Richard Fry wrote:
On Jan 1, 11:21 am, wrote:
I haven't really given this much thought, but seems to me the
low angle radiation that does reach the ionosphere and would
be useful for very long ranges would be considered the lower angles
of the space wave, and would be separate from the ground or surface
wave...

I totally agree. That is the point I have been trying to make:
radiation from low elevation angles is not attenuated virtually to
zero before it reaches the ionosphere.

RF

I'm completely confused about the point you were trying to make. You
called NEC results "misleading" when showing only "far field" (sky wave,
without surface wave) results, and implied that the surface wave must be
considered when determining skip performance. Are you now agreeing that
it correctly shows the amount of radiation at low angles which is
capable of reaching the ionosphere? If so, what's misleading about it?
Or are you saying that the field strength capable of reaching the
ionosphere at low angles is greater than NEC "far field" (sky wave)
analysis reports? And if so, how much greater and why?

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

On Jan 1, 3:46*pm, Roy Lewallen wrote:

I'm completely confused about the point you were trying to make.
You called NEC results "misleading" when showing only "far field"
(sky wave, without surface wave) results, and implied that the
surface wave must be considered when determining skip per-
formance.

No, I did not write that the surface wave must be considered when
determining skywave performance. Your understanding of what I posted
is incorrect. Please re-read what I posted previously, and quote us
any of my text that you believe supports your present conclusion about
this.

Do you reject the data in the Terman and Laport plots I linked to
showing that the most distant, single-hop skywave coverage over a
real, curved earth originates from space wave radiation at very low
elevation angles (less than 5 degrees above the horizontal plane at
the transmit antenna site)?

Are you now agreeing that it (far-field NEC) correctly shows the
amount of radiation at low angles which is capable of reaching
the ionosphere?

Absolutely not, and I am rather surprised that, apparently,
you believe and support this concept.

RF