...

1) He is dealing with matters/effects/theories/speculations which
universities/physicists/scholars/mathematician/theorists/amateurs/etc.
are working/speculating/experimenting on.

2) Usually actions/effects/affects/phenomenon are observed before it
even occurs to anyone to design an equation or formula about it.

3) Some speculations will, obviously, be incorrect or partially correct
and need rethinking, or scraped and new ones advanced.

4) Etc., etc.

Nope, you are quite correct ... he hasn't. However, to some, the
reason(s) will be quite obvious; for others, it may take a bit longer ...

Regards,
JS

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On Sep 18, 5:04*pm, "Dave" wrote:
"Jeff Liebermann" wrote in message

...

Good luck. *Let me know when you produce some logic, equations, or
numbers.

don't hold your breath, he hasn't produced anything logical and definitely
no equations for anything he has said.

Oh David emotion has got such a hold on you that you can't think
straight.
In one of the management classes I took they said if an employee can
not be calmed
always protect the path to exit. Medics say that anger or emotion can
shut down the route
to the house of logic in the human brain such that logic cannot come
into being.
Seams like the human brain is subdivided into physical block of
knoweledge
This explains why a baby learnes to walk quicker than a grown man with
experience
and tangled information routes.. You need a 2 by 4 to shake things up
Think about that Dave
Still your friend
Art

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On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:35:38 -0700, Jeff Liebermann
wrote:

Incidentally, the LearnByDestroying.com has nothing to do with ham
radio. A college I attended has the motto "Learn by Doing".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Polytechnic_State_University
That morphed into "Learn By Destroying" which seemed to be the
practice in the engineering department. Since graduating with a
rather substantial damage fee, I have adopted it as my personal motto.
If you haven't destroyed and later repaired it, you don't understand
how it works.

Oops. Wrong Cal Poly:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_State_Polytechnic_University,_Pomona
The San Luis Obispo motto of "Discere Faciendo" which is Latin for "To
Learn by Doing" was once the motto for both skools. The motto and
seal for Pomona changed when the skools split in the 1960's to
"Instrumentum Disciplinae" which is Latin for "Application of
Knowledge". This was often incorrectly interpreted as "Instrument of
Discipline" as indicated by the hammer and mace like weapons in the
logos.


--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

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On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:28:18 -0700 (PDT), Art Unwin
wrote:

...where as, your expertise in mathematics can test
the logic to its limits which defy opposition

Ok, let's test your logic. So far, I've seen exactly one prediction
of yours worth testing. It's you claim that current flows primarily
in the center of a conductor. Avoiding the math for now, let's do the
necessary thought experiments. If this were a court of law, the judge
would prepare a set of rhetorical questions, all of which must be true
if the plaintiffs claims were true. I'll do the same.

1. If current flows along the inside of a wire, and not on the
outside, how does the field radiate through the alleged non-conducting
outer part of the wires? The radiation would be trapped inside the
conductor, only to perhaps emerge at ends.

2. If current flow along the inside of a wire, then it would seem
that increasing the effective diameter of the conductor would have no
effect on its impedance. Measurements of the Q of large diameter
conductors versus small diameter conductors have show that impedance
goes down with an increase in wire diameter.

3. How does a cage antenna work? The effective diameter is huge, but
there's a giant hole in the middle, through which no current is
conducted. If most of the RF current flowed through the center, and
there is no center, then a cage antenna can't work.

I can conjur a few more rhetorical questions, but these should be
sufficient to illustrate the problem. Your antenna current
distribution model does not fit very well with tested reality.

Got any more prediction? I need the target practice.

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

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On Sep 18, 7:02*pm, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:28:18 -0700 (PDT), Art Unwin

wrote:
...where as, your expertise in mathematics can test
the logic to its limits which defy opposition


I am having a go at this before I read the questions!!!!


Ok, let's test your logic. *So far, I've seen exactly one prediction
of yours worth testing. *It's you claim that current flows primarily
in the center of a conductor. *Avoiding the math for now, let's do the
necessary thought experiments. *If this were a court of law, the judge
would prepare a set of rhetorical questions, all of which must be true
if the plaintiffs claims were true. *I'll do the same.


1. *If current flows along the inside of a wire, and not on the
outside, how does the field radiate through the alleged non-conducting
outer part of the wires? *The radiation would be trapped inside the
conductor, only to perhaps emerge at end
Answer
Not so a length of radiator which is a fractional wavelenth will have
charges in motion on the outside creating radiation
the rest of the charge length will be inside the radiator where a
magnetic field cannot be created and particles if they were present
cannot pierce the eddy current on the surface. For radiation at all
times the radiator must be a wavelength or multiple thereof or a
period of the frequency in use for radiation to not disappear from the
surface where the levitating force is present to eject particles



2. *If current flow along the inside of a wire, then it would seem
that increasing the effective diameter of the conductor would have no
effect on its impedance. *Measurements of the Q of large diameter
conductors versus small diameter conductors have show that impedance
goes down with an increase in wire diameter.

Answer
Not so. the increase in diameter does not affect conditions that are
exposed to air
thus the progression of skin depth is the same. Thus copper losses on
the inside circuit
will be reduced as well as lost radiation resistance in the circuit. I
previously stated that
copper losses on the inside of a fractional wavelength antenna must be
considered separately from the groundplain resistance
which is required i.e. they are two separate resistances in series.

Answer



3. *How does a cage antenna work? *The effective diameter is huge, but
there's a giant hole in the middle, through which no current is
conducted. *If most of the RF current flowed through the center, and
there is no center, then a cage antenna can't work.

I am not familiar with a cage antenna but from the above description
is
that it is transformed into a Farady cage

Answer

I can conjur a few more rhetorical questions, but these should be
sufficient to illustrate the problem. *Your antenna current
distribution model does not fit very well with tested reality.

Hmm why not?

Got any more prediction? *I need the target practice.
Yes
Earlier I pointed to the fact that eddy current can be neutralised
such that particles canot be ejected from the surface
Indeependent testing showed there was nothing to prevent particles
from settling on a diamagnetic substance thereby inducing
an oscillation . At the same time on the transmitting side the
particles were still present on the diamagnetic surface because the
ejection force
was neutralised thus preventing ejection otherwise seen as
transmission.

Another one
The computor on the first example disapointed me as I expected a
higher gain (stated on this net)When I corrected the nullification of
the foucault current by separation the computor program gave the gain
I initiall expected in gun shot form which migrates in a way to a
lazer ray which is oif a similar science
thus HF does not necessarily have to diverge such that gain is
nullified.



If you want more target to aim at listen for the BIG BANG and then aim
at the resulting BLACK HOLE

--
Jeff Liebermann * *
150 Felker St #D * *http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann * * AE6KS * *831-336-2558

Art

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On Sep 18, 8:52*pm, Art Unwin wrote:
On Sep 18, 7:02*pm, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:28:18 -0700 (PDT), Art Unwin

wrote:
...where as, your expertise in mathematics can test
the logic to its limits which defy opposition

I am having a go at this before I read the questions!!!!



Ok, let's test your logic. *So far, I've seen exactly one prediction
of yours worth testing. *It's you claim that current flows primarily
in the center of a conductor. *Avoiding the math for now, let's do the
necessary thought experiments. *If this were a court of law, the judge
would prepare a set of rhetorical questions, all of which must be true
if the plaintiffs claims were true. *I'll do the same.

1. *If current flows along the inside of a wire, and not on the
outside, how does the field radiate through the alleged non-conducting
outer part of the wires? *The radiation would be trapped inside the
conductor, only to perhaps emerge at end

Answer
Not so a length of radiator which is a fractional wavelenth will have
charges in motion on the outside creating radiation
the rest of the charge length will be inside the radiator where a
magnetic field cannot be created and particles if they were present
cannot pierce the eddy current on the surface. For radiation at all
times the radiator must be a wavelength or multiple thereof or a
period of the frequency in use for radiation to not disappear from the
surface where the levitating force is present to eject particles



2. *If current flow along the inside of a wire, then it would seem
that increasing the effective diameter of the conductor would have no
effect on its impedance. *Measurements of the Q of large diameter
conductors versus small diameter conductors have show that impedance
goes down with an increase in wire diameter.

Answer
Not so. the increase in diameter does not affect conditions *that are
exposed to air
thus the progression of skin depth is the same. Thus copper losses on
the inside circuit
will be reduced as well as lost radiation resistance in the circuit. I
previously stated that
copper losses on the inside of a fractional wavelength antenna must be
considered separately from the groundplain resistance
which is required i.e. they are two separate resistances in series.

Answer



3. *How does a cage antenna work? *The effective diameter is huge, but
there's a giant hole in the middle, through which no current is
conducted. *If most of the RF current flowed through the center, and
there is no center, then a cage antenna can't work.

I am not familiar with a cage antenna but from the above description
is
*that it is transformed into a Farady cage

Answer



I can conjur a few more rhetorical questions, but these should be
sufficient to illustrate the problem. *Your antenna current
distribution model does not fit very well with tested reality.

Hmm why not?

Got any more prediction? *I need the target practice.

Yes
Earlier I pointed to the fact that eddy current can be neutralised
such that particles canot be ejected from the surface
Indeependent testing showed there was nothing to prevent particles
from settling on a diamagnetic substance thereby inducing
an oscillation . At the same time on the transmitting side the
particles were still present on the diamagnetic surface because the
ejection force
was neutralised thus preventing ejection otherwise seen as
transmission.

Another one
The computor on the first example disapointed me as I expected a
higher gain (stated on this net)When I corrected the nullification of
the foucault current by separation the computor program gave the gain
I initiall expected in gun shot form which migrates in a way to a
lazer ray which is oif a similar science
thus HF does not necessarily have to diverge such that gain is
nullified.

If you want more target to aim at listen for the BIG BANG and then aim
at the resulting BLACK HOLE



--
Jeff Liebermann * *
150 Felker St #D * *http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann * * AE6KS * *831-336-2558

Art

Here is another on per Newton for stabalization ech action has an
opposite
reaction. I have pointed to the construct to represent these two
forces where the
rotators are at right angles to each other as with the Foucault
current.
On a terrstial scale tidal forces must also produce eddy currents of
circulating water.
Such large areas have beem found lately of the coast of Spain which is
now widening the search
rather than relying on idle reports from shipping. Since weather is
also in terrestial form a storm force
by definition requires the same force for stabalisation thus the whirl
pool and the tornado. Note the reaction force is sometimes swamped by
the
providing force by paramagnetic effects tho with respect to tornadoes
droplets of water as well as the particles at rest are drawn up into
the sky where water as a diamagnetic material provides a shift in
energy of a static form. Jeff everything seems to mesh with what I am
disclosing In addition when the droplets of water gets colder and
turns to ice the resident particles are forced to find a new home and
gyrate towards water which trees and humans consist of. The contained
energy of such particles is so small that it is inconseivable that
serch for a new resting place would contain energy of stellar size
but the movement of such particles at a high speed would provide
harmonic motion to the particles to generate a swarth of different
frequencies.
And it gos on and on
Art