Photons cannot travel at all without ether because
the absence of ether means there is nothing through
which to travel. Photons simply cannot travel outside
of the universe into absolute nothingness.

How does ether affect the velocity factor of light?

The velocity factor of free space ether is 1.0.
The velocity factor of absolute nothing is zero.

So a black cloth is somehow able to displace the Ether?

JB wrote:

...
So a black cloth is somehow able to displace the Ether?

No, the ether permeates the black cloth, much the same way as air (a
gas), or water (a fluid) would ... surely you have seen these at play!
There should be no "leap of faith" necessary there!

.... baby step, baby steps ...

Regards,
JS

JB wrote:
So a black cloth is somehow able to displace the Ether?

What a strange irrational conclusion.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com
"According to the general theory of relativity,
space without ether is unthinkable." Albert Einstein

"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
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JB wrote:
So a black cloth is somehow able to displace the Ether?

What a strange irrational conclusion.

Oh but if it can make the clock disappear as easily as sucking out all the
ether...

Gotcha.

JB wrote:
Oh but if it can make the clock disappear as easily as sucking out all the
ether...

Sorry, I don't recall saying that sucking out all the
ether is even possible, much less easy.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com
"According to the general theory of relativity,
space without ether is unthinkable." Albert Einstein

JB wrote:
So a black cloth is somehow able to displace the Ether?


"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
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What a strange irrational conclusion.


JB wrote:
Oh but if it can make the clock disappear as easily as sucking out all the
ether...

Gotcha.

Man, whatever you are on, I'd try it once, in the mountains, on a
weekend, but only if medical science could guarantee there wasn't
permanent brain damage or flashbacks--and it wore off shortly!

Maybe a twelve-step program?; have you considered that?

Regards,
JS

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
JB wrote:
So a black cloth is somehow able to displace the Ether?


"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
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What a strange irrational conclusion.


JB wrote:
Oh but if it can make the clock disappear as easily as sucking out all
the
ether...

Gotcha.

Man, whatever you are on, I'd try it once, in the mountains, on a
weekend, but only if medical science could guarantee there wasn't
permanent brain damage or flashbacks--and it wore off shortly!

Maybe a twelve-step program?; have you considered that?

Regards,
JS
Looking for substance?

On Sep 22, 7:20*am, Cecil Moore wrote:
John Smith wrote:
Indeed, the bell jar, being made of the large molecules of our matter
would appear as a very large screen, or even like a layer of gravel to a
liquid/gas, to the quantum-structure-nature of ether ...

Consider that the ether may be made out of exotic dark
matter capable of occupying the same space as the glass
in the jar, indeed providing the very structure that
allows the glass to exist in the form that we perceive.

It is possible to consider that as a possible explanation provided
that the hypothesis of exotic dark matter can ever be shown to exist
physically, which it can't. It can be used hypothetcally as a possible
explanation for the alleged expansion of the universe, which
originates from observations using our Hubble peep hole, from which
can see a only tiny portion of the total volume of the universe,
backwards in time. For that hypothesis to be true, of course we must
verify that alleged exotic matter, which cannot be observed, has a
negative gravitational force relative to physical mass, something not
intuitively obvious; this Hubble observation is where the advocates of
exotic matter get their most support. And here we are putting the cart
one light year ahead of the horse by considering that it is, or may
be, the so called ether for light. Other plausible hypotheses such as
an alternation of expansion and contraction cycles, possibly as a
damped waceform, do not depend on the abstraction of exotic matter at
all.

On Sep 22, 10:18*am, John Smith wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote:
John Smith wrote:
Indeed, the bell jar, being made of the large molecules of our matter
would appear as a very large screen, or even like a layer of gravel to
a liquid/gas, to the quantum-structure-nature of ether ...

Consider that the ether may be made out of exotic dark
matter capable of occupying the same space as the glass
in the jar, indeed providing the very structure that
allows the glass to exist in the form that we perceive.

Could be, but can be explained without "dark matter" ...

Lead is a very dense material, we use it as shielding against atomic
particles. *Take a chunk in your hand and contemplate all those
molecules of lead you are holding. *Then realize if that block of lead
were enlarged to scale, to where an atom of that lead were the size of
an orange, and you are standing next to one atom--the next closest atom
would be about the length of a football field away. *This leaves plenty
of room for quantum material to pass though easier than wind passes
though a chain-link fence ...

Actually, I am far too conservative in this example ... this:

"If a drop of water were enlarged to the size of the earth, each atom in
it would be about the size of an orange. Yet most of an atom is empty
space through which the electrons whirl. The nucleus itself occupies
only one million-billionth of the atom's bulk. "

*From he

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...792294,00.html

"Our matter", being used as a "bottle" for ether is a "SERIOUS JOKE!"

Regards,
JS

It is so encouraging to note that our technical gurus gain their
scientific basis from the science writers at time.com. Wikipedia
too ;-)

On Sep 22, 1:36*pm, Cecil Moore wrote:
John Smith wrote:
I think the particles of a photon pass though the ether unhindered, why?

Without the ether a photon would certainly be "hindered". :-)
How many photons have you ever known to leave the universe?

That would be the total sum of all photons that have ever passed
beyond the event horizons of all black holes in the universe. That
might turn out to be quite a few photons.