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Has anyone else noticed that the Prudential commercial
on TV is sending SMS instead of SOS? -- 73, Cecil, IEEE, OOTC, http://www.w5dxp.com |
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On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:28:15 -0600, Cecil Moore
wrote: Has anyone else noticed that the Prudential commercial on TV is sending SMS instead of SOS? Which commercial? There's quite a collection of Prudential TV commercials on YouTube, but I can't tell which one. -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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Cecil Moore wrote: Has anyone else noticed that the Prudential commercial on TV is sending SMS instead of SOS? I recall that decades ago, there was an FCC prohibition against the inclusion of the SOS pro-signal in commercial radio and television broadcasts. You weren't supposed to ever transmit this signal unless you were actually in distress. TV shows would either just *refer* to their being an SOS in progress, or would transit some other Morse code signal as a substitute, or both. I remember one Star Trek episode in which the substitute signal was actually a very-low-speed FSK signal (high and low tones, about an octave apart). I don't know whether the legal prohibition against transmitting SOS on commercial radio/TV still exists today, or whether it was dropped during the big deregulation. -- Dave Platt AE6EO Friends of Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads! |
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Dave Platt wrote:
I don't know whether the legal prohibition against transmitting SOS on commercial radio/TV still exists today, or whether it was dropped during the big deregulation. Yes, it was dropped a long time ago. To answer another posting at the same time, the brand of cell phones is Nokia. The default SMS alert is the morse code SMS. BTW, it was never SOS as three seperate letters, the official distress call ___ was SOS (written with a line over it) the three letters run together such as we do for SK. It was in marine use preceded with a long dash (I'm not a marine operator so I don't know how long) to trigger automated monitoring equipment, but that was a relatively modern invention. (1950's??) That way words like Sosnow (the name of my high school auto shop teacher) would not cause a problem. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM |
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Bert Hyman wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote: Has anyone else noticed that the Prudential commercial on TV is sending SMS instead of SOS? I guess I've never seen that commercial, so I don't know if that makes any sense in its context. On the screen is a dot-dot-dot, dash-dash-dash, dot-dot-dot. But the sound is di-di-dit, dah-dah, di-di-dit. -- 73, Cecil, IEEE, OOTC, http://www.w5dxp.com |
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Jeff Liebermann wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote: Has anyone else noticed that the Prudential commercial on TV is sending SMS instead of SOS? Which commercial? There's quite a collection of Prudential TV commercials on YouTube, but I can't tell which one. http://www.smartbrief.com/news/aaaa/...2-6B6C4495A79A -- 73, Cecil, IEEE, OOTC, http://www.w5dxp.com |
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Jeff Liebermann wrote:
Which commercial? There's quite a collection of Prudential TV commercials on YouTube, but I can't tell which one. Referenced on the commercial: http://www.prudential.com/b2b -- 73, Cecil, IEEE, OOTC, http://www.w5dxp.com |
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"Geoffrey S. Mendelson" wrote in message ... Dave Platt wrote: I don't know whether the legal prohibition against transmitting SOS on commercial radio/TV still exists today, or whether it was dropped during the big deregulation. Yes, it was dropped a long time ago. To answer another posting at the same time, the brand of cell phones is Nokia. The default SMS alert is the morse code SMS. BTW, it was never SOS as three seperate letters, the official distress call ___ was SOS (written with a line over it) the three letters run together such as we do for SK. It was in marine use preceded with a long dash (I'm not a marine operator so I don't know how long) to trigger automated monitoring equipment, but that was a relatively modern invention. (1950's??) That way words like Sosnow (the name of my high school auto shop teacher) would not cause a problem. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM Geoff, A series of twelve four-second dashes, spaced one second apart, was sent by an automatic keyer on 500 kHz. Any automatic distress receiver in the vicinity would be triggered to operate an alarm after picking up four dashes. The extra dashes were to overcome atmospheric noise and increase the chance of the signals being picked up. Four consecutive dashes meant that the automatic alarm wasn't triggered too often in the tropics. The Radio Officer would be woken in his cabin by a bell and had 2 minutes to get to the radio room and switch the main receiver on to receive the distress message. Sometimes the alarm would go off half a dozen times in a night during storms around the European coast in winter. Didn't get a lot of sleep for several days sometimes. Regards Mike G0ULI |
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Cecil Moore wrote:
Bert Hyman wrote: Cecil Moore wrote: Has anyone else noticed that the Prudential commercial on TV is sending SMS instead of SOS? I guess I've never seen that commercial, so I don't know if that makes any sense in its context. On the screen is a dot-dot-dot, dash-dash-dash, dot-dot-dot. But the sound is di-di-dit, dah-dah, di-di-dit. Saw it tonight for the first time and it is as you say. tom K0TAR |
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"Cecil Moore" wrote in message ... Has anyone else noticed that the Prudential commercial on TV is sending SMS instead of SOS? -- 73, Cecil, IEEE, OOTC, http://www.w5dxp.com - Yep. But it is so poorly sent that is seems like "VTTS" to me. --Wayne W5GIE |
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On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 20:08:07 -0800, "Wayne"
wrote: "Cecil Moore" wrote in message ... Has anyone else noticed that the Prudential commercial on TV is sending SMS instead of SOS? -- 73, Cecil, IEEE, OOTC, http://www.w5dxp.com - Yep. But it is so poorly sent that is seems like "VTTS" to me. I've been coping VMS. --Wayne W5GIE |
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On Nov 5, 12:28*am, Cecil Moore wrote:
Has anyone else noticed that the Prudential commercial on TV is sending SMS instead of SOS? -- 73, Cecil, IEEE, OOTC, *http://www.w5dxp.com It's a LDE from the Great War. Seiner Majestät Schiff |
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JoeH wrote:
I read it as "VTTS" Can't be - there are only two dahs. -- 73, Cecil, IEEE, OOTC, http://www.w5dxp.com |
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"Cecil Moore" wrote in message ... JoeH wrote: I read it as "VTTS" Can't be - there are only two dahs. -- 73, Cecil, IEEE, OOTC, http://www.w5dxp.com - I copy "VTTS" also. --Wayne |
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Wayne wrote:
"Cecil Moore" wrote in message Can't be - there are only two dahs. I copy "VTTS" also. There must be more than one version of that commercial. On the one I viewed, there were only two dahs. -- 73, Cecil, IEEE, OOTC, http://www.w5dxp.com |
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In message , Wayne
writes "Cecil Moore" wrote in message ... JoeH wrote: I read it as "VTTS" Can't be - there are only two dahs. -- 73, Cecil, IEEE, OOTC, http://www.w5dxp.com - I copy "VTTS" also. In the UK, the only 'SMS' morse I've ever heard is 'SMS' with no breaks (di-di-di-dah-dah-di-di-dit). Why would it be otherwise? -- Ian |
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Ian Jackson wrote:
In the UK, the only 'SMS' morse I've ever heard is 'SMS' with no breaks (di-di-di-dah-dah-di-di-dit). Why would it be otherwise? It appears that, for that Prudential commercial, the spacing between the dahs is longer than the spacing between the dits. -- 73, Cecil, IEEE, OOTC, http://www.w5dxp.com |
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"Cecil Moore" wrote in message ... Wayne wrote: "Cecil Moore" wrote in message Can't be - there are only two dahs. I copy "VTTS" also. There must be more than one version of that commercial. On the one I viewed, there were only two dahs. -- 73, Cecil, IEEE, OOTC, http://www.w5dxp.com - In whatever case ....on CBS "Sunday Morning" today, I heard the commercial with the corrected morse. It now says "S O S", with word spacing between the characters. Wonder if they got "helpful feedback" from the ham community. :) --Wayne |
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I started laughing when I saw/heard the correction and said to my wife "I wonder if anyone else notices the error, and now the correction?" I did a google search which led me here. LOL |
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Wayne wrote:
In whatever case ....on CBS "Sunday Morning" today, I heard the commercial with the corrected morse. It now says "S O S", with word spacing between the characters. Wonder if they got "helpful feedback" from the ham community. :) I received an email from a ham saying that he had contacted Prudential and they had promised to correct the Morse code S O S sounds. Is the following true? ___ SOS is usually sent as a prosign, i.e. a single dit between tones? -- 73, Cecil, IEEE, OOTC, http://www.w5dxp.com |
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"Cecil Moore" wrote in message ... Wayne wrote: In whatever case ....on CBS "Sunday Morning" today, I heard the commercial with the corrected morse. It now says "S O S", with word spacing between the characters. Wonder if they got "helpful feedback" from the ham community. :) I received an email from a ham saying that he had contacted Prudential and they had promised to correct the Morse code S O S sounds. Is the following true? ___ SOS is usually sent as a prosign, i.e. a single dit between tones? -- 73, Cecil, IEEE, OOTC, http://www.w5dxp.com - I have never heard that is was sent as a prosign, but IMHO it would sound weird. --Wayne |
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"Wayne" wrote: "Cecil Moore" wrote in message ... snip SOS is usually sent as a prosign, i.e. a single dit between tones? -- 73, Cecil, IEEE, OOTC, http://www.w5dxp.com - I have never heard that is was sent as a prosign, but IMHO it would sound weird. --Wayne Back in 1949-1950 when I got my first ticket as W8EZE and became the trustee for the Walnut Hills High School amateur radio club in Cincinnati, the club had one of those World War Two devices to be used in lifeboats, with a crank on top, which you held between your legs while turning the crank. It had an antenna terminal to which we attached a dummy load. It had no other controls or terminals, just the crank and an antenna terminal. I think it only put out a few watts. Listening on 500 kc/s (as we called them, in those days) on I think a BC348 receiver, while turning the crank one heard .. . . _ _ _ . . . (long space) . . . _ _ _ . . . (long space), and on and on, as if you were sending one character with nine components, over and over again. You could write it as ___ SOS the same way one can write __ BT for a double dash, or __ DN for a fraction bar (forward slash). David, ex-W8EZE, who can still picture and and remember hearing the thing -- it was orange -- David Ryeburn To send e-mail, use "ca" instead of "caz". |
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David Ryeburn wrote: In article , "Wayne" wrote: "Cecil Moore" wrote in message ... snip SOS is usually sent as a prosign, i.e. a single dit between tones? -- 73, Cecil, IEEE, OOTC, http://www.w5dxp.com - I have never heard that is was sent as a prosign, but IMHO it would sound weird. --Wayne Back in 1949-1950 when I got my first ticket as W8EZE and became the trustee for the Walnut Hills High School amateur radio club in Cincinnati, the club had one of those World War Two devices to be used in lifeboats, with a crank on top, which you held between your legs while turning the crank. It had an antenna terminal to which we attached a dummy load. It had no other controls or terminals, just the crank and an antenna terminal. I think it only put out a few watts. Listening on 500 kc/s (as we called them, in those days) on I think a BC348 receiver, while turning the crank one heard . . . _ _ _ . . . (long space) . . . _ _ _ . . . (long space), and on and on, as if you were sending one character with nine components, over and over again. You could write it as ___ SOS the same way one can write __ BT for a double dash, or __ DN for a fraction bar (forward slash). David, ex-W8EZE, who can still picture and and remember hearing the thing -- it was orange It was called a "Gibson Girl" |
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In Cecil Moore
wrote: Has anyone else noticed that the Prudential commercial on TV is sending SMS instead of SOS? Finally saw a commercial that's probably the one you're talking about. It sounded more like "VMS" to me, but based strictly on the dots and dashes, ignoring the timing, it was "SOS." -- Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN |
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"Bert Hyman" wrote in message ... In Cecil Moore wrote: Has anyone else noticed that the Prudential commercial on TV is sending SMS instead of SOS? Finally saw a commercial that's probably the one you're talking about. It sounded more like "VMS" to me, but based strictly on the dots and dashes, ignoring the timing, it was "SOS." -- Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN - After hearing the "corrected" version of the commercial where "S O S" was definitely sent.....I again heard the "original" version on a different channel. So, they have two versions now. BTW, I still copy "VTTS". --Wayne W5GIE |
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billm wrote:
'Cecil Moore[_2_ Wrote: ;692592']Has anyone else noticed that the Prudential commercial on TV is sending SMS instead of SOS? -- 73, Cecil, IEEE, OOTC, http://www.w5dxp.com If you listen carefully, I think they are sending VMS. You could make the case that it's a really bad "fist" trying to send SOS. You guys beat this one to death surely! How about a new one? Analysis of the MASH episode where the 4077th performs a bris by Morse code. - 73 de Mike N3LI - |
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After hearing the "corrected" version of the commercial where "S O S" was definitely sent.....I again heard the "original" version on a different channel. So, they have two versions now. BTW, I still copy "VTTS". --Wayne W5GIE Perhaps it was sent by Hashfisti Scratchi. John Ferrell W8CCW |
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On Nov 17, 10:52*am, "Wayne" wrote:
After hearing the "corrected" version of the commercial where "S *O *S" was definitely sent.....I again heard the "original" version on a different channel. *So, they have two versions now. *BTW, I still copy "VTTS". --Wayne W5GIE I just heard that for the first time just now.. If that was sent by someone with a normal fist it would be VTTS.. Course, most TV commercials seem to use ham fisted CW ops so who knows for sure.. If they are trying to send an M , it's a poor effort with bad timing. If I heard it on the air, I would copy VTTS. BTW, I've worked CW for nearly 40 years at 55-60 wpm speeds in my prime.. I've been slacking the last years so I'm not that fast now. But I can still copy code... That's VTTS as it's sent. If a TV CW op messes up code, it's almost always the timing, which is fairly critical if you want the one copying to get the correct message. :/ |
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On Nov 10, 6:30*am, Cecil Moore wrote:
JoeH wrote: I read it as "VTTS" Can't be - there are only two dahs. -- 73, Cecil, IEEE, OOTC, *http://www.w5dxp.com Yep, but they are using too large a gaps between the dah's.. To any normal person, that would read TT.. It's the timing that is screwed up.. If they intend an M, the two dashes should be much closer together to match the timing of the V and S. |
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On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 11:59:25 -0900, You wrote:
It was called a "Gibson Girl" Here's the link. http://wftw.nl/gibsongirl/gibsongirl.html Very interesting Mike VE6HMG |
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