On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 14:02:06 +0000, Dave wrote:

Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 12:49:04 +0000, Dave wrote:

Why don't you two get a room? This bull**** has nothing to do with ham
radio. However, maybe if we ionized your hot air we could bounce some
70 cm off the cloud.

I've always suspected that some hams hated math and other technical
subjects. While it is conceivable that you could build a ham antenna
without using math, I don't think the results would be optimal. There
are also those that advocate converting ham radio from a technical
hobby, to a sport, where the technical aspects are diminished to the
point of extinction, and the operational exercises of contesting, DX,
CW, and rag chewing are predominant. No math required. Perhaps the
FCC could balkanize the ham bands into technical and non-technical
sub-bands, where the clueless and those that still design, calculate,
and build their own equipment can be seperated for their own safety.

What equipment do you build for the amateur bands? Where does one
employ that much theoretical physics?

I spent about 15 year repairing commercial 2way radios, designing
accessories, working for several radio manufacturers, and playing RF
consultant. Methinks I can count about 15 independent products I
helped design during this time. None of them were specific to ham
radio, but could be adapted for ham use. At no time did I ever resort
to theoretical fizzix, quantum theory, or other occult arts. However,
I did employ a few magical incantations, especially when things did
not work as expected.

I never even suggested that theoretical fizzix was involved in the
design of amateur radio and antennas. Please re-read what you quoted
from my previous posting. Do you see any fizzix in there? What are
you suggesting?

Incidentally, since quantum theory violates every rule of logic,
causality, rationality, common sense, conventional wisdom, and
intuition, I've always suspected that it was a refuge of such
thinkers.

I have software and analyzers to help me;

Same here. However, my analyst charges far too much money per hour
and is used sparingly.

I don't need to throw
general theory around on a bulletin board that is over the head of 95%
of the people whose curiosity might be piqued by the name of the group.

Then don't throw general theory around. Nobody will learn anything
new. Ham radio will remain exactly as it is now and has been since
the invention of radio. Progress will cease and life will be easy for
all involved.

Perhaps if you applied your quantoid lunacy to making a suitcase
quadrifilar helix for HF or something, I'd be less hurt.

Umm... I think I see a problem here. Please check your attribution. I
think your question is for Art, not me. I don't think either of us
intentend to hurt you, but now that you mention it, a little temporary
pain might revive you from your sleep typing.

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Jeff Liebermann
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