On Sep 24, 12:27Â*pm, Szczepan BiaÅ‚ek wrote:
"Cecil Moore" ... Szczepan Bia³ek wrote:
Even famous Pointing vector was born in fluids by Umov.

It's "Poynting" vector, named after John Henry Poynting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poynting_vector

"The Umov-Poynting vector[6] discovered by Nikolay Umov in 1874 describes
energy flux in liquid and elastic media in a completely generalized view."

Poynting "discovered" it in 1884.
"He was the developer and eponym of the Poynting vector, which describes the
direction and magnitude of electromagnetic energy flow and is used in the
Poynting theorem, a statement about energy conservation for electric and
magnetic fields. This work was first published in 1884. "

The same is with Maxwell math. Helmholtz wrote such for his whirls.
Many people are thinking in the same time about the same think.
I am not alone in the "Acoustic analogy".
S*
You are correct in your analysis on transmission lines and radiation
and also with your linkage to other sciences such as water flow,
lamina make up.
Einstein made the connection to the standard model and it's four
forces. These are in constant use in our Universe so yes the
mathematics are intertwined. But there are many things we do not
understand about electricity and magnetics such as the fields that are
generated consist of.......what? Mass, elastic energy e.t.c?
So at this point it would be futile to rid yourself of EM as you would
also be ridding yourself
of 1/4 of the Standard model which has not entered the Universe as a
garbage thing.
To join the mathematics as applied by the Standard model to sciences
of the Universe is very idealistic but doable. But at the same time
mathematics has lead us to this present stage with respect to
radiation where with all the tools that scientists have now have not
been able to close gaps in radiation as we know it to this day. Look
at radiation and try to connect it to light and heat emmisions. The
last two science see them as rays, For
radiation ala antennas it is seen as waves, magnetic waves when we
know that intersections of such create distortions, deflections and
even cancellation. So why not begin with one of these problems from
first principles to find a single opening of contention to build a new
theory upon. The odds are that the required evidence is already out
there
where it is constituted on both mathematics and observation thru the
ages rather than something that popped out of a computer where you
have to do all the observations from scratch as to where this new
formula fits in. Since you are looking at acoustics why not start with
PV=WRT
which actually consists of forces stated in the standard model and
thus force
constituents of all the sciences, a treasure chest of guide lines and
information. You are searching for the new where all on this group
resist change from the old. Your treasure chest does not lie here only
minefieldsand decaying sign posts.
Regards

On Sep 24, 3:21Â*pm, Art Unwin wrote
to confirm the posts of Szczepan Białek (a.k.a."S*" ):

You are correct in your analysis on transmission lines and radiation...

That may be your opinion, Art.

S* may find it supportive.

But if you hope that anyone else will accept your opinion, you will
need to provide the literal proof of such using the known, and proven
principles of physics.

RF

"Art Unwin" wrote
...
On Sep 24, 12:27 pm, Szczepan Białek wrote:
"Cecil Moore"
... Szczepan Bia³ek wrote:
Even famous Pointing vector was born in fluids by Umov.

It's "Poynting" vector, named after John Henry Poynting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poynting_vector

"The Umov-Poynting vector[6] discovered by Nikolay Umov in 1874 describes
energy flux in liquid and elastic media in a completely generalized view."

Poynting "discovered" it in 1884.
"He was the developer and eponym of the Poynting vector, which describes
the
direction and magnitude of electromagnetic energy flow and is used in the
Poynting theorem, a statement about energy conservation for electric and
magnetic fields. This work was first published in 1884. "

The same is with Maxwell math. Helmholtz wrote such for his whirls.
Many people are thinking in the same time about the same think.
I am not alone in the "Acoustic analogy".
S*
You are correct in your analysis on transmission lines and radiation
and also with your linkage to other sciences such as water flow,
lamina make up.
Einstein made the connection to the standard model and it's four
forces. These are in constant use in our Universe so yes the
mathematics are intertwined. But there are many things we do not
understand about electricity and magnetics such as the fields that are
generated consist of.......what? Mass, elastic energy e.t.c?
So at this point it would be futile to rid yourself of EM as you would
also be ridding yourself
of 1/4 of the Standard model which has not entered the Universe as a
garbage thing.
To join the mathematics as applied by the Standard model to sciences
of the Universe is very idealistic but doable. But at the same time
mathematics has lead us to this present stage with respect to
radiation where with all the tools that scientists have now have not
been able to close gaps in radiation as we know it to this day. Look
at radiation and try to connect it to light and heat emmisions. The
last two science see them as rays, For
radiation ala antennas it is seen as waves, magnetic waves when we
know that intersections of such create distortions, deflections and
even cancellation. So why not begin with one of these problems from
first principles to find a single opening of contention to build a new
theory upon. The odds are that the required evidence is already out
there
where it is constituted on both mathematics and observation thru the
ages rather than something that popped out of a computer where you
have to do all the observations from scratch as to where this new
formula fits in. Since you are looking at acoustics why not start with
PV=WRT
which actually consists of forces stated in the standard model and
thus force
constituents of all the sciences, a treasure chest of guide lines and
information. You are searching for the new where all on this group
resist change from the old.

They are the practicians. They know the evidences. Only teachers "resist
change from the old."
I know evidences about the Gas analogy from the pneumonic control systems
and many others branches.
Now I am collecting the evidences from the radio waves people that the
voltage radiate not current. I pick-up a lot.

Your treasure chest does not lie here only
minefieldsand decaying sign posts.

Regards
S*