Maximum Antenna Height on a Vehicle
I have always heard that "13 feet, 6 inches" is a standard for the maximum
height of an antenna mounted on a vehicle. However, I cannot find a credible source on the web verifying this "fact". NHTSA, DOT, don't seem to have such an antenna regulation on their respective web sites. I am not the most skillful user of Google, but my searches have sure not turned up a reference to this magic number on any authoritative site. Perhaps there is no national standard, only 50 separate state standards, and the state with the lowest height limit would then become the 'national standard'?? |
Maximum Antenna Height on a Vehicle
On May 17, 11:41*pm, "Al Lorona" wrote:
I have always heard that "13 feet, 6 inches" is a standard for the maximum height of an antenna mounted on a vehicle. However, I cannot find a credible source on the web verifying this "fact".. NHTSA, DOT, don't seem to have such an antenna regulation on their respective web sites. I am not the most skillful user of Google, but my searches have sure not turned up a reference to this magic number on any authoritative site. Perhaps there is no national standard, only 50 separate state standards, and the state with the lowest height limit would then become the 'national standard'?? Maybe for interstates but I have seen some overpasses that were lower than that. Jimmie |
Maximum Antenna Height on a Vehicle
On May 17, 8:41*pm, "Al Lorona" wrote:
I have always heard that "13 feet, 6 inches" is a standard for the maximum height of an antenna mounted on a vehicle. However, I cannot find a credible source on the web verifying this "fact".. NHTSA, DOT, don't seem to have such an antenna regulation on their respective web sites. I am not the most skillful user of Google, but my searches have sure not turned up a reference to this magic number on any authoritative site. Perhaps there is no national standard, only 50 separate state standards, and the state with the lowest height limit would then become the 'national standard'?? It's not a rule about antennas per se, it's maximum height of vehicle. In California, it's 14 ft (with some special exceptions). CVC 35250. No vehicle or load shall exceed a height of 14 feet measured from the surface upon which the vehicle stands, except that a double-deck bus may not exceed a height of 14 feet, 3 inches. Any vehicle or load which exceeds a height of 13 feet, 6 inches, shall only be operated on those highways where deemed to be safe by the owner of the vehicle or the entity operating the bus. There's also a federal rule for interstate highways that, in effect, says that if your vehicle is less than 14 ft high and 8 ft wide, it will fit on all interstate highways (if there's a low bridge, you'll have the get off and go around path marked. CVC 35100. (a) The total outside width of any vehicle or its load shall not exceed 102 inches, except as otherwise provided in this chapter. (b) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, safety devices which the Secretary of Transportation determines to be necessary for the safe and efficient operation of motor vehicles shall not be included in the calculation of width as specified in subdivision (a). (c) Any city or county may, by ordinance, prohibit a combination of vehicles of a total width in excess of 96 inches upon highways under its jurisdiction. The ordinance shall not be effective until appropriate signs are erected indicating the streets affected |
Maximum Antenna Height on a Vehicle
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Al Lorona wrote: I have always heard that "13 feet, 6 inches" is a standard for the maximum height of an antenna mounted on a vehicle. However, I cannot find a credible source on the web verifying this "fact". NHTSA, DOT, don't seem to have such an antenna regulation on their respective web sites. I am not the most skillful user of Google, but my searches have sure not turned up a reference to this magic number on any authoritative site. Perhaps there is no national standard, only 50 separate state standards, and the state with the lowest height limit would then become the 'national standard'?? I don't think there's a maximum antenna height, per se. However, there are some standards for the minimum heights of bridges and other overpasses. Take a look at http://wwwcf.fhwa.dot.gov/legsregs/d...pg/0625sup.htm Specifically, section 7A specifies that sections of the Interstate in rural areas must have a clear height of not less than 16 feet, while some Interstate routes in urban areas can be as low as 14 feet. I believe that the "13-and-a-fraction foot" height is intended to ensure that the vehicle can pass along all conforming Interstate routes without hitting anything... it's a comfortable margin below the 14-foot urban minimum. I've heard "13 feet 9 inches" as well as the "13 feet 6 inches" figure you mention. There are some exceptions: Interstate overpasses below the specified minima. See http://www.aitaonline.com/Info/Low Clearances.html for lists. -- Dave Platt AE6EO Friends of Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads! |
Maximum Antenna Height on a Vehicle
Al Lorona wrote:
... and the state with the lowest height limit would then become the 'national standard'?? The maximum allowable height rule for the CA mobile shootouts that I attended was 12.5 feet from the ground. Don't know if that's the CA limit or not. -- 73, Cecil, IEEE, OOTC, http://www.w5dxp.com |
Maximum Antenna Height on a Vehicle
13'6" sounds close. If I needed to know I'd check the maximum height of a
semi-trailer on the hiways and it's probably a standard for a least 48 states. "Al Lorona" wrote in message ... I have always heard that "13 feet, 6 inches" is a standard for the maximum height of an antenna mounted on a vehicle. However, I cannot find a credible source on the web verifying this "fact". NHTSA, DOT, don't seem to have such an antenna regulation on their respective web sites. I am not the most skillful user of Google, but my searches have sure not turned up a reference to this magic number on any authoritative site. Perhaps there is no national standard, only 50 separate state standards, and the state with the lowest height limit would then become the 'national standard'?? |
Maximum Antenna Height on a Vehicle
Cecil Moore wrote:
Al Lorona wrote: ... and the state with the lowest height limit would then become the 'national standard'?? The maximum allowable height rule for the CA mobile shootouts that I attended was 12.5 feet from the ground. Don't know if that's the CA limit or not. CA limit is 14 ft (unless you have a "moving permit") Pilot cars can have a measuring device that's taller, as long as they don't go slower than 20mi/hr below the speed limit. (presumably this is in connection with the moving permit for the oversize load that's following. Your friendly local CHP office will work out the route for you.. |
Maximum Antenna Height on a Vehicle
"Dave Platt" wrote in message ... In article , Take a look at http://wwwcf.fhwa.dot.gov/legsregs/d...pg/0625sup.htm Thanks, Dave, for the exact reference sites. They were helpful. And thanks to all the others for their replies. I think it's clear that finding one number-- one right answer-- is difficult. I just called the California Highway Patrol office in Altadena and found that there really is no right answer. The guy at the front desk said that the "consensus" in the office was 14 feet. And of course he was speaking only for California. He said that there's no separate regulation for antennas, only the number for total vehicle height. There seems to be no urgency on the part of the CHP to refer to a vehicle code to enforce the height. As you saw, the replies to my post ranged from 12.5 to 14 feet. It surprises me that the standard deviation implied by this spread is that large. All in all, this has been very surprising. Thinking about it some more, perhaps the limiting factor becomes not bridges and overpasses, but fast food drive-thrus and gas station roofs. |
Maximum Antenna Height on a Vehicle
Al Lorona wrote:
I just called the California Highway Patrol office in Altadena and found that there really is no right answer. For one of the CA 75m shootouts that I prepared for, I had a white PVC pipe extending up about 9 feet from the tool box on my pickup. I was stopped by a Maricopa County deputy sheriff who tried to give me a ticket for violating some height limit. I demanded that he put the law section number that I was violating, on my ticket. After spending about an hour on his radio, he couldn't do it and let me go. To be truthful, I had outrun this guy on my Z1B Kawasaki motorcycle and he was itching to give me a ticket. :-) -- 73, Cecil, IEEE, OOTC, http://www.w5dxp.com |
Maximum Antenna Height on a Vehicle
Al Lorona wrote:
"Dave Platt" wrote in message ... In article , Take a look at http://wwwcf.fhwa.dot.gov/legsregs/d...pg/0625sup.htm Thanks, Dave, for the exact reference sites. They were helpful. And thanks to all the others for their replies. I think it's clear that finding one number-- one right answer-- is difficult. I just called the California Highway Patrol office in Altadena and found that there really is no right answer. The guy at the front desk said that the "consensus" in the office was 14 feet. And of course he was speaking only for California. He said that there's no separate regulation for antennas, only the number for total vehicle height. There seems to be no urgency on the part of the CHP to refer to a vehicle code to enforce the height. As you saw, the replies to my post ranged from 12.5 to 14 feet. It surprises me that the standard deviation implied by this spread is that large. All in all, this has been very surprising. Thinking about it some more, perhaps the limiting factor becomes not bridges and overpasses, but fast food drive-thrus and gas station roofs. And parking structures. Don't even think about going to Vegas with an antenna much over 8 feet tall unless you plan on parking in the back 40 with the RV's. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
Maximum Antenna Height on a Vehicle
On Mon, 18 May 2009 11:09:13 -0700, "Al Lorona"
wrote: There seems to be no urgency on the part of the CHP to refer to a vehicle code to enforce the height. Depending on structural integrity, that would be self-enforcing, wouldn't it? From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interst...hway_standards Vertical clearance. Minimum vertical clearance under overhead structures (including over the paved shoulders) of 16 ft (4.9 m) in rural areas and 14 ft (4.3 m) in urban areas, with allowance for extra layers of pavement. Through urban areas at least one routing should have 16 ft (4.9 m) clearances. Sign supports and pedestrian overpasses must be at least 17 ft (5.1 m) above the road, except on urban routes with lesser clearance, where they should be at least 1 ft (0.3 m) higher than other objects. Vertical clearance on through truss bridges is to be at least 17 ft (5.1 m). 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC |
Maximum Antenna Height on a Vehicle
Al Lorona wrote:
Thanks, Dave, for the exact reference sites. They were helpful. And thanks to all the others for their replies. I think it's clear that finding one number-- one right answer-- is difficult. I just called the California Highway Patrol office in Altadena and found that there really is no right answer. The guy at the front desk said that the "consensus" in the office was 14 feet. And of course he was speaking only for California. He said that there's no separate regulation for antennas, only the number for total vehicle height. There seems to be no urgency on the part of the CHP to refer to a vehicle code to enforce the height. As you saw, the replies to my post ranged from 12.5 to 14 feet. It surprises me that the standard deviation implied by this spread is that large. All in all, this has been very surprising. Thinking about it some more, perhaps the limiting factor becomes not bridges and overpasses, but fast food drive-thrus and gas station roofs. The very clear thing, at least here in Minnesota, is if you break it, you bought it. A rig towing a large piece of equipment was a bit too tall and struck an overpass on one of the I94 bypasses. Their insurance company bought a nice new 4 lane overpass that traversed the 6 lane bypass. Not cheap. tom K0TAR |
Maximum Antenna Height on a Vehicle
On Mon, 18 May 2009 11:09:13 -0700, Al Lorona wrote:
Thinking about it some more, perhaps the limiting factor becomes not bridges and overpasses, but fast food drive-thrus and gas station roofs. I can still remember my dad (the first W3DHJ) telling the story of the night back in 1952 when he had to buy seven 8' fluorescent lamps at a gas station somewhere outside Pasco, Wash. The maximum height for _my_ mobile antennas is 7' 1". My garage door is at 7' 2" and I know someday I'll blissfully drive into the garage someday with the 6M Halo mounted. Jonesy W3DHJ -- Marvin L Jones | jonz | W3DHJ | linux 38.24N 104.55W | @ config.com | Jonesy | OS/2 * Killfiling google & XXXXbanter.com: jonz.net/ng.htm |
Maximum Antenna Height on a Vehicle
On May 18, 9:18*pm, Allodoxaphobia wrote:
On Mon, 18 May 2009 11:09:13 -0700, Al Lorona wrote: Thinking about it some more, perhaps the limiting factor becomes not bridges and overpasses, but fast food drive-thrus and gas station roofs. I can still remember my dad (the first W3DHJ) telling the story of the night back in 1952 when he had to buy seven 8' fluorescent lamps at a gas station somewhere outside Pasco, Wash. The maximum height for _my_ mobile antennas is 7' 1". *My garage door is at 7' 2" and I know someday I'll blissfully drive into the garage someday with the 6M Halo mounted. Jonesy W3DHJ -- * Marvin L Jones * *| jonz * * * * *| W3DHJ *| linux * *38.24N *104.55W *| *@ config.com | Jonesy | *OS/2 * * * Killfiling google & XXXXbanter.com: jonz.net/ng.htm I did that atanold abandoned gas station one night when I oulled under the canopy to get out of a storm. It didnt look like I was the first to do it. Jimmie |
Maximum Antenna Height on a Vehicle
wrote in message ... Al Lorona wrote: "Dave Platt" wrote in message ... In article , Take a look at http://wwwcf.fhwa.dot.gov/legsregs/d...pg/0625sup.htm Thanks, Dave, for the exact reference sites. They were helpful. And thanks to all the others for their replies. I think it's clear that finding one number-- one right answer-- is difficult. I just called the California Highway Patrol office in Altadena and found that there really is no right answer. The guy at the front desk said that the "consensus" in the office was 14 feet. And of course he was speaking only for California. He said that there's no separate regulation for antennas, only the number for total vehicle height. There seems to be no urgency on the part of the CHP to refer to a vehicle code to enforce the height. .. Don't even think about going to Vegas with an antenna much over 8 feet tall unless you plan on parking in the back 40 with the RV's. I drive my Dodge Caravan to Las Vegas and my little MFJ dual-band mag mount hits the overhead in some parking structures. I sometimes remember to unscrew the element on the way in. Fast food joints often have a pipe hanging on chains as a noisy warning that _something_ won't clear their building. |
Maximum Antenna Height on a Vehicle
Sal M. Onella wrote:
Fast food joints often have a pipe hanging on chains as a noisy warning that _something_ won't clear their building. OTOH, they often have a low awning over the drive through window with no warning of the low height. -- 73, Cecil, IEEE, OOTC, http://www.w5dxp.com |
Maximum Antenna Height on a Vehicle
On May 18, 1:28*pm, Cecil Moore wrote:
For one of the CA 75m shootouts that I prepared for, I had a white PVC pipe extending up about 9 feet from the tool box on my pickup. On the truck with the highest antenna mount, "64 inches from the ground", my 11 ft tall antenna is 16.3 inches at the tip. In the parked mode with the extra 3 ft mast extension, it's at 19.3 inches. And the loading coil is 8 ft above the base. The other truck has a lower mount which is maybe 1.5-2 ft lower at the base of the antenna. It's mount is on top of the utility bed side tops which are tool boxes, and fairly wide. The first truck has the mount up on the cab just a few inches below the roof. But.. I've been trying to sell that truck.. :( But I could place the mount at the same place on the other one if I really wanted to. I might once the other one is gone. One thing.. my antenna sways back a bit at speed, so I can clear objects lower than the actual antenna height if I'm going fast enough. The most seen problem is whacking trees in residential areas.. I have the mount on the drivers side, and I still have to dodge some of the trees. Some I can't dodge, so I hear the "whack".. But the top 5 ft is thin flexible whip, so no big deal. I don't think I've ever noticed hitting a bridge or overpass. I've still been too chicken to try to mount an antenna on my Corolla... Not too many ways to go, and most all of them will end up buggering up the car before it's over with. :( |
Maximum Antenna Height on a Vehicle
On May 18, 11:09*am, "Al Lorona" wrote:
"Dave Platt" wrote in message ... In article , Take a look at *http://wwwcf.fhwa.dot.gov/legsregs/d...pg/0625sup.htm Thanks, Dave, for the exact reference sites. They were helpful. And thanks to all the others for their replies. I think it's clear that finding one number-- one right answer-- is difficult. I just called the California Highway Patrol office in Altadena and found that there really is no right answer. The guy at the front desk said that the "consensus" in the office was 14 feet. And of course he was speaking only for California. He said that there's no separate regulation for antennas, only the number for total vehicle height. There seems to be no urgency on the part of the CHP to refer to a vehicle code to enforce the height. As you saw, the replies to my post ranged from 12.5 to 14 feet. It surprises me that the standard deviation implied by this spread is that large. All in all, this has been very surprising. Thinking about it some more, perhaps the limiting factor becomes not bridges and overpasses, but fast food drive-thrus and gas station roofs. very much true, Al. Bent more than one antenna bracket forgetting about the 9 foot stalk poking up. |
Maximum Antenna Height on a Vehicle
On May 19, 6:51*am, wrote:
On May 18, 11:09*am, "Al Lorona" wrote: "Dave Platt" wrote in message ... In article , Take a look at *http://wwwcf.fhwa.dot.gov/legsregs/d...pg/0625sup.htm Thanks, Dave, for the exact reference sites. They were helpful. And thanks to all the others for their replies. I think it's clear that finding one number-- one right answer-- is difficult. I just called the California Highway Patrol office in Altadena and found that there really is no right answer. The guy at the front desk said that the "consensus" in the office was 14 feet. And of course he was speaking only for California. He said that there's no separate regulation for antennas, only the number for total vehicle height. There seems to be no urgency on the part of the CHP to refer to a vehicle code to enforce the height. As you saw, the replies to my post ranged from 12.5 to 14 feet. It surprises me that the standard deviation implied by this spread is that large. All in all, this has been very surprising. Thinking about it some more, perhaps the limiting factor becomes not bridges and overpasses, but fast food drive-thrus and gas station roofs. very much true, Al. *Bent more than one antenna bracket forgetting about the 9 foot stalk poking up. One other thing to think about, what with all the quotes from the federal standards.. The states don't have to follow the standards for ALL roads. A state can say "on federal highways the limit is X, but on all other roads it's Y (where YX)". For that matter, in some states, local municipalities can set different limits. This makes for nice revenue enhancement opportunities. "Well son, here in X, the limit for semi trucks is 15 feet, but for funny looking antennas on cars with funny license plates, it's 8 feet. Please step out of the car and keep your hands in plain sight." A friend ran into this distinction (except for it being width) in, I think, Nebraska (somewhere in the great plains)... Federal standards are 108 inches, local rule is 96.. and there are difference in whether you count rear view mirrors. If only he had stayed on the interstate. |
Maximum Antenna Height on a Vehicle
All of which means it is a good idea to have a pulley system to both guy a
long antenna and quickly retract it like you see on mil vehicles. I have had to go out and remove an 800 spike when entering parking garages, so it is a good idea to make those mounts easily accessable. I like to put them where I can reach them from the driver or passenger door. KNOW YOUR CLEARANCE! I often use an old expendable CB whip for HF reception and go out and swap antennas when I want to get on the air. |
Maximum Antenna Height on a Vehicle
"Cecil Moore" wrote in message ... Sal M. Onella wrote: Fast food joints often have a pipe hanging on chains as a noisy warning that _something_ won't clear their building. OTOH, they often have a low awning over the drive through window with no warning of the low height. -- 73, Cecil, IEEE, OOTC, http://www.w5dxp.com Yeah, I've seen it that way, too. Years ago, I manged to run the right front corner of my pickup camper into an overhanging tree branch. No, not at 2AM with a snootful. It was noontime and I was pulling out a parking space in front of the post office. That tree would have been an antenna-killer. |
Maximum Antenna Height on a Vehicle
My bugcatcher is way taller than the interstate limit.
I tie it off at the top, and have a knotted string that I can pull and hook onto the coat hook inside the car. I let go of it when I stop, and pull down to drive. Oddly enough it seems to work well enough while pulled down too. - 73 de Mike N3LI - |
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