WHEEL STATIC ONLY ON SOME PATCHES OF PAVEMENT? WHY?
 

Mark wrote:
WHEEL STATIC ONLY ON SOME PATCHES OF PAVEMENT? WHY?
With the financial mess, I have started to listen to AM radio in the
car on the way to and from work for the past few weeks and I've
noticed some random static at certain locations. At first I
attributed this to some power line noise. Bit it didn't really sound
like 60 Hz buzz hash, it was more random popcorn like but I know power
lines can blow around in the wind and have strange discharges so I
didn't think too much of it for a while. But after a few days I
noticed that the static is there only when the car is moving. OK, so
its wheel static. Static electricity from the wheels or brakes or
something. OK that's not unusual either. But it is the combination
that has me curious. This static only occurs when the car is moving
and it only occurs at certain repeatable locations on my drive.
Everyday when I turn the corner from X to Y, I get the static as the
car is moving, but not when stopped at the same corner. And I never
get the static when turning the corner from A to B. If it was power
line, stopping the car wouldn't stop the static. If it is wheel
static, why does it not happen all the time and happen only at certain
locations. It seems as if these certain locations have something
special about the pavement or the water content of the soil or
something. None of that seems likely to me though, I see nothing
changing in the pavement as I drive from an area of static to an area
of non-static. It is not related to stepping on the brake or gas or
shifting gears or going over bumps or any other aspect of the car that
I can tell other than it's speed down the road.
As an experiment, I attached a drag wire under the car. The wire
drags on the ground to discharge any static build up the car. This
made no difference. Another clue, we've had no rain here in a
while. The static all stops during wet weather. Also I am in the
Philadelphia area and the AM station is in the New York area so it is
on the weak side.
I've been a ham for over 30 years and I have a lot of experience with
EMI, but this one has me scratching my head. The wheel static
changes repeatably in different locations for no apparent reason.
It's got to be something to do with the pavement. Anybody have any
experience with this?

Mark
I used to run HF mobile, and had this same problem all the time. I had
so many bonding straps under my truck that mechanics and oil change
personnel would ask what they were for. I operated mainly on 40 and 80,
and the engine/computer/fuel pump noise was very low. But, the tire
noise was a big problem. For some reason, bias ply tires produced the
most noise, and radials the least. There was always a difference being
on the road, and the shoulder. On dirt roads, no problem at all. I tried
graphite in the tires, but never thought to try it in the axle grease.

bob baldwin WA5JOT
bryan, texas

WHEEL STATIC ONLY ON SOME PATCHES OF PAVEMENT? WHY?
 

On Nov 7, 8:34*am, Bob Baldwin wrote:
Mark wrote:
WHEEL STATIC ONLY ON SOME PATCHES OF PAVEMENT? *WHY?
With the financial mess, I have started to listen to AM radio in the
car on the way to and from work for the past few weeks and I've
noticed some random static at certain locations. *At first I
attributed this to some power line noise. *Bit it didn't really sound
like 60 Hz buzz hash, it was more random popcorn like but I know power
lines can blow around in the wind and have strange discharges so I
didn't think too much of it for a while. *But after a few days I
noticed that the static is there only when the car is moving. * OK, so
its wheel *static. Static electricity from the wheels or brakes or
something. *OK that's not unusual either. * But it is the combination
that has me curious. *This static only occurs when the car is moving
and it only occurs at certain repeatable locations on my drive.
Everyday when I turn the corner from X to Y, I get the static as the
car is moving, but not when stopped at the same corner. * *And I never
get the static when turning the corner from A to B. *If it was power
line, stopping the car wouldn't stop the static. *If it is wheel
static, why does it not happen all the time and happen only at certain
locations. *It seems as if these certain locations have something
special about the pavement or the water content of the soil or
something. *None of that seems likely to me though, I see nothing
changing in the pavement as I drive from an area of static to an area
of non-static. * *It is not related to stepping on the brake or gas or
shifting gears or going over bumps or any other aspect of the car that
I can tell other than it's speed down the road.
As an experiment, I attached a drag wire under the car. *The wire
drags on the ground to discharge any static build up *the car. *This
made no difference. * Another clue, we've had no rain here in a
while. *The static all stops during wet weather. *Also I am in the
Philadelphia area and the AM station is in the New York area so it is
on the weak side.
I've been a ham for over 30 years and I have a lot of experience with
EMI, but this one has me scratching my head. *The *wheel static
changes repeatably *in different locations for no apparent reason.
It's got to be something to do with the pavement. *Anybody have any
experience with this?

Mark

* I used to run HF mobile, and had this same problem all the time. I had
so many bonding straps under my truck that mechanics and oil change
personnel would ask what they were for. I operated mainly on 40 and 80,
and the engine/computer/fuel pump noise was very low. But, the tire
noise was a big problem. For some reason, bias ply tires produced the
most noise, and radials the least. There was always a difference being
on the road, and the shoulder. On dirt roads, no problem at all. I tried
graphite in the tires, but never thought to try it in the axle grease.

bob baldwin WA5JOT
bryan, texas- Hide quoted text -

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A lot of time when you cross the state line the asphalt changes and
you can hear the difference. I noticed a big difference as soon as I
crossed into Ga from Fl the other day. Fl had the new asphalt that is
suppose to give you more traction in the rain and Ga hadnt upgraded
their's yet. I didnt realize the stactic was coming from the road/
tires until it turned off like someone threw a switch as soon as I
crossed the line.


Jimmie

WHEEL STATIC ONLY ON SOME PATCHES OF PAVEMENT? WHY?
 

On Nov 7, 9:01*am, JIMMIE wrote:
On Nov 7, 8:34*am, Bob Baldwin wrote:



Mark wrote:
WHEEL STATIC ONLY ON SOME PATCHES OF PAVEMENT? *WHY?
With the financial mess, I have started to listen to AM radio in the
car on the way to and from work for the past few weeks and I've
noticed some random static at certain locations. *At first I
attributed this to some power line noise. *Bit it didn't really sound
like 60 Hz buzz hash, it was more random popcorn like but I know power
lines can blow around in the wind and have strange discharges so I
didn't think too much of it for a while. *But after a few days I
noticed that the static is there only when the car is moving. * OK, so
its wheel *static. Static electricity from the wheels or brakes or
something. *OK that's not unusual either. * But it is the combination
that has me curious. *This static only occurs when the car is moving
and it only occurs at certain repeatable locations on my drive.
Everyday when I turn the corner from X to Y, I get the static as the
car is moving, but not when stopped at the same corner. * *And I never
get the static when turning the corner from A to B. *If it was power
line, stopping the car wouldn't stop the static. *If it is wheel
static, why does it not happen all the time and happen only at certain
locations. *It seems as if these certain locations have something
special about the pavement or the water content of the soil or
something. *None of that seems likely to me though, I see nothing
changing in the pavement as I drive from an area of static to an area
of non-static. * *It is not related to stepping on the brake or gas or
shifting gears or going over bumps or any other aspect of the car that
I can tell other than it's speed down the road.
As an experiment, I attached a drag wire under the car. *The wire
drags on the ground to discharge any static build up *the car. *This
made no difference. * Another clue, we've had no rain here in a
while. *The static all stops during wet weather. *Also I am in the
Philadelphia area and the AM station is in the New York area so it is
on the weak side.
I've been a ham for over 30 years and I have a lot of experience with
EMI, but this one has me scratching my head. *The *wheel static
changes repeatably *in different locations for no apparent reason.
It's got to be something to do with the pavement. *Anybody have any
experience with this?

Mark

* I used to run HF mobile, and had this same problem all the time. I had
so many bonding straps under my truck that mechanics and oil change
personnel would ask what they were for. I operated mainly on 40 and 80,
and the engine/computer/fuel pump noise was very low. But, the tire
noise was a big problem. For some reason, bias ply tires produced the
most noise, and radials the least. There was always a difference being
on the road, and the shoulder. On dirt roads, no problem at all. I tried
graphite in the tires, but never thought to try it in the axle grease.

bob baldwin WA5JOT
bryan, texas- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

A lot of time when you cross the state line the asphalt changes and
you can hear the difference. I noticed a big difference as soon as I
crossed into Ga from Fl the other day. Fl had the new asphalt that is
suppose to give you more traction in the rain and Ga hadnt upgraded
their's yet. I didnt realize the stactic was coming from the road/
tires until it turned off like someone threw a switch as soon as I
crossed the line.

Jimmie

If the road surface interface is not "keyed" to the moving part then
statitic will always
occur. If there is a contradiction in velocity of the two interfaced
parts static will occur,
if the two surfaces maintain the same velocity static will not occur.
Thus static production
depend purely on relative velocity which is governed by friction in
your case.
Art

WHEEL STATIC ONLY ON SOME PATCHES OF PAVEMENT? WHY?
 

On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 13:17:06 -0800 (PST), Art Unwin
wrote:

Some readers may be confused with the terminology of the original:

If the road surface interface is not "keyed" to the moving part then

Keyed: Scraping action alongside of a car for retribution.

statitic will always
occur. If there is a contradiction in velocity of the two interfaced
parts static will occur,

Contradiction: A failed interdiction.

if the two surfaces maintain the same velocity static will not occur.
Thus static production
depend purely on relative velocity which is governed by friction in
your case.

Velocity: In southern Asia, larger than a town, smaller than a
metropolis.

Art

Thus our original authur posits: if while driving around, the decaying
hegemony of the counter-terrorists up and whisk you off to Ceylon for
an interview - and you manage to scrape out of it (Keyed
Contradiction), you will have escaped incarceration in the city of
Velo (originally Veloceylon, that westerners have regrettably
corrupted, as in the original here with Velocity) where static cling,
the bane of haberdashers, is notable outside of the monsoon season.

Haberdashers? Static cling? Yes, it is an exceptional reach in
vocabulary to answer for noise from the pavement. Join us at
rec.radio.amateur.antenna for further examples in this fascinating
tour of creative expression.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

WHEEL STATIC ONLY ON SOME PATCHES OF PAVEMENT? WHY?
 

On Thu, 6 Nov 2008 02:24:48 -0500, Ed Cregger wrote:
"Tehrasha Darkon" wrote:
On Wed, 5 Nov 2008, Mark wrote:

I've been a ham for over 30 years and I have a lot of experience with
EMI, but this one has me scratching my head. The wheel static
changes repeatably in different locations for no apparent reason.
It's got to be something to do with the pavement. Anybody have any
experience with this?

My guess is different lengths/types/orientation of rebar in the roadbed.

Or electronic/magnetic sensors embedded in the road.

I've been able to associate _hash_ , not *static* , to DOT-type roadside
traffic informational signs -- usually the solar-assisted, battery
operated style. My guess is they use some high-KHz power conversion
and/or some not-so-well shielded electronics to operate the sign. The
effect, though, is seen over a quarter mile, or less, section of the road.

Jonesy
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38.24N 104.55W | @ config.com | Jonesy | OS/2
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WHEEL STATIC ONLY ON SOME PATCHES OF PAVEMENT? WHY?
 

"Mark" wrote in message
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WHEEL STATIC ONLY ON SOME PATCHES OF PAVEMENT? WHY?
With the financial mess, I have started to listen to AM radio in the
car on the way to and from work for the past few weeks and I've
noticed some random static at certain locations. At first I
attributed this to some power line noise. Bit it didn't really sound
like 60 Hz buzz hash, it was more random popcorn like but I know power
lines can blow around in the wind and have strange discharges so I
didn't think too much of it for a while. But after a few days I
noticed that the static is there only when the car is moving. OK, so
its wheel static. Static electricity from the wheels or brakes or
something. OK that's not unusual either. But it is the combination
that has me curious. This static only occurs when the car is moving
and it only occurs at certain repeatable locations on my drive.
Everyday when I turn the corner from X to Y, I get the static as the
car is moving, but not when stopped at the same corner. And I never
get the static when turning the corner from A to B. If it was power
line, stopping the car wouldn't stop the static. If it is wheel
static, why does it not happen all the time and happen only at certain
locations. It seems as if these certain locations have something
special about the pavement or the water content of the soil or
something. None of that seems likely to me though, I see nothing
changing in the pavement as I drive from an area of static to an area
of non-static. It is not related to stepping on the brake or gas or
shifting gears or going over bumps or any other aspect of the car that
I can tell other than it's speed down the road.
As an experiment, I attached a drag wire under the car. The wire
drags on the ground to discharge any static build up the car. This
made no difference. Another clue, we've had no rain here in a
while. The static all stops during wet weather. Also I am in the
Philadelphia area and the AM station is in the New York area so it is
on the weak side.
I've been a ham for over 30 years and I have a lot of experience with
EMI, but this one has me scratching my head. The wheel static
changes repeatably in different locations for no apparent reason.
It's got to be something to do with the pavement. Anybody have any
experience with this?

Mark

Mark, I came across this article, it may help you.
http://www.k0bg.com/static.html

73
HarryH