On Nov 29, 6:46*pm, wrote:
On Nov 27, 12:58 pm, Art Unwin wrote:

On Nov 25, 11:26 am, Jim Lux wrote:

Jim
IEEE state that if papers were open source it would threaten the
presence of the IEEE?

No.. it's that a significant part of IEEE's budget derives from
publishing copyrighted standards and journals. One argument for the
copyrighting of standards is that it provides a legal club to go after
someone publishing an adulterated version. I'm not sure that really
holds water, but there it is.
The cost of actually printing the journals is significant, and has to
come from somewhere. *They're not exactly huge circulation, and mostly
have no advertising, but are printed on high quality stock with good
quality typesetting.

This statement was in regard to the high costs of obtaining copies
from the IEEE without
having to pay the high costs of belonging .

The cost to get a single copy is quite high compared to the cost to
get access to thousands by being a member (check out those CCC prices
at the bottom of the first page.. they're fairly pricey.. a dozen
papers a year and you've just paid for your membership and access to
Xplore)

*I understand the need for

peer review by academics but not necessarily a private entity
and the IEEE rights to publish such so, are the IEEE demanding SOLE
ownership of presented papers?

IEEE performs a useful function by organizing all those peer reviewers
(finding them, getting the papers to them, haranguing them for their
reviews, etc.).. Being an editor is a lot of work, and is often done
as a labor of love by the editor (or, as "part of your job" in
academe), as is being a decent reviewer. IEEE requests copyright
transfer to them for papers published in their journals for a variety
of reasons, and with a variety of exceptions.
1) Makes sure that you're not publishing the same thing in multiple
places at the same time..
2) If your work was done, e.g., on gov't contract, often, the contract
requires that the paper be public domain, and the IEEE is cool with
that.
3) The author can publish the paper on their own website with an
appropriate disclaimer.

I am assuming that all papers presented by the Universities as well as
thesis papers belong to the parent university
based on a recent antenna patent awarded to a University derived from
a student dissertation.

Not necessarily ("all" is pretty all-encompassing).. A lot depends on
the funding source for the work.

This leaves

*an outstanding question !. If the university a public entity,
reserves the rights of all papers arrived at the university
then what rights do they hold that allows transference from the public
domain of those rights to a private institution to the detriment of
the public
that finance them?

Those rights were never in the public domain to begin with. One might
argue that the underlying idea is in the public domain, but the
written description of has a copyright that belongs to the author
(except for a "work for hire") and the author gets to decide what they
do with it. *And, I would argue that arranging for the publication of
the work in a "learned journal" is a pretty effective way of
disseminating the work to the general public. The fact that IEEE (or
Inst of Physics or AAAS, etc.) get an assignment of copyright as part
of the process is part of the cost of doing that publication. *And
it's a fact that as online publication becomes easier, work IS being
disseminated by these means.

However, one should not disregard the significant value brought to the
process by the formalized peer review system. Yes, it has flaws and
can be (and has been) subverted, but it works moderately well.

Compare to the situation a hundred or two hundred years ago. *I don't
complain that "the system" isn't moving as rapidly as technology might
allow, because the system has a fairly long time constant, which is
actually a good thing, since it prevents rapid whipsawing to follow
fashion. * A printed journal will still be readable 100 or 200 years
from now. *The same cannot necessarily be said of djvu or pdf or tiff
or other elecronic forms.

One should also not complain too loudly about the lack of heritage
journals on line for free. *It costs a LOT to scan thing and put them
online, particularly if they're searchable. *If you could convince
Congress to do it as a service to mankind, that would be a worthy
goal, but for now, someone's got to pay for it.

Regards
Art Unwin

If the paper is under the auspices of the University it belongs to the
University.Period
Same goes for doctorate dissertations plus patent rights if applicable
to disertations.
Since it is a public University I question their rights to with hold
information
from the public at large. This is a great inconvenience to those laid
off,
unemployed that wish to stay up to date while searching for
employment.
To with hold information from the general public can be seen as a
crime against the Country
and there are other ways of obtaining reviews without non revealment
to the public.
Universities already prevent online useage of their technical
libraries but there is not one good reason why
studies paid for by the public taxes should not be placed on the
INTERNET.
To deprive the unemployed, retired, teachers and those under license
by federal authorities in pursuit of
science advancement is a crime against the Country by denying it a
path to a better society.
If there is a need for overview by one's peers then Universities and
education bodies should be able
to handle things for themselves instead providing papers to a private
institution for personal benefits.
It is time for CHANGE in the US where the ability for its people to
access any means that is to the
countries benefit as well as it constituents.If a patent holder or
applicant has no rights with regard to dissemination of his studies
then there is no real need for concealment by public entities
When public papers are handled by those elected by the people the
present professional bodies will have to allow the market to decide
whether there is a place for them
I suppose eventually there will be a request in federal court that
such information must be released for the press or the publiwhich can
be hastened by
informing your Congressman or Senator of the

THEFT OF PUBLIC FUNDS
BY PRIVATE ENTITIES
Art

"Art Unwin" wrote in message
...
THEFT OF PUBLIC FUNDS BY PRIVATE ENTITIES

so go file a criminal complaint... even at 'public' universities not all
research work is paid for by the public. many projects are funded by
private companies and other entities who retain the right to such work and
any patents that may result. now of course most patents are publicly
available, but not all of them... go figure that one out. of course how
much more are you willing to be taxed to support electronic publishing of
everything written at a public university? that service doesn't come for
free, and the sheer volume of that stuff would make it downright expensive.

On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 16:46:13 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Nov 27, 12:58 pm, Art Unwin wrote:
On Nov 25, 11:26 am, Jim Lux wrote:


Jim
IEEE state that if papers were open source it would threaten the
presence of the IEEE?

No.. it's that a significant part of IEEE's budget derives from
publishing copyrighted standards and journals. One argument for the
copyrighting of standards is that it provides a legal club to go after
someone publishing an adulterated version. I'm not sure that really
holds water, but there it is.
The cost of actually printing the journals is significant, and has to
come from somewhere. They're not exactly huge circulation, and mostly
have no advertising, but are printed on high quality stock with good
quality typesetting.

The physical printing costs are actually minimal, distribution costs
more now.



This statement was in regard to the high costs of obtaining copies
from the IEEE without
having to pay the high costs of belonging .

The cost to get a single copy is quite high compared to the cost to
get access to thousands by being a member (check out those CCC prices
at the bottom of the first page.. they're fairly pricey.. a dozen
papers a year and you've just paid for your membership and access to
Xplore)

Just a few years ago i could get physical reprints of articles from
most journals for about $3 each, now electronic reprints cost $20 or
more? I think we all can figure out where the money is going.



I understand the need for
peer review by academics but not necessarily a private entity
and the IEEE rights to publish such so, are the IEEE demanding SOLE
ownership of presented papers?

IEEE performs a useful function by organizing all those peer reviewers
(finding them, getting the papers to them, haranguing them for their
reviews, etc.).. Being an editor is a lot of work, and is often done
as a labor of love by the editor (or, as "part of your job" in
academe), as is being a decent reviewer. IEEE requests copyright
transfer to them for papers published in their journals for a variety
of reasons, and with a variety of exceptions.
1) Makes sure that you're not publishing the same thing in multiple
places at the same time..
2) If your work was done, e.g., on gov't contract, often, the contract
requires that the paper be public domain, and the IEEE is cool with
that.
3) The author can publish the paper on their own website with an
appropriate disclaimer.

I am assuming that all papers presented by the Universities as well as
thesis papers belong to the parent university
based on a recent antenna patent awarded to a University derived from
a student dissertation.

Not necessarily ("all" is pretty all-encompassing).. A lot depends on
the funding source for the work.


This leaves
an outstanding question !. If the university a public entity,
reserves the rights of all papers arrived at the university
then what rights do they hold that allows transference from the public
domain of those rights to a private institution to the detriment of
the public
that finance them?

Those rights were never in the public domain to begin with. One might
argue that the underlying idea is in the public domain, but the
written description of has a copyright that belongs to the author
(except for a "work for hire") and the author gets to decide what they
do with it.

Funny thing about "work for hire", the hiring entity is the one with
any legal rights here in the US. But the NIH for some strange reason
does not assert its rights. The IEEE does not publish work for hire
generally, but charges for submissions.

And, I would argue that arranging for the publication of
the work in a "learned journal" is a pretty effective way of
disseminating the work to the general public. The fact that IEEE (or
Inst of Physics or AAAS, etc.) get an assignment of copyright as part
of the process is part of the cost of doing that publication. And
it's a fact that as online publication becomes easier, work IS being
disseminated by these means.

Yes, but more an more by others, and the academic journals reviewers
are not paid. The other publishers do not do the review so quality
suffers. The old school publishers need to learn that they cannot
just take it all.


However, one should not disregard the significant value brought to the
process by the formalized peer review system. Yes, it has flaws and
can be (and has been) subverted, but it works moderately well.

Compare to the situation a hundred or two hundred years ago. I don't
complain that "the system" isn't moving as rapidly as technology might
allow, because the system has a fairly long time constant, which is
actually a good thing, since it prevents rapid whipsawing to follow
fashion. A printed journal will still be readable 100 or 200 years
from now. The same cannot necessarily be said of djvu or pdf or tiff
or other elecronic forms.

I am not so sure about that. The need for preservable media is being
recognized. It has even been discussed in learned journals.


One should also not complain too loudly about the lack of heritage
journals on line for free. It costs a LOT to scan thing and put them
online, particularly if they're searchable. If you could convince
Congress to do it as a service to mankind, that would be a worthy
goal, but for now, someone's got to pay for it.


Regards
Art Unwin

On Nov 30, 9:29*pm, JosephKK wrote:
On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 16:46:13 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Nov 27, 12:58 pm, Art Unwin wrote:
On Nov 25, 11:26 am, Jim Lux wrote:

Jim
IEEE state that if papers were open source it would threaten the
presence of the IEEE?

No.. it's that a significant part of IEEE's budget derives from
publishing copyrighted standards and journals. One argument for the
copyrighting of standards is that it provides a legal club to go after
someone publishing an adulterated version. I'm not sure that really
holds water, but there it is.
The cost of actually printing the journals is significant, and has to
come from somewhere. *They're not exactly huge circulation, and mostly
have no advertising, but are printed on high quality stock with good
quality typesetting.

The physical printing costs are actually minimal, distribution costs
more now.



This statement was in regard to the high costs of obtaining copies
from the IEEE without
having to pay the high costs of belonging .

The cost to get a single copy is quite high compared to the cost to
get access to thousands by being a member (check out those CCC prices
at the bottom of the first page.. they're fairly pricey.. a dozen
papers a year and you've just paid for your membership and access to
Xplore)

Just a few years ago i could get physical reprints of articles from
most journals for about $3 each, now electronic reprints cost $20 or
more? *I think we all can figure out where the money is going.





I understand the need for
peer review by academics but not necessarily a private entity
and the IEEE rights to publish such so, are the IEEE demanding SOLE
ownership of presented papers?

IEEE performs a useful function by organizing all those peer reviewers
(finding them, getting the papers to them, haranguing them for their
reviews, etc.).. Being an editor is a lot of work, and is often done
as a labor of love by the editor (or, as "part of your job" in
academe), as is being a decent reviewer. IEEE requests copyright
transfer to them for papers published in their journals for a variety
of reasons, and with a variety of exceptions.
1) Makes sure that you're not publishing the same thing in multiple
places at the same time..
2) If your work was done, e.g., on gov't contract, often, the contract
requires that the paper be public domain, and the IEEE is cool with
that.
3) The author can publish the paper on their own website with an
appropriate disclaimer.

I am assuming that all papers presented by the Universities as well as
thesis papers belong to the parent university
based on a recent antenna patent awarded to a University derived from
a student dissertation.

Not necessarily ("all" is pretty all-encompassing).. A lot depends on
the funding source for the work.

This leaves
*an outstanding question !. If the university a public entity,
reserves the rights of all papers arrived at the university
then what rights do they hold that allows transference from the public
domain of those rights to a private institution to the detriment of
the public
that finance them?

Those rights were never in the public domain to begin with. One might
argue that the underlying idea is in the public domain, but the
written description of has a copyright that belongs to the author
(except for a "work for hire") and the author gets to decide what they
do with it.

Funny thing about "work for hire", the hiring entity is the one with
any legal rights here in *the US. *But the NIH for some strange reason
does not assert its rights. *The IEEE does not publish work for hire
generally, but charges for submissions.

*And, I would argue that arranging for the publication of
the work in a "learned journal" is a pretty effective way of
disseminating the work to the general public. The fact that IEEE (or
Inst of Physics or AAAS, etc.) get an assignment of copyright as part
of the process is part of the cost of doing that publication. *And
it's a fact that as online publication becomes easier, work IS being
disseminated by these means.

Yes, but more an more by others, and the academic journals reviewers
are not paid. The other publishers do not do the review so quality
suffers. *The old school publishers need to learn that they cannot
just take it all.



However, one should not disregard the significant value brought to the
process by the formalized peer review system. Yes, it has flaws and
can be (and has been) subverted, but it works moderately well.

Compare to the situation a hundred or two hundred years ago. *I don't
complain that "the system" isn't moving as rapidly as technology might
allow, because the system has a fairly long time constant, which is
actually a good thing, since it prevents rapid whipsawing to follow
fashion. * A printed journal will still be readable 100 or 200 years
from now. *The same cannot necessarily be said of djvu or pdf or tiff
or other elecronic forms.

I am not so sure about that. *The need for preservable media is being
recognized. *It has even been discussed in learned journals.



One should also not complain too loudly about the lack of heritage
journals on line for free. *It costs a LOT to scan thing and put them
online, particularly if they're searchable. *If you could convince
Congress to do it as a service to mankind, that would be a worthy
goal, but for now, someone's got to pay for it.

Regards
Art Unwin

Spoke to my son about this subject as he works for a California
University.
He states that this subject is on a unstoppable role in several states
because of diminishing distribution of papers.
Together with high costs for separate papers that is also diminishing
in demand.and was a money maker
( As jobs are lost so goes the membership costs I suppose)
He said that some Universities are already changing from the old set
up and google is being very agressive about it.
Apparently there is already a group on the net with connections to all
phases of science where you can obtain a
UNPUBLISHED paper for a modest fee so there are new avenues emerging.
Haven't got a policy statement from the local trustees at Champaign
Illinois as yet.
Regards
Art

JosephKK wrote:
On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 16:46:13 -0800 (PST), wrote:

The cost of actually printing the journals is significant, and has to
come from somewhere. They're not exactly huge circulation, and mostly
have no advertising, but are printed on high quality stock with good
quality typesetting.

The physical printing costs are actually minimal, distribution costs
more now.

Say it costs about $0.05/page for offset printing on glossy stock (no
idea if that's right, but it's probably within a factor of 10). A 100
page journal is then $5 in raw production costs, per unit. (and we'll
assuming binding, etc. is included)

But you have to add typography and editing and composition. I'd find it
hard to believe that a complete journal could be set up in less than 100
work hours. So, about $10K.

If the circulation of the journal is 200 copies, then that's another
$10K in repro costs. You're up to $10/issue, before you've distributed
it, maintained the subscriber list, etc. These things all cost money
(been there, provided the service, made a living from it, barely).


Check out what the "print to order" publishers charge. (e.g. Lulu.com)
(100 page, paperback perfect bound is about $5.30, exclusive of shipping)

]


This statement was in regard to the high costs of obtaining copies
from the IEEE without
having to pay the high costs of belonging .
The cost to get a single copy is quite high compared to the cost to
get access to thousands by being a member (check out those CCC prices
at the bottom of the first page.. they're fairly pricey.. a dozen
papers a year and you've just paid for your membership and access to
Xplore)

Just a few years ago i could get physical reprints of articles from
most journals for about $3 each, now electronic reprints cost $20 or
more? I think we all can figure out where the money is going.


I think you'd have to go back quite a ways in time to get to $3/article.
Grabbing a few things on my desk, a 2001 IEEE Proceedings article runs
you $10. A paper in a 2004 Trans Antennas and Prop is $20. A 1982
Proceedings of IEEE paper runs $0.75. Jim Breakall's paper on HF
propagation modeling over mountains in 1994 IEEE Trans A&P is $4.00

Of course, those are just the costs if you photocopy it yourself and
submit the fee to the copyright clearance center.

And, a lot of times, the author of the paper will send you a copy, if
you write and ask. (That's actually one of the fun parts about
publishing.. Getting those post cards from obscure places in the world
10 years later: "Meine geehrte Kollege, bitte schicken Sie mir ....")

Granted if the author is dead or unreachable, that's a challenge.




Funny thing about "work for hire", the hiring entity is the one with
any legal rights here in the US. But the NIH for some strange reason
does not assert its rights.

One would have to look at the specific contracts/grant language, but
I'll bet they require dissemination in something like PubMed these days.
The days of the Principal Investigator keeping their data secret for
decades while they dribble out a paper a year, are dying, if not dead,
at least for publicly funded work.

On NASA missions, there's typically a clause that requires dissemination
of the raw data from an instrument within 6 months, and you're required
to have budgeted for that dissemination in your proposal.


The IEEE does not publish work for hire
generally, but charges for submissions.

Of course the IEEE publishes work for hire. If you work for Boeing,
write a paper, and get it published, Boeing owns the copyright (as work
for hire), and executes a license to IEEE to use it. And they don't
always charge for submissions. My very first published paper (wasn't
with IEEE, as it happens) had the page fees waived, because I was in
high school at the time.

On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 08:51:05 -0800 (PST), Art Unwin
wrote:

Thus you
cannot access it on the net as a member of the public as access is
with held UNLESS
you hand over some money to the IEEE.

Who needs the IEEE? I've found every new design offered - FOR FREE
from the universities! And every one of those "new designs" mentioned
here were worth every penny I spent.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

It sure hasn't taken long for the ability of some people to find
information to contract to the single source of the Internet.

But other sources still exist as they have for a very long time. And
IEEE publications are and always have been available to the public.

A lot of university libraries have IEEE publications which are available
for free viewing. And I have yet to see a library that lacks a way of
copying an article.

Even my humble local library, which lacks even a single decent EE text,
is happy to get any article I specify via an "interlibrary loan". Not
only can I get anything the IEEE has published, but papers from the most
obscure journals as well.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 10:11:38 -0800, Richard Clark
wrote:

On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 08:51:05 -0800 (PST), Art Unwin
wrote:

Thus you
cannot access it on the net as a member of the public as access is
with held UNLESS
you hand over some money to the IEEE.

Who needs the IEEE? I've found every new design offered - FOR FREE
from the universities! And every one of those "new designs" mentioned
here were worth every penny I spent.

Out of curiosity, does that include the IEEE Transactions on Antennas
and Propagation and the IEEE Antenna and Propagation Magazine? I'm
currently debating the merits of re-joining the IEEE mostly to obtain
these publications. In the past, they were literally gold mines of
interesting ideas on antennas. However, like all gold mines, I had to
dig through a considerable amound of rubble and useless garbage to
find the gold. I've seen little of this stuff on university web
piles, except after publication by the IEEE. I drag myself up to UCSC
and borrow a few issues, but I prefer to have them online
(downloadable and searchable) which costs money.

Do I spend the money, or do I seach for your secret horde of free
university publications on antenna design?



--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Jeff Liebermann wrote:

Out of curiosity, does that include the IEEE Transactions on Antennas
and Propagation and the IEEE Antenna and Propagation Magazine? I'm
currently debating the merits of re-joining the IEEE mostly to obtain
these publications. In the past, they were literally gold mines of
interesting ideas on antennas. However, like all gold mines, I had to
dig through a considerable amound of rubble and useless garbage to
find the gold. I've seen little of this stuff on university web
piles, except after publication by the IEEE. I drag myself up to UCSC
and borrow a few issues, but I prefer to have them online
(downloadable and searchable) which costs money.

Do I spend the money, or do I seach for your secret horde of free
university publications on antenna design?

A lot of universities have Transactions for most of the societies like A
& P as well as the Proceedings. IEEE members get free access to online
Proceedings and all past issues of Transactions for all societies they
belong to. For example, if you're a member of Antennas and Propagation,
you can access online any paper in any issue of the Transactions on
Antennas & Propagation. The incremental cost for joining a society is
modest -- A & P is $36.00 per year once you're an IEEE member. (I think
you can get Trans. on A & P or others without joining, but at a much
higher price.) I just renewed my membership and joined the Microwave
Theory & Techniques Society for only an additional $14.00. Now I'll have
online access to all the past Transactions for that group.

Incidentally, anyone can purchase and download any individual IEEE paper
online for around $20. A lot of other organizations like the IEE (U.K.),
physics societies, etc. have a similar offer. I've gone this route a
number of times when it was worth it to me to avoid the hassle of going
downtown to the university library or waiting for an interlibrary transfer.

If you're used to looking at A & P transactions from the '40s through
the '60s, you'll probably be disappointed with current issues. Research
has always concentrated on where the money is, and now it's coming from
much different industries than it was a few decades ago. Samplings from
the current issue: "Synthesized-Reference-Wave Holography for
Determining Antenna Radiation Characteristics" and "Parallel In-Core and
Out-of-Core Solution of Electrically Large Problems Using the RWG Basis
Functions". No Brown, Lewis, and Epstein papers, those! But there was an
interesting paper on putting RFID tags on explosive ordnance as a
possible way to locate it when unexploded and buried, and a short paper
on coax loss.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:47:48 -0800, Roy Lewallen
wrote:

Jeff Liebermann wrote:

Out of curiosity, does that include the IEEE Transactions on Antennas
and Propagation and the IEEE Antenna and Propagation Magazine? I'm
currently debating the merits of re-joining the IEEE mostly to obtain
these publications. In the past, they were literally gold mines of
interesting ideas on antennas. However, like all gold mines, I had to
dig through a considerable amound of rubble and useless garbage to
find the gold. I've seen little of this stuff on university web
piles, except after publication by the IEEE. I drag myself up to UCSC
and borrow a few issues, but I prefer to have them online
(downloadable and searchable) which costs money.

Do I spend the money, or do I seach for your secret horde of free
university publications on antenna design?

A lot of universities have Transactions for most of the societies like A
& P as well as the Proceedings. IEEE members get free access to online
Proceedings and all past issues of Transactions for all societies they
belong to.

It's the ability to search and download proceedings, reports, and
articles that interest me. I do that now at the local multiversity
(UCSC) but there are problems. However, there are problems. Since
I'm not an alumnus, teacher, or employee, the annual cost is about 1/3
of an IEEE membership plus 2 IEEE society memberships. In addition,
some items of interest are not available off campus. The local
library has access, but that requires a pilgrimage to the library
every time I want something. As long as my reading requirements were
minimal, a few trips to the library or paying for individual papers
was cheaper than IEEE membership.

The current economics a
IEEE membership: $169/yr
A & P membership: $24/yr
I couldn't find the current costs of the various printed transactions
and magazines. My guess is at least $40/yr.
With only downloaded issues, that's about $200/yr or $17/month. I
value my working time at about $75/hr. If joining saves me 3 hours of
time, it's break even. That's about how much time I waste on just one
trip to the local university, so I guess membership is justified.
http://www.ieee.org/web/membership/Cost/dues.html
http://www.ict.csiro.au/aps/
http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/RecentIssue.jsp?punumber=8

What go my attention and inspired my questions was the alleged free
availability of antenna design articles from various secret university
archives. I've found a few, but nothing compared to the online IEEE
A&P collection.

For example, if you're a member of Antennas and Propagation,
you can access online any paper in any issue of the Transactions on
Antennas & Propagation. The incremental cost for joining a society is
modest -- A & P is $36.00 per year once you're an IEEE member. (I think
you can get Trans. on A & P or others without joining, but at a much
higher price.)

I haven't checked the current numbers but last time I checked, the
annual subscription price was exactly the same as joining the IEEE.
I'm sure that was planned.

I just renewed my membership and joined the Microwave
Theory & Techniques Society for only an additional $14.00. Now I'll have
online access to all the past Transactions for that group.

Hmmm.... I hadn't heard of that group. So many groups, no little
time.

Incidentally, anyone can purchase and download any individual IEEE paper
online for around $20. A lot of other organizations like the IEE (U.K.),
physics societies, etc. have a similar offer. I've gone this route a
number of times when it was worth it to me to avoid the hassle of going
downtown to the university library or waiting for an interlibrary transfer.

I'd forgotten about the wait, which requires two trips to the library.
I ordered several articles from the local library. Apparently, it's a
common thing, costs nothing, and is fairly simple. All the articles
and abstracts are easily searchable on the IEEE web pile, so obtaining
the necessary identification was trivial. What I didn't expect was
that to save the library some money, they only ordered such transfers
on Tuesdays and only delivered perhaps a week later. There was no
charge for hard copy, but an extra charge for having it delivered on a
CDROM, which methinks seems backwards. This was about 2 years ago,
and I haven't done it since.

If you're used to looking at A & P transactions from the '40s through
the '60s, you'll probably be disappointed with current issues. Research
has always concentrated on where the money is, and now it's coming from
much different industries than it was a few decades ago. Samplings from
the current issue: "Synthesized-Reference-Wave Holography for
Determining Antenna Radiation Characteristics" and "Parallel In-Core and
Out-of-Core Solution of Electrically Large Problems Using the RWG Basis
Functions". No Brown, Lewis, and Epstein papers, those! But there was an
interesting paper on putting RFID tags on explosive ordnance as a
possible way to locate it when unexploded and buried, and a short paper
on coax loss.

Sigh. Such esoteric and obscure research pays the bills and feeds the
academics, but also adds considerable clutter. My areas of interest
is probably considered equally narrow and arcane. With a suitable
search engine and filter, I can live with it.

Actually, the current issue doesn't look that horrible:
http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/tocresult.jsp?isYear=2008&isnumber=4685873&Submit3 2=Go+To+Issue
For example "Internal Coupled-Fed Shorted Monopole Antenna for
GSM850/900/1800/1900/UMTS Operation in the Laptop Computer" appears to
genuinely useful.

Incidentally, there are "delayed" RFID tags of sorts, that use long
term chemical action on the chip or PCB, to activate its operation
after a pre-determined interval. Basically, the chip arrives shorted,
and the short disappears over time. The logic is that RFID can be
used to locate unexploded mines and ordinance after the battle or war
is finished, but not during the action.

Thanks much...

Roy Lewallen, W7EL
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