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Faraday shields and radiation and misinterpretations
On Dec 6, 11:02*pm, Art Unwin wrote:
On Dec 6, 2:52*pm, Art Unwin wrote: On Dec 6, 1:10*pm, Richard Clark wrote: On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 some gomer wrote: No where does Maxwell's equations suggests a particular shape or elevation or even straght when describing a radiator Hmmmm, Did Maxwell design antennas? *Did he describe them? *If he had no particular shape in mind, did that mean it was a mesh like a fish net cast over the rocks? *Did he try working the international space station with this limp radiator powered by the feeble force? WWMD? 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC Maxwell dealt only with the mathematics of the time where many people had arrived at equations with respect to scientific observations. Many of these equations from different countries were actually duplicates so he was able to side line some. reduce some and even combined some such that he has a set of equations. Ofcourse he was aware that with observations within the Universe one must obey the requirement of equilibrium. You can do this by placing all metrics on one side of the equal or equal ibrium side and zero ion the other side. One of his final equations did not, in fact, equal zero and in fact the metric of time was missing among other things. Now he couldn't go back to Gauss or anybody for an explanation. If he had spoken to Gauss he may have told him that if he made a static field dynamic he could correct the initial equations provided as the product was one and the same! Instead Maxwell concerned himself only with the metrics of the equations and not the scale. So he cancelled the metrics that were available and then added some metrics so he could cancel what was remaining which implied equil ibrium noy knowing what the additions added signified. At that time he could not have cared less as he primarily a mathematician. When Yagi and Uda came along they stumbled on intercoupling of planar forms with out any regard to Maxwells equations. For them, the use of half wave length was of no concern as it provided answers that were within 10% of real life. That aproach lasted to this very day when I came along and pointed out that by using the Gaussian law of statics they could then account for the remaining 10% of radiation by accounting for other forces which could provide for 100% efficiency. When this observation was shared on the internet it met with disdain by those who in the absence of knoweledge followed the trend of the written books of science known for their plagarisms. After all, those who followed the books to the letter were resting on the mantle of perceived experts where all agreed on the same thing. Rather than learning new things about physics they decided to agree to bestow on the teacher the myth that he was wearing no clothes and threw away all the mesh available . To this day nobody can apply a time varying field and note that it radiated more efficiently than any radiater known and occupy a smaller volume than previously .possible thus preventing those with small gardens become such loud mouths as others *were that were preventing the advance of science. Now the antenna industry realizes that with the gaussian knowledge being denied to them the only resort they had for advancement was to invent a new technology so they could carry the battle to those who cannot accept change. Unfortunately God made only one technology for radiation leaving the industry to ponder for another 100 years. Art Unwin KB9MZ.....xg Ofcourse the biggest thing to come from the Gaussian observation was that his static particles must be in equilibrium and also could only come to rest without harm was a diamagnetic material which could encapsulate vie their density. Most other things on earth are considered diamagnetic including water. Many people have seen beads of water that can exist in a pherical shape as you see with mercury and the like. This is because the liquid is bound so tight by the resting particles that they assume the shape of a sphere where internal pressure equates to the outside pressure. When the winds pick up particles are drawn up while clinging to the water where the surface area of water diminishes with altitude The resting electrons or particles receive a charge via the assending movement while at the same time struggle to look for a viable new resting place such as a close by cloud while all the time gathering increased charge. These electrons collect in a cloud like form themselves as points of rest diminish such they are attracted away from the higher elevation back to earth which is now the easiest place to reach and rest. Thus we have lightning produced when the cloud of electrons hit the ground such that the charge removes itself from the charge. You might also notice that the radiation resistance increases as the metallic resistance decreases. This is due to the encapsulating electrons carry more and more of the current available such that the skin depth starts to disapear such that we have to review what the lowest impedance that can be handled for radiatiation. The action that removes the encapsulating particles is both a directive force and one of spin. These same two forces are responsible for all actions on earth such as gravity associated with spin all the way back to the big bang where equilibrium is broken via a emerging particle from the suns boundary. So what was originall thought of as being a wave is now seen as a total error as the particle is the initial subject of force together with spin which thus brings to the fore the formation of voltage, light magnetism and even gravity byt he adherance to Newtons law that require s from every action an equal and opposite reaction which travels thru the Universe by the single ejection of a particle creating the two basic forces from which everything comes about. Even the Faraday shield follows the same pattern where the field outside equals the field inside until the internal or external equilibrium is broken creating the same two originating forces of the universe. Now if I made all that up myself wouldn't one think of me as a visionary that really should write a physics book to steer the world in the right direction of fictional law? Had a great long week end in StLouis which has revitalised me back home in Central Illinois to with stand the new oncomming insults who feel that they know all about antennas before I was born.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Lets make sure I follow, You are saying that radio communication occurs because and antenna emits statically charged particle that then imparts their charge to the receiving antenna when they strike the antenna. Is this what you are saying. Jimmie |
Faraday shields and radiation and misinterpretations
On Dec 7, 1:35*pm, JIMMIE wrote:
On Dec 6, 11:02*pm, Art Unwin wrote: On Dec 6, 2:52*pm, Art Unwin wrote: On Dec 6, 1:10*pm, Richard Clark wrote: On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 some gomer wrote: No where does Maxwell's equations suggests a particular shape or elevation or even straght when describing a radiator Hmmmm, Did Maxwell design antennas? *Did he describe them? *If he had no particular shape in mind, did that mean it was a mesh like a fish net cast over the rocks? *Did he try working the international space station with this limp radiator powered by the feeble force? WWMD? 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC Maxwell dealt only with the mathematics of the time where many people had arrived at equations with respect to scientific observations. Many of these equations from different countries were actually duplicates so he was able to side line some. reduce some and even combined some such that he has a set of equations. Ofcourse he was aware that with observations within the Universe one must obey the requirement of equilibrium. You can do this by placing all metrics on one side of the equal or equal ibrium side and zero ion the other side. One of his final equations did not, in fact, equal zero and in fact the metric of time was missing among other things. Now he couldn't go back to Gauss or anybody for an explanation. If he had spoken to Gauss he may have told him that if he made a static field dynamic he could correct the initial equations provided as the product was one and the same! Instead Maxwell concerned himself only with the metrics of the equations and not the scale. So he cancelled the metrics that were available and then added some metrics so he could cancel what was remaining which implied equil ibrium noy knowing what the additions added signified. At that time he could not have cared less as he primarily a mathematician. When Yagi and Uda came along they stumbled on intercoupling of planar forms with out any regard to Maxwells equations. For them, the use of half wave length was of no concern as it provided answers that were within 10% of real life. That aproach lasted to this very day when I came along and pointed out that by using the Gaussian law of statics they could then account for the remaining 10% of radiation by accounting for other forces which could provide for 100% efficiency. When this observation was shared on the internet it met with disdain by those who in the absence of knoweledge followed the trend of the written books of science known for their plagarisms. After all, those who followed the books to the letter were resting on the mantle of perceived experts where all agreed on the same thing. Rather than learning new things about physics they decided to agree to bestow on the teacher the myth that he was wearing no clothes and threw away all the mesh available . To this day nobody can apply a time varying field and note that it radiated more efficiently than any radiater known and occupy a smaller volume than previously .possible thus preventing those with small gardens become such loud mouths as others *were that were preventing the advance of science. Now the antenna industry realizes that with the gaussian knowledge being denied to them the only resort they had for advancement was to invent a new technology so they could carry the battle to those who cannot accept change. Unfortunately God made only one technology for radiation leaving the industry to ponder for another 100 years. Art Unwin KB9MZ.....xg Ofcourse the biggest thing to come from the Gaussian observation was that his static particles must be in equilibrium and also could only come to rest without harm was a diamagnetic material which could encapsulate vie their density. Most other things on earth are considered diamagnetic including water. Many people have seen beads of water that can exist in a pherical shape as you see with mercury and the like. This is because the liquid is bound so tight by the resting particles that they assume the shape of a sphere where internal pressure equates to the outside pressure. When the winds pick up particles are drawn up while clinging to the water where the surface area of water diminishes with altitude The resting electrons or particles receive a charge via the assending movement while at the same time struggle to look for a viable new resting place such as a close by cloud while all the time gathering increased charge. These electrons collect in a cloud like form themselves as points of rest diminish such they are attracted away from the higher elevation back to earth which is now the easiest place to reach and rest. Thus we have lightning produced when the cloud of electrons hit the ground such that the charge removes itself from the charge. You might also notice that the radiation resistance increases as the metallic resistance decreases. This is due to the encapsulating electrons carry more and more of the current available such that the skin depth starts to disapear such that we have to review what the lowest impedance that can be handled for radiatiation. The action that removes the encapsulating particles is both a directive force and one of spin. These same two forces are responsible for all actions on earth such as gravity associated with spin all the way back to the big bang where equilibrium is broken via a emerging particle from the suns boundary. So what was originall thought of as being a wave is now seen as a total error as the particle is the initial subject of force together with spin which thus brings to the fore the formation of voltage, light magnetism and even gravity byt he adherance to Newtons law that require s from every action an equal and opposite reaction which travels thru the Universe by the single ejection of a particle creating the two basic forces from which everything comes about. Even the Faraday shield follows the same pattern where the field outside equals the field inside until the internal or external equilibrium is broken creating the same two originating forces of the universe. Now if I made all that up myself wouldn't one think of me as a visionary that really should write a physics book to steer the world in the right direction of fictional law? Had a great long week end in StLouis which has revitalised me back home in Central Illinois to with stand the new oncomming insults who feel that they know all about antennas before I was born.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Lets make sure I follow, You are saying that radio communication occurs because and antenna emits statically charged particle that then imparts their charge to the receiving antenna when they strike the antenna. Is this what you are saying. Jimmie yup |
Faraday shields and radiation and misinterpretations
On Mon, 7 Dec 2009 11:35:16 -0800 (PST), JIMMIE
wrote: Lets make sure I follow, You are saying that radio communication occurs because and antenna emits statically charged particle that then imparts their charge to the receiving antenna when they strike the antenna. Is this what you are saying. Let's see, dust or soot are particles and can be charged. The VOA, BBC and Deutsche Welle have big, big tranmitters capable of generating considerable dust storms that have been tracked by satellite since Gauss was in knee pants. Well, maybe not. Electrons are particles that are charged (just one charge, and only negative), but awfully difficult to rip out of an atom without a few KV (doesn't sound like an HT will be up to the job, so despite evidence to the contrary - all lies - HTs do not work UNLESS their antenna has a filament, screen grid, and a surrounding plate with an opposite charge of several hundred volts). Photons are particles (maybe) that are NOT charged, otherwise if when you rub a balloon (diamagnetic material) on your hair (diamagnetic material), it (diamagnetic material) would glow like a night light instead of attracting, um, dust (diamagnetic material) and soot (diamagnetic material) with its feeble force. As antennas are not diamagnetic material - contrary to experience, all lies - then antennas do not work UNLESS you have photographic proof of a soot or dust layer coating one (aka skin-depth). I hope this helps. 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC |
Faraday shields and radiation and misinterpretations
On Dec 7, 2:03*pm, Art Unwin wrote:
On Dec 7, 1:35*pm, JIMMIE wrote: On Dec 6, 11:02*pm, Art Unwin wrote: On Dec 6, 2:52*pm, Art Unwin wrote: On Dec 6, 1:10*pm, Richard Clark wrote: On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 some gomer wrote: No where does Maxwell's equations suggests a particular shape or elevation or even straght when describing a radiator Hmmmm, Did Maxwell design antennas? *Did he describe them? *If he had no particular shape in mind, did that mean it was a mesh like a fish net cast over the rocks? *Did he try working the international space station with this limp radiator powered by the feeble force? WWMD? 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC Maxwell dealt only with the mathematics of the time where many people had arrived at equations with respect to scientific observations. Many of these equations from different countries were actually duplicates so he was able to side line some. reduce some and even combined some such that he has a set of equations. Ofcourse he was aware that with observations within the Universe one must obey the requirement of equilibrium. You can do this by placing all metrics on one side of the equal or equal ibrium side and zero ion the other side. One of his final equations did not, in fact, equal zero and in fact the metric of time was missing among other things. Now he couldn't go back to Gauss or anybody for an explanation. If he had spoken to Gauss he may have told him that if he made a static field dynamic he could correct the initial equations provided as the product was one and the same! Instead Maxwell concerned himself only with the metrics of the equations and not the scale. So he cancelled the metrics that were available and then added some metrics so he could cancel what was remaining which implied equil ibrium noy knowing what the additions added signified. At that time he could not have cared less as he primarily a mathematician. When Yagi and Uda came along they stumbled on intercoupling of planar forms with out any regard to Maxwells equations. For them, the use of half wave length was of no concern as it provided answers that were within 10% of real life. That aproach lasted to this very day when I came along and pointed out that by using the Gaussian law of statics they could then account for the remaining 10% of radiation by accounting for other forces which could provide for 100% efficiency.. When this observation was shared on the internet it met with disdain by those who in the absence of knoweledge followed the trend of the written books of science known for their plagarisms. After all, those who followed the books to the letter were resting on the mantle of perceived experts where all agreed on the same thing. Rather than learning new things about physics they decided to agree to bestow on the teacher the myth that he was wearing no clothes and threw away all the mesh available . To this day nobody can apply a time varying field and note that it radiated more efficiently than any radiater known and occupy a smaller volume than previously .possible thus preventing those with small gardens become such loud mouths as others *were that were preventing the advance of science. Now the antenna industry realizes that with the gaussian knowledge being denied to them the only resort they had for advancement was to invent a new technology so they could carry the battle to those who cannot accept change. Unfortunately God made only one technology for radiation leaving the industry to ponder for another 100 years. Art Unwin KB9MZ.....xg Ofcourse the biggest thing to come from the Gaussian observation was that his static particles must be in equilibrium and also could only come to rest without harm was a diamagnetic material which could encapsulate vie their density. Most other things on earth are considered diamagnetic including water. Many people have seen beads of water that can exist in a pherical shape as you see with mercury and the like. This is because the liquid is bound so tight by the resting particles that they assume the shape of a sphere where internal pressure equates to the outside pressure. When the winds pick up particles are drawn up while clinging to the water where the surface area of water diminishes with altitude The resting electrons or particles receive a charge via the assending movement while at the same time struggle to look for a viable new resting place such as a close by cloud while all the time gathering increased charge. These electrons collect in a cloud like form themselves as points of rest diminish such they are attracted away from the higher elevation back to earth which is now the easiest place to reach and rest. Thus we have lightning produced when the cloud of electrons hit the ground such that the charge removes itself from the charge. You might also notice that the radiation resistance increases as the metallic resistance decreases. This is due to the encapsulating electrons carry more and more of the current available such that the skin depth starts to disapear such that we have to review what the lowest impedance that can be handled for radiatiation. The action that removes the encapsulating particles is both a directive force and one of spin. These same two forces are responsible for all actions on earth such as gravity associated with spin all the way back to the big bang where equilibrium is broken via a emerging particle from the suns boundary. So what was originall thought of as being a wave is now seen as a total error as the particle is the initial subject of force together with spin which thus brings to the fore the formation of voltage, light magnetism and even gravity byt he adherance to Newtons law that require s from every action an equal and opposite reaction which travels thru the Universe by the single ejection of a particle creating the two basic forces from which everything comes about. Even the Faraday shield follows the same pattern where the field outside equals the field inside until the internal or external equilibrium is broken creating the same two originating forces of the universe. Now if I made all that up myself wouldn't one think of me as a visionary that really should write a physics book to steer the world in the right direction of fictional law? Had a great long week end in StLouis which has revitalised me back home in Central Illinois to with stand the new oncomming insults who feel that they know all about antennas before I was born.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Lets make sure I follow, You are saying that radio communication occurs because and antenna emits statically charged particle that then imparts their charge to the receiving antenna when they strike the antenna. Is this what you are saying. Jimmie yup When you apply a time varying current to a radiator you arrive at an impedance derived by two resistances. Radiation resistance and skin resistance. The more efficient the radiator becomes the less skin resistance depth is used where the loss is added to the radiation resistance. When the current ceases to flow within the radiator resistance the radiation resistance becomes a maximum which is what we seek. This suggests that maximum radiation is created by current that flows outside the metallic member and underneath the encapsulating particle or unbound electron. With the current flowing along the joint of the materials 2 forces are applied underneath the encapsulating electrons. These two forces are the same as gravity and the rotation of the earth. In a time varying current these same two forces are represented by displacement current encircling a static field in eddy current form. The twistin g action applies a poealing action on the unbound electron and the displacement current supplies the ejection force the result of which is a straight line projection with spin impressed on the electron. Now we know that radiation is created by an accelerating charge so we must consider where the acceleration comes from. When the electron is launched it passes thru the afore mentioned static fieldwhich is being interfered with by a field at right angles to the main current flow. When the particle enteres the static field in the area the external field is impinged upon the electron or particle is placed into an acceleration mode until it clears the static field where it achieves a speed which incidently was found to be the same as that measured for light. Now the electron which is now charged follows a straight line projection of mass with spin and a generated electrical field. It is now a particle or electron back into its original mode looking for a place to rest which means it is looking for a diamagnetic material that is resonant, the part that an amatuer has directed it at. It arrives at the receiving antenna with a thump dislodging existing particles where it disposers its electrical field upon the receiving radiator for processing in a mirror actions to that taken on transmission. This single electron is a exact example of point radiation which can be seen as an ejection from a point source containing distributed loads Note that the particles projection is of a straight line without effect from gravity as it is exhibiting the reacting forces around earth(gravity and rotation in line with Newtons equations. This actually became into being when a particle of the sun impinged on its barrier thus breaking equilibrium with both a direct force and a bending or spin force now known as the BIG BANG. These same two forces generate all the vector forces that exist in the universe such as gravity, electricity, magnetism etc as well as the well known ribbon with a helical action that represents the DNA of human life. Art Unwin KB9MZ.....xg (uk) |
Faraday shields and radiation and misinterpretations
On Dec 7, 3:03*pm, Art Unwin wrote:
On Dec 7, 1:35*pm, JIMMIE wrote: On Dec 6, 11:02*pm, Art Unwin wrote: On Dec 6, 2:52*pm, Art Unwin wrote: On Dec 6, 1:10*pm, Richard Clark wrote: On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 some gomer wrote: No where does Maxwell's equations suggests a particular shape or elevation or even straght when describing a radiator Hmmmm, Did Maxwell design antennas? *Did he describe them? *If he had no particular shape in mind, did that mean it was a mesh like a fish net cast over the rocks? *Did he try working the international space station with this limp radiator powered by the feeble force? WWMD? 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC Maxwell dealt only with the mathematics of the time where many people had arrived at equations with respect to scientific observations. Many of these equations from different countries were actually duplicates so he was able to side line some. reduce some and even combined some such that he has a set of equations. Ofcourse he was aware that with observations within the Universe one must obey the requirement of equilibrium. You can do this by placing all metrics on one side of the equal or equal ibrium side and zero ion the other side. One of his final equations did not, in fact, equal zero and in fact the metric of time was missing among other things. Now he couldn't go back to Gauss or anybody for an explanation. If he had spoken to Gauss he may have told him that if he made a static field dynamic he could correct the initial equations provided as the product was one and the same! Instead Maxwell concerned himself only with the metrics of the equations and not the scale. So he cancelled the metrics that were available and then added some metrics so he could cancel what was remaining which implied equil ibrium noy knowing what the additions added signified. At that time he could not have cared less as he primarily a mathematician. When Yagi and Uda came along they stumbled on intercoupling of planar forms with out any regard to Maxwells equations. For them, the use of half wave length was of no concern as it provided answers that were within 10% of real life. That aproach lasted to this very day when I came along and pointed out that by using the Gaussian law of statics they could then account for the remaining 10% of radiation by accounting for other forces which could provide for 100% efficiency.. When this observation was shared on the internet it met with disdain by those who in the absence of knoweledge followed the trend of the written books of science known for their plagarisms. After all, those who followed the books to the letter were resting on the mantle of perceived experts where all agreed on the same thing. Rather than learning new things about physics they decided to agree to bestow on the teacher the myth that he was wearing no clothes and threw away all the mesh available . To this day nobody can apply a time varying field and note that it radiated more efficiently than any radiater known and occupy a smaller volume than previously .possible thus preventing those with small gardens become such loud mouths as others *were that were preventing the advance of science. Now the antenna industry realizes that with the gaussian knowledge being denied to them the only resort they had for advancement was to invent a new technology so they could carry the battle to those who cannot accept change. Unfortunately God made only one technology for radiation leaving the industry to ponder for another 100 years. Art Unwin KB9MZ.....xg Ofcourse the biggest thing to come from the Gaussian observation was that his static particles must be in equilibrium and also could only come to rest without harm was a diamagnetic material which could encapsulate vie their density. Most other things on earth are considered diamagnetic including water. Many people have seen beads of water that can exist in a pherical shape as you see with mercury and the like. This is because the liquid is bound so tight by the resting particles that they assume the shape of a sphere where internal pressure equates to the outside pressure. When the winds pick up particles are drawn up while clinging to the water where the surface area of water diminishes with altitude The resting electrons or particles receive a charge via the assending movement while at the same time struggle to look for a viable new resting place such as a close by cloud while all the time gathering increased charge. These electrons collect in a cloud like form themselves as points of rest diminish such they are attracted away from the higher elevation back to earth which is now the easiest place to reach and rest. Thus we have lightning produced when the cloud of electrons hit the ground such that the charge removes itself from the charge. You might also notice that the radiation resistance increases as the metallic resistance decreases. This is due to the encapsulating electrons carry more and more of the current available such that the skin depth starts to disapear such that we have to review what the lowest impedance that can be handled for radiatiation. The action that removes the encapsulating particles is both a directive force and one of spin. These same two forces are responsible for all actions on earth such as gravity associated with spin all the way back to the big bang where equilibrium is broken via a emerging particle from the suns boundary. So what was originall thought of as being a wave is now seen as a total error as the particle is the initial subject of force together with spin which thus brings to the fore the formation of voltage, light magnetism and even gravity byt he adherance to Newtons law that require s from every action an equal and opposite reaction which travels thru the Universe by the single ejection of a particle creating the two basic forces from which everything comes about. Even the Faraday shield follows the same pattern where the field outside equals the field inside until the internal or external equilibrium is broken creating the same two originating forces of the universe. Now if I made all that up myself wouldn't one think of me as a visionary that really should write a physics book to steer the world in the right direction of fictional law? Had a great long week end in StLouis which has revitalised me back home in Central Illinois to with stand the new oncomming insults who feel that they know all about antennas before I was born.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Lets make sure I follow, You are saying that radio communication occurs because and antenna emits statically charged particle that then imparts their charge to the receiving antenna when they strike the antenna. Is this what you are saying. Jimmie yup- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Exactly which particles are you saying are responsible for this?. Jimmie |
Faraday shields and radiation and misinterpretations
On Dec 7, 4:16*pm, JIMMIE wrote:
On Dec 7, 3:03*pm, Art Unwin wrote: On Dec 7, 1:35*pm, JIMMIE wrote: On Dec 6, 11:02*pm, Art Unwin wrote: On Dec 6, 2:52*pm, Art Unwin wrote: On Dec 6, 1:10*pm, Richard Clark wrote: On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 some gomer wrote: No where does Maxwell's equations suggests a particular shape or elevation or even straght when describing a radiator Hmmmm, Did Maxwell design antennas? *Did he describe them? *If he had no particular shape in mind, did that mean it was a mesh like a fish net cast over the rocks? *Did he try working the international space station with this limp radiator powered by the feeble force? WWMD? 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC Maxwell dealt only with the mathematics of the time where many people had arrived at equations with respect to scientific observations. Many of these equations from different countries were actually duplicates so he was able to side line some. reduce some and even combined some such that he has a set of equations. Ofcourse he was aware that with observations within the Universe one must obey the requirement of equilibrium. You can do this by placing all metrics on one side of the equal or equal ibrium side and zero ion the other side. One of his final equations did not, in fact, equal zero and in fact the metric of time was missing among other things. Now he couldn't go back to Gauss or anybody for an explanation. If he had spoken to Gauss he may have told him that if he made a static field dynamic he could correct the initial equations provided as the product was one and the same! Instead Maxwell concerned himself only with the metrics of the equations and not the scale. So he cancelled the metrics that were available and then added some metrics so he could cancel what was remaining which implied equil ibrium noy knowing what the additions added signified. At that time he could not have cared less as he primarily a mathematician. When Yagi and Uda came along they stumbled on intercoupling of planar forms with out any regard to Maxwells equations. For them, the use of half wave length was of no concern as it provided answers that were within 10% of real life. That aproach lasted to this very day when I came along and pointed out that by using the Gaussian law of statics they could then account for the remaining 10% of radiation by accounting for other forces which could provide for 100% efficiency. When this observation was shared on the internet it met with disdain by those who in the absence of knoweledge followed the trend of the written books of science known for their plagarisms. After all, those who followed the books to the letter were resting on the mantle of perceived experts where all agreed on the same thing. Rather than learning new things about physics they decided to agree to bestow on the teacher the myth that he was wearing no clothes and threw away all the mesh available . To this day nobody can apply a time varying field and note that it radiated more efficiently than any radiater known and occupy a smaller volume than previously .possible thus preventing those with small gardens become such loud mouths as others *were that were preventing the advance of science. Now the antenna industry realizes that with the gaussian knowledge being denied to them the only resort they had for advancement was to invent a new technology so they could carry the battle to those who cannot accept change. Unfortunately God made only one technology for radiation leaving the industry to ponder for another 100 years. Art Unwin KB9MZ.....xg Ofcourse the biggest thing to come from the Gaussian observation was that his static particles must be in equilibrium and also could only come to rest without harm was a diamagnetic material which could encapsulate vie their density. Most other things on earth are considered diamagnetic including water. Many people have seen beads of water that can exist in a pherical shape as you see with mercury and the like. This is because the liquid is bound so tight by the resting particles that they assume the shape of a sphere where internal pressure equates to the outside pressure. When the winds pick up particles are drawn up while clinging to the water where the surface area of water diminishes with altitude The resting electrons or particles receive a charge via the assending movement while at the same time struggle to look for a viable new resting place such as a close by cloud while all the time gathering increased charge. These electrons collect in a cloud like form themselves as points of rest diminish such they are attracted away from the higher elevation back to earth which is now the easiest place to reach and rest. Thus we have lightning produced when the cloud of electrons hit the ground such that the charge removes itself from the charge. You might also notice that the radiation resistance increases as the metallic resistance decreases. This is due to the encapsulating electrons carry more and more of the current available such that the skin depth starts to disapear such that we have to review what the lowest impedance that can be handled for radiatiation. The action that removes the encapsulating particles is both a directive force and one of spin. These same two forces are responsible for all actions on earth such as gravity associated with spin all the way back to the big bang where equilibrium is broken via a emerging particle from the suns boundary. So what was originall thought of as being a wave is now seen as a total error as the particle is the initial subject of force together with spin which thus brings to the fore the formation of voltage, light magnetism and even gravity byt he adherance to Newtons law that require s from every action an equal and opposite reaction which travels thru the Universe by the single ejection of a particle creating the two basic forces from which everything comes about. Even the Faraday shield follows the same pattern where the field outside equals the field inside until the internal or external equilibrium is broken creating the same two originating forces of the universe. Now if I made all that up myself wouldn't one think of me as a visionary that really should write a physics book to steer the world in the right direction of fictional law? Had a great long week end in StLouis which has revitalised me back home in Central Illinois to with stand the new oncomming insults who feel that they know all about antennas before I was born.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Lets make sure I follow, You are saying that radio communication occurs because and antenna emits statically charged particle that then imparts their charge to the receiving antenna when they strike the antenna. Is this what you are saying. Jimmie yup- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Exactly which particles are you saying are responsible for this?. Jimmie Hard to say. We know what is termed as Leptons which escape from the sun and get taken along in the solar stream towards earth.Some where along the line they apparently finish up as neutrinos. What happens between these events is considered to be Higgs field which creates change in the particles. Then there is the connection to light and supposed photons which initially attached to particles and we know that when the particles from the solar stream provide charge to the earths magnetic boundary. But these are just dots in the story that wait to be connected but there are many things unknown between the points that we theoretically know of which we have no evidence. At the moment we have the observations of the masters and to this day there is contraversy about particles, waves and the emmission of light where the masters observations and equations are still a question of discussion. What I have done is to use the equations of the masters and connected them in a different mathematical way such they provide tracable links between the BIG BANG, the Standard model and radiation that matches the computer derivitatation of radiation that is in sync with the teachings of the masters especially Maxwell, Gauss and of course the Faraday shield, all of which now seem to fit together nicely. The true bottom line is that the use of Maxwells equations where accountability is taken of all forces involved have in essense via computer programs provide authenticity to the idea of point radiation which leads to efficient small volume antennas. And following these edicts I have been able to make radiators of a smnaller volume that is known in the present state of the art. |
Faraday shields and radiation and misinterpretations
i don't care if this guy is a troll or an idiot... keep him going, its
great stuff. still rotflmao |
Faraday shields and radiation and misinterpretations
On Dec 7, 5:20*pm, Dave wrote:
i don't care if this guy is a troll or an idiot... keep him going, its great stuff. still rotflmao If one would just read in succession the posts above one might get the impression that I sat at a desk while in deep thought until I connected the dots which provided a exp-lanation of radiation where the books stated that radiation in itself was not fully understood. That is so far from the truth. Going to the physics books one can see examples where the maxwell equations was proven in many ways by the use of contributingequations. One proof that you don't see is the gaussian static field as a proof possibly because we had a conflict in metrics ie cgs and MKS which possibly authors did not want to use for fear of muddying the water. From my point of view I saw it as a transition from a static field to a dynamic field which in itself was swhat Maxwell equations were showing. Sharing this observation on this group and other places drew nothing but cat calls because of the sillines of connecting statics with electricity as presently known. Pursuit via computer programs and other thoughts regarding equilibrium allowed me to formulate an array where equilibrrium was in existance and all elements were resonant in the form of a full wave. Thus my work on unwinantennas .com began because I had destroyed some old wives tales. Then the second patent came where again I focussed on FW antennas to obsolete the idea of ground planes which I did by folding the FW dipole into an end fed form but with the question remaining regarding my thoughts on the standard model. Needless to say it showed that a verticle must be tipped with respect to ground via the very nature of these two fectors representing gravity and rotation. Going back to the end fed folded full wave it can be seen that one could section the FW in calculus form in the form of many square circuits. In fact it could be expanded more into mesh form where a transmitted circuit could be one of many in parallel and where I was able to measure a resonant point on a small piece of mesh. Thus the second patent started to grow when I changed a std helix to where the lumped load was cancelled and introducing the mesh radiator to a ground mounted form for top band instead of the requirement for height. Thus multi frequency small antennas were formed the holy grail of radio. So that is a rough explanation as to how I got to understand radiation in a different way from the books where as an engineer I started with Gauss and Maxwell while placing all written theories to the side lines and working from first principles as I now saw it. Of course looking at my home page I made many samples and experiments along the way where I now have a large Faraday cage radiator on the ground and making a small loop mesh radiator to insert into the Faraday cage to emulate velocity increase of a beam as with a fire nozzle and Bernollis theorems where I can reduce the area of resting for particles where the number of particles remains a constant where equilibrium requires a increase in velocity and a tighter beam. Regards Art Unwin...KB89MZ...xg (uk) |
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Art Unwin wrote:
Hard to say. We know what is termed as Leptons which escape from the sun and get taken along in the solar stream towards earth.Some where along the line they apparently finish up as neutrinos. What happens between these events is considered to be Higgs field which creates change in the particles. Then there is the connection to light and supposed photons which initially attached to particles and we know that when the particles from the solar stream provide charge to the earths magnetic boundary. But these are just dots in the story that wait to be connected but there are many things unknown between the points that we theoretically know of which we have no evidence. At the moment we have the observations of the masters and to this day there is contraversy about particles, waves and the emmission of light where the masters observations and equations are still a question of discussion. What I have done is to use the equations of the masters and connected them in a different mathematical way such they provide tracable links between the BIG BANG, the Standard model and radiation that matches the computer derivitatation of radiation that is in sync with the teachings of the masters especially Maxwell, Gauss and of course the Faraday shield, all of which now seem to fit together nicely. The true bottom line is that the use of Maxwells equations where accountability is taken of all forces involved have in essense via computer programs provide authenticity to the idea of point radiation which leads to efficient small volume antennas. And following these edicts I have been able to make radiators of a smnaller volume that is known in the present state of the art. Which all means, according to Lord Art, that an antenna won't radiate in deep space due to lack of the particles (that he isn't sure of the type of) won't be available to coat your antenna in the correct manner so that it will be able to make them leap from it. Of course if a radio signal consisted of charged particles, like he claims, you could easily bend a radio signal with a static electric field or magnetic field, which you can't. Heck you could run a radio signal around right along with the protons in the Large Hadron Collider. Except for the fact that you can't. tom K0TAR |
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tom wrote:
Which all means, according to Lord Art, that an antenna won't radiate in deep space due to lack of the particles (that he isn't sure of the type of) won't be available to coat your antenna in the correct manner so that it will be able to make them leap from it. Of course if a radio signal consisted of charged particles, like he claims, you could easily bend a radio signal with a static electric field or magnetic field, which you can't. Heck you could run a radio signal around right along with the protons in the Large Hadron Collider. Except for the fact that you can't. tom K0TAR Holy Cow! I've discovered the Holy Grail! I beat you at your own game Art! If these antennas work like you say, I should be able to make a beam antenna to any specifications I'd like with magnets or charged plates. I hereby claim that an antenna type made with charged plates surrounding a dipole shall be called the K0TAR Unmodulated Electric Plate Beam Antenna, and the type with cow magnets surrounding a dipole shall be called the K0TAR Mystifying Magnetic Beam Antenna. And the type with charged plates AND cow magnets be called the Super Whizbang ElectroMagnetic Antenna. Hmm. That last one could be a problem. Since Art has disproved that there are really EM waves involved here. I'll have to think about this some more. I'll get back to you all later. tom K0TAR |
Faraday shields and radiation and misinterpretations
"JIMMIE" wrote ... On Dec 7, 3:03 pm, Art Unwin wrote: - Show quoted text - Lets make sure I follow, You are saying that radio communication occurs because and antenna emits statically charged particle that then imparts their charge to the receiving antenna when they strike the antenna. Is this what you are saying. Yes. But in form of longitudinal waves. Electrons go out and come back from the end of radiator. For this reason he can wrote: "the idea of point radiation which leads to efficient small volume antennas. And following these edicts I have been able to make radiators of a smnaller volume that is known in the present state of the art." When electrons oscillate in a transmitter the voltage at the end of a radiator is doubled and the strong Gauss electric field is produced. Such waves are longitudinal. Exactly which particles are you saying are responsible for this?. Here are many hypothesis. One of them is the Diracs electron see. So the electrons in the conductor kick the electrons in the space. But it is not important. Radio people should know which part of the radiator radiate and what the waves a normal pressure waves or artifical TEM waves. S* |
Faraday shields and radiation and misinterpretations
On Dec 8, 1:34*am, Art Unwin wrote:
On Dec 7, 5:20*pm, Dave wrote: i don't care if this guy is a troll or an idiot... keep him going, its great stuff. still rotflmao If one would just read in succession the posts above one might get the impression that I sat at a desk while in deep thought until I connected the dots which provided a exp-lanation of radiation where the books stated that radiation in itself was not fully understood. That is so far from the truth. Going to the physics books one can see examples where the maxwell equations was proven in many ways by the use of contributingequations. One proof that you don't see is the gaussian static field as a proof possibly because we had a conflict in metrics *ie cgs and MKS which possibly authors did not want to use for fear of muddying the water. From my point of view I saw it as a transition from a static field to a dynamic field which in itself was swhat Maxwell equations were showing. Sharing this observation on this group and other places drew nothing but cat calls because of the sillines of connecting statics with electricity as presently known. Pursuit via computer programs and other thoughts regarding equilibrium allowed me to formulate an array where equilibrrium was in existance and all elements were resonant in the form of a full wave. Thus my work on unwinantennas .com began because I had destroyed some old wives tales. Then the second patent came where again I focussed on FW antennas to obsolete the idea of ground planes which I did by folding the FW dipole into an end fed form but with the question remaining regarding my thoughts on the standard model. Needless to say it showed that a verticle must be tipped with respect to ground via the very nature of these two fectors representing gravity and rotation. Going back to the end fed folded full wave it can be seen that one could section the FW in calculus form in the form of many square circuits. In fact it could be expanded more into mesh form where a transmitted circuit could be one of many in parallel and where I was able to measure a resonant point on a small piece of mesh. Thus the second patent started to grow when I changed a std helix to where the lumped load was cancelled and introducing the mesh radiator to a ground mounted form for top band instead of the requirement for height. Thus multi frequency small antennas were formed the holy grail of radio. So that is a rough explanation as to how I got to understand radiation in a different way from the books *where as an engineer I started with Gauss and Maxwell while placing all written theories to the side lines and working from first principles as I now saw it. Of course looking at my home page I made many samples and experiments along the way where I now have a large Faraday cage radiator on the ground and making a small loop mesh radiator to insert into the Faraday cage to emulate velocity increase of a beam as with a fire nozzle and Bernollis theorems where I can reduce the area of resting for particles where the number of particles remains a *constant where equilibrium requires a increase in *velocity and a tighter beam. Regards Art Unwin...KB89MZ...xg (uk) ah, so now you are going to shoot particles from a fire hose faster than light... that should be an interesting antenna. send me a picture of it yesterday so i can comment on it the day before and we could set up a whole backwards in time thread. |
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On Dec 8, 8:51*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
*"JIMMIE" ... On Dec 7, 3:03 pm, Art Unwin wrote: - Show quoted text - Lets make sure I follow, You are saying that radio communication occurs because and antenna emits statically charged particle that then imparts their charge to the receiving antenna when they strike the antenna. Is this what you are saying. Yes. But in form of longitudinal waves. Electrons go out and come back from the end of radiator. For this reason he can wrote: "the idea of point radiation which leads to efficient small volume antennas. And following these edicts I have been able to make radiators of a smnaller volume that is known in the present state of the art." When electrons oscillate in a transmitter the voltage at the end of a radiator is doubled and the strong Gauss electric field is produced. Such waves are longitudinal. Exactly which particles are you saying are responsible for this?. Here are many hypothesis. One of them is the Diracs electron see. So the electrons in the conductor kick the electrons in the space. But it is not important. Radio people should know which part of the radiator radiate and what the waves a normal pressure waves or artifical TEM waves. S* so how do antennas encased in insulators work at all? |
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Dave wrote:
On Dec 8, 8:51Â*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote: Â*"JIMMIE" ... On Dec 7, 3:03 pm, Art Unwin wrote: - Show quoted text - Lets make sure I follow, You are saying that radio communication occurs because and antenna emits statically charged particle that then imparts their charge to the receiving antenna when they strike the antenna. Is this what you are saying. Yes. But in form of longitudinal waves. Electrons go out and come back from the end of radiator. For this reason he can wrote: "the idea of point radiation which leads to efficient small volume antennas. And following these edicts I have been able to make radiators of a smnaller volume that is known in the present state of the art." When electrons oscillate in a transmitter the voltage at the end of a radiator is doubled and the strong Gauss electric field is produced. Such waves are longitudinal. Exactly which particles are you saying are responsible for this?. Here are many hypothesis. One of them is the Diracs electron see. So the electrons in the conductor kick the electrons in the space. But it is not important. Radio people should know which part of the radiator radiate and what the waves a normal pressure waves or artifical TEM waves. S* so how do antennas encased in insulators work at all? Or dielectric horns? -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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Faraday shields and radiation and misinterpretations
"Dave" wrote ... On Dec 8, 8:51 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote: "JIMMIE" ... On Dec 7, 3:03 pm, Art Unwin wrote: - Show quoted text - Lets make sure I follow, You are saying that radio communication occurs because and antenna emits statically charged particle that then imparts their charge to the receiving antenna when they strike the antenna. Is this what you are saying. Yes. But in form of longitudinal waves. Electrons go out and come back from the end of radiator. For this reason he can wrote: "the idea of point radiation which leads to efficient small volume antennas. And following these edicts I have been able to make radiators of a smnaller volume that is known in the present state of the art." When electrons oscillate in a transmitter the voltage at the end of a radiator is doubled and the strong Gauss electric field is produced. Such waves are longitudinal. Exactly which particles are you saying are responsible for this?. Here are many hypothesis. One of them is the Diracs electron see. So the electrons in the conductor kick the electrons in the space. But it is not important. Radio people should know which part of the radiator radiate and what the waves a normal pressure waves or artifical TEM waves. S* so how do antennas encased in insulators work at all? For this Maxwell invented the displacement current. It is oscillating current in insulators. In insulators are charges which can not flow bat only can oscillate. They can oscillate to and fro and/or rotate about some angle. For the transverse wave they rotate. For longitudinal to and fro. But such seperate waves are only in the math. Real waves have always the two components. Always dominate the longitudinal. S* |
Faraday shields and radiation and misinterpretations
Szczepan Bialek wrote:
"Dave" wrote ... On Dec 8, 8:51 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote: "JIMMIE" ... On Dec 7, 3:03 pm, Art Unwin wrote: - Show quoted text - Lets make sure I follow, You are saying that radio communication occurs because and antenna emits statically charged particle that then imparts their charge to the receiving antenna when they strike the antenna. Is this what you are saying. Yes. But in form of longitudinal waves. Electrons go out and come back from the end of radiator. For this reason he can wrote: "the idea of point radiation which leads to efficient small volume antennas. And following these edicts I have been able to make radiators of a smnaller volume that is known in the present state of the art." When electrons oscillate in a transmitter the voltage at the end of a radiator is doubled and the strong Gauss electric field is produced. Such waves are longitudinal. Exactly which particles are you saying are responsible for this?. Here are many hypothesis. One of them is the Diracs electron see. So the electrons in the conductor kick the electrons in the space. But it is not important. Radio people should know which part of the radiator radiate and what the waves a normal pressure waves or artifical TEM waves. S* so how do antennas encased in insulators work at all? For this Maxwell invented the displacement current. It is oscillating current in insulators. In insulators are charges which can not flow bat only can oscillate. They can oscillate to and fro and/or rotate about some angle. For the transverse wave they rotate. For longitudinal to and fro. But such seperate waves are only in the math. Real waves have always the two components. Always dominate the longitudinal. S* Babbling nonsense. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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On Dec 9, 8:30*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
*"Dave" ... On Dec 8, 8:51 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote: "JIMMIE" ... On Dec 7, 3:03 pm, Art Unwin wrote: - Show quoted text - Lets make sure I follow, You are saying that radio communication occurs because and antenna emits statically charged particle that then imparts their charge to the receiving antenna when they strike the antenna. Is this what you are saying. Yes. But in form of longitudinal waves. Electrons go out and come back from the end of radiator. For this reason he can wrote: "the idea of point radiation which leads to efficient small volume antennas. And following these edicts I have been able to make radiators of a smnaller volume that is known in the present state of the art." When electrons oscillate in a transmitter the voltage at the end of a radiator is doubled and the strong Gauss electric field is produced. Such waves are longitudinal. Exactly which particles are you saying are responsible for this?. Here are many hypothesis. One of them is the Diracs electron see. So the electrons in the conductor kick the electrons in the space. But it is not important. Radio people should know which part of the radiator radiate and what the waves a normal pressure waves or artifical TEM waves. S* so how do antennas encased in insulators work at all? For this Maxwell invented the displacement current. It is oscillating current in insulators. In insulators are charges which can not flow bat only can oscillate. They can oscillate to and fro and/or rotate about some angle. For the transverse wave they rotate. For longitudinal to and fro. But such seperate waves are only in the math. Real waves have always the two components. Always dominate the longitudinal. S*- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - but you said that "conductor kick the electrons in the space", now its not electrons? So which is it? do you believe in art and his particles that get kicked off the diamagnetic elements, or in the maxwell displacement current that requires no particles? maxwell's math only describes the real waves and they are always transverse. the only fictional mathematical waves are standing waves... they aren't real waves, just figments of someone's bad math meant to confuse poor amateurs. |
Faraday shields and radiation and misinterpretations
On Dec 9, 8:43*pm, Dave wrote:
On Dec 9, 8:30*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote: *"Dave" ... On Dec 8, 8:51 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote: "JIMMIE" ... On Dec 7, 3:03 pm, Art Unwin wrote: - Show quoted text - Lets make sure I follow, You are saying that radio communication occurs because and antenna emits statically charged particle that then imparts their charge to the receiving antenna when they strike the antenna. Is this what you are saying. Yes. But in form of longitudinal waves. Electrons go out and come back from the end of radiator. For this reason he can wrote: "the idea of point radiation which leads to efficient small volume antennas. And following these edicts I have been able to make radiators of a smnaller volume that is known in the present state of the art." When electrons oscillate in a transmitter the voltage at the end of a radiator is doubled and the strong Gauss electric field is produced. Such waves are longitudinal. Exactly which particles are you saying are responsible for this?. Here are many hypothesis. One of them is the Diracs electron see. So the electrons in the conductor kick the electrons in the space. But it is not important. Radio people should know which part of the radiator radiate and what the waves a normal pressure waves or artifical TEM waves. S* so how do antennas encased in insulators work at all? For this Maxwell invented the displacement current. It is oscillating current in insulators. In insulators are charges which can not flow bat only can oscillate. They can oscillate to and fro and/or rotate about some angle. For the transverse wave they rotate. For longitudinal to and fro. But such seperate waves are only in the math. Real waves have always the two components. Always dominate the longitudinal. S*- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - but you said that "conductor kick the electrons in the space", now its not electrons? *So which is it? *do you believe in art and his particles that get kicked off the diamagnetic elements, or in the maxwell displacement current that requires no particles? maxwell's math only describes the real waves and they are always transverse. the only fictional mathematical waves are standing waves... they aren't real waves, just figments of someone's bad math meant to confuse poor amateurs.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Art fails to recongnize that if he were right all present day antenna designs would be wrong an could not possibly work. Unfortunately for Art we have been able to succesfully design antennas using mathmatics with accurate preditable outcome for 100 years. Jimmie |
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On Dec 9, 7:43*pm, Dave wrote:
On Dec 9, 8:30*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote: *"Dave" ... On Dec 8, 8:51 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote: "JIMMIE" ... On Dec 7, 3:03 pm, Art Unwin wrote: - Show quoted text - Lets make sure I follow, You are saying that radio communication occurs because and antenna emits statically charged particle that then imparts their charge to the receiving antenna when they strike the antenna. Is this what you are saying. Yes. But in form of longitudinal waves. Electrons go out and come back from the end of radiator. For this reason he can wrote: "the idea of point radiation which leads to efficient small volume antennas. And following these edicts I have been able to make radiators of a smnaller volume that is known in the present state of the art." When electrons oscillate in a transmitter the voltage at the end of a radiator is doubled and the strong Gauss electric field is produced. Such waves are longitudinal. Exactly which particles are you saying are responsible for this?. Here are many hypothesis. One of them is the Diracs electron see. So the electrons in the conductor kick the electrons in the space. But it is not important. Radio people should know which part of the radiator radiate and what the waves a normal pressure waves or artifical TEM waves. S* so how do antennas encased in insulators work at all? For this Maxwell invented the displacement current. It is oscillating current in insulators. In insulators are charges which can not flow bat only can oscillate. They can oscillate to and fro and/or rotate about some angle. For the transverse wave they rotate. For longitudinal to and fro. But such seperate waves are only in the math. Real waves have always the two components. Always dominate the longitudinal. S*- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - but you said that "conductor kick the electrons in the space", now its not electrons? *So which is it? *do you believe in art and his particles that get kicked off the diamagnetic elements, or in the maxwell displacement current that requires no particles? maxwell's math only describes the real waves and they are always transverse. the only fictional mathematical waves are standing waves... they aren't real waves, just figments of someone's bad math meant to confuse poor amateurs. Hold it now! The present aproach involving waves is correct but the waves themselves are a closed circuits without mass. The change from potential energy to kinetic energy is an accellerating term that is limited in a closed circuit by a decelleration of change or transformation of energy. For energy to be transported outside the boundary then mass is a requirement. The same interaction goes on inside a cathode ray tube where it is mass or a particle that hits or impacts the inside of the screen. It is the same action that levitates an aluminum can(mass) and lofts it thru the air into a bin. In other words it is similar to the time taken for energy to change from a kinetic to a potential energy within mass. An analogy is the amount of energy and time taken for heated water to change into steam.Gauss shows that to change from a static form to a dynamic form both time and mass are the metrics that are used. And that is true for both classical and particle physics where true analysis of the universe must be the same regardless of the methods used. This does not mean that present radiators do not radiate, it means that present day antennas do not radiate efficiently as they only account for approx 90% of that which creates radiation. I state again, that when transporting energy there is an absolute necessity for mass, and it is mass that escapes from a energy field where the energy field is in the form of a closed circuit. If you so desire you can fall in line with present day thinking that a particle is sometimes a wave but the same source clearly states that radiation is not fully understood, so the choice is yours tho it is acknoweledged as not fully explainable. |
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On Dec 9, 12:30*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
*"Dave" ... On Dec 8, 8:51 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote: "JIMMIE" ... On Dec 7, 3:03 pm, Art Unwin wrote: - Show quoted text - Lets make sure I follow, You are saying that radio communication occurs because and antenna emits statically charged particle that then imparts their charge to the receiving antenna when they strike the antenna. Is this what you are saying. Yes. But in form of longitudinal waves. Electrons go out and come back from the end of radiator. For this reason he can wrote: "the idea of point radiation which leads to efficient small volume antennas. And following these edicts I have been able to make radiators of a smnaller volume that is known in the present state of the art." When electrons oscillate in a transmitter the voltage at the end of a radiator is doubled and the strong Gauss electric field is produced. Such waves are longitudinal. Exactly which particles are you saying are responsible for this?. Here are many hypothesis. One of them is the Diracs electron see. So the electrons in the conductor kick the electrons in the space. But it is not important. Radio people should know which part of the radiator radiate and what the waves a normal pressure waves or artifical TEM waves. S* so how do antennas encased in insulators work at all? For this Maxwell invented the displacement current. It is oscillating current in insulators. In insulators are charges which can not flow bat only can oscillate. They can oscillate to and fro and/or rotate about some angle. .... Hmmm. Are you suggesting that there is no displacement current in a capacitance that uses a vacuum for dielectric? Sigh. I'm glad I didn't have to learn E&M from reading r.r.a.a. Cheers, Tom |
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Hmmm. Are you suggesting that there is no displacement current in a
capacitance that uses a vacuum for dielectric? Sigh. I'm glad I didn't have to learn E&M from reading r.r.a.a. And from people who cannot begin to understand even the most elementary math. Frank (VE6CB) |
Faraday shields and radiation and misinterpretations
"Dave" wrote ... On Dec 9, 8:30 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote: "Dave" ... On Dec 8, 8:51 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote: "JIMMIE" ... On Dec 7, 3:03 pm, Art Unwin wrote: - Show quoted text - Lets make sure I follow, You are saying that radio communication occurs because and antenna emits statically charged particle that then imparts their charge to the receiving antenna when they strike the antenna. Is this what you are saying. Yes. But in form of longitudinal waves. Electrons go out and come back from the end of radiator. For this reason he can wrote: "the idea of point radiation which leads to efficient small volume antennas. And following these edicts I have been able to make radiators of a smnaller volume that is known in the present state of the art." When electrons oscillate in a transmitter the voltage at the end of a radiator is doubled and the strong Gauss electric field is produced. Such waves are longitudinal. Exactly which particles are you saying are responsible for this?. Here are many hypothesis. One of them is the Diracs electron see. So the electrons in the conductor kick the electrons in the space. But it is not important. Radio people should know which part of the radiator radiate and what the waves a normal pressure waves or artifical TEM waves. S* so how do antennas encased in insulators work at all? For this Maxwell invented the displacement current. It is oscillating current in insulators. In insulators are charges which can not flow bat only can oscillate. They can oscillate to and fro and/or rotate about some angle. For the transverse wave they rotate. For longitudinal to and fro. But such seperate waves are only in the math. Real waves have always the two components. Always dominate the longitudinal. S*- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - but you said that "conductor kick the electrons in the space", now its not electrons? So which is it? do you believe in art and his particles that get kicked off the diamagnetic elements, or in the maxwell displacement current that requires no particles? In Maxwell times no electrons but only electricity. DC current flows only in the closed circuit. AC current oscillate to and fro in the open circuit because in insulator are also charges (electricity). The same electricity was in the space. Maxwell did the description of such aether. Now no aether but the Maxwell's math was modiffed by Heaviside. maxwell's math only describes the real waves and they are always transverse. Maxwell proposed the aether model with the transverse waves. There were the vortex see and the idle gear. the only fictional mathematical waves are standing waves... they aren't real waves, just figments of someone's bad math meant to confuse poor amateurs. When a wave reflects the amplitude is doubling. This doubling is real in the acustics and in antennas. The doubling is possible only in the compressible medium (air or electron gas). The elecreicity in Maxwell's model and in the Heaviside math is incompressible. S* |
Faraday shields and radiation and misinterpretations
"K7ITM" wrote ... On Dec 9, 12:30 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote: "Dave" ... On Dec 8, 8:51 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote: "JIMMIE" ... On Dec 7, 3:03 pm, Art Unwin wrote: - Show quoted text - Lets make sure I follow, You are saying that radio communication occurs because and antenna emits statically charged particle that then imparts their charge to the receiving antenna when they strike the antenna. Is this what you are saying. Yes. But in form of longitudinal waves. Electrons go out and come back from the end of radiator. For this reason he can wrote: "the idea of point radiation which leads to efficient small volume antennas. And following these edicts I have been able to make radiators of a smnaller volume that is known in the present state of the art." When electrons oscillate in a transmitter the voltage at the end of a radiator is doubled and the strong Gauss electric field is produced. Such waves are longitudinal. Exactly which particles are you saying are responsible for this?. Here are many hypothesis. One of them is the Diracs electron see. So the electrons in the conductor kick the electrons in the space. But it is not important. Radio people should know which part of the radiator radiate and what the waves a normal pressure waves or artifical TEM waves. S* so how do antennas encased in insulators work at all? For this Maxwell invented the displacement current. It is oscillating current in insulators. In insulators are charges which can not flow bat only can oscillate. They can oscillate to and fro and/or rotate about some angle. .... Hmmm. Are you suggesting that there is no displacement current in a capacitance that uses a vacuum for dielectric? Yes. But it is not suggestion. The displacement current is necessary for the incompressible electricity. Now we know that the voltage is doubled ( Marx high voltage generator) and that means that the electron gas is compressible. The dielectric between capacitor plates undergos the electrostriction. Sigh. I'm glad I didn't have to learn E&M from reading r.r.a.a. But it is interesting to look at Maxwell's drawings to his model of the vortex see with the idle gear. S* Cheers, Tom |
Faraday shields and radiation and misinterpretations
On Dec 10, 3:24*am, Art Unwin wrote:
On Dec 9, 7:43*pm, Dave wrote: On Dec 9, 8:30*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote: *"Dave" ... On Dec 8, 8:51 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote: "JIMMIE" ... On Dec 7, 3:03 pm, Art Unwin wrote: - Show quoted text - Lets make sure I follow, You are saying that radio communication occurs because and antenna emits statically charged particle that then imparts their charge to the receiving antenna when they strike the antenna. Is this what you are saying. Yes. But in form of longitudinal waves. Electrons go out and come back from the end of radiator. For this reason he can wrote: "the idea of point radiation which leads to efficient small volume antennas. And following these edicts I have been able to make radiators of a smnaller volume that is known in the present state of the art." When electrons oscillate in a transmitter the voltage at the end of a radiator is doubled and the strong Gauss electric field is produced.. Such waves are longitudinal. Exactly which particles are you saying are responsible for this?. Here are many hypothesis. One of them is the Diracs electron see. So the electrons in the conductor kick the electrons in the space. But it is not important. Radio people should know which part of the radiator radiate and what the waves a normal pressure waves or artifical TEM waves. S* so how do antennas encased in insulators work at all? For this Maxwell invented the displacement current. It is oscillating current in insulators. In insulators are charges which can not flow bat only can oscillate. They can oscillate to and fro and/or rotate about some angle. For the transverse wave they rotate. For longitudinal to and fro. But such seperate waves are only in the math. Real waves have always the two components. Always dominate the longitudinal. S*- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - but you said that "conductor kick the electrons in the space", now its not electrons? *So which is it? *do you believe in art and his particles that get kicked off the diamagnetic elements, or in the maxwell displacement current that requires no particles? maxwell's math only describes the real waves and they are always transverse. the only fictional mathematical waves are standing waves... they aren't real waves, just figments of someone's bad math meant to confuse poor amateurs. Hold it now! The present aproach involving waves is correct but the waves themselves are a closed circuits without mass. The change from potential energy to kinetic energy is an accellerating term that is limited in a closed circuit by a decelleration of change or transformation of energy. For energy to be transported outside the boundary then mass is a requirement. sorry, but no. mass is not a requirement for transporting energy. The same interaction goes on inside a cathode ray tube where it is mass or a particle that hits or impacts the inside of the screen. It is the same action that levitates an aluminum can(mass) and lofts it thru the air into a bin. In other words it is similar to the time taken for energy to change from a kinetic to a potential energy within mass. An analogy is the amount of energy and time taken for heated water to change into steam.Gauss shows that to change from a static form to a dynamic form both time and mass are the metrics that are used. And that is true for both classical and particle physics where true *analysis of the universe must be the same regardless of the methods used. This does not mean that present radiators do not radiate, it means that present day antennas do not radiate efficiently as they only account for approx 90% of that which creates radiation. I state again, that when transporting energy there is an absolute necessity for mass, and it is mass that escapes from a energy field where the *energy field is in the form of a closed circuit. If you so desire you can fall in *line with present day thinking that a particle is sometimes a wave but the same source clearly states that radiation is not fully understood, so the choice is yours tho it is acknoweledged as not fully explainable.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - particles are particles and waves are waves unless you start talking quantum mechanics when all bets are off... fortunately quantum mechanics is not needed to discuss electromagnetic phenomena. if there were 10% missing energy in the maxwell equations i am quite sure it would have been found by now, we can measure waves much more accurately than that and have been able to for many years. the verifications of accuracy of nec and other programs based on maxwell's equations shows that quite well. if you don't believe it, find the missing terms and publish them in a peer reviewed journal so they can be shot full of holes. |
Faraday shields and radiation and misinterpretations
On Dec 10, 7:47*am, Dave wrote:
On Dec 10, 3:24*am, Art Unwin wrote: On Dec 9, 7:43*pm, Dave wrote: On Dec 9, 8:30*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote: *"Dave" ... On Dec 8, 8:51 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote: "JIMMIE" ... On Dec 7, 3:03 pm, Art Unwin wrote: - Show quoted text - Lets make sure I follow, You are saying that radio communication occurs because and antenna emits statically charged particle that then imparts their charge to the receiving antenna when they strike the antenna. Is this what you are saying. Yes. But in form of longitudinal waves. Electrons go out and come back from the end of radiator. For this reason he can wrote: "the idea of point radiation which leads to efficient small volume antennas. And following these edicts I have been able to make radiators of a smnaller volume that is known in the present state of the art." When electrons oscillate in a transmitter the voltage at the end of a radiator is doubled and the strong Gauss electric field is produced. Such waves are longitudinal. Exactly which particles are you saying are responsible for this?. Here are many hypothesis. One of them is the Diracs electron see.. So the electrons in the conductor kick the electrons in the space. But it is not important. Radio people should know which part of the radiator radiate and what the waves a normal pressure waves or artifical TEM waves. S* so how do antennas encased in insulators work at all? For this Maxwell invented the displacement current. It is oscillating current in insulators. In insulators are charges which can not flow bat only can oscillate. They can oscillate to and fro and/or rotate about some angle. For the transverse wave they rotate. For longitudinal to and fro. But such seperate waves are only in the math. Real waves have always the two components. Always dominate the longitudinal. S*- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - but you said that "conductor kick the electrons in the space", now its not electrons? *So which is it? *do you believe in art and his particles that get kicked off the diamagnetic elements, or in the maxwell displacement current that requires no particles? maxwell's math only describes the real waves and they are always transverse. the only fictional mathematical waves are standing waves... they aren't real waves, just figments of someone's bad math meant to confuse poor amateurs. Hold it now! The present aproach involving waves is correct but the waves themselves are a closed circuits without mass. The change from potential energy to kinetic energy is an accellerating term that is limited in a closed circuit by a decelleration of change or transformation of energy. For energy to be transported outside the boundary then mass is a requirement. sorry, but no. *mass is not a requirement for transporting energy I am willing to learn! What is the carrier for energy and how? The same interaction goes on inside a cathode ray tube where it is mass or a particle that hits or impacts the inside of the screen. It is the same action that levitates an aluminum can(mass) and lofts it thru the air into a bin. In other words it is similar to the time taken for energy to change from a kinetic to a potential energy within mass. An analogy is the amount of energy and time taken for heated water to change into steam.Gauss shows that to change from a static form to a dynamic form both time and mass are the metrics that are used. And that is true for both classical and particle physics where true *analysis of the universe must be the same regardless of the methods used. This does not mean that present radiators do not radiate, it means that present day antennas do not radiate efficiently as they only account for approx 90% of that which creates radiation. I state again, that when transporting energy there is an absolute necessity for mass, and it is mass that escapes from a energy field where the *energy field is in the form of a closed circuit. If you so desire you can fall in *line with present day thinking that a particle is sometimes a wave but the same source clearly states that radiation is not fully understood, so the choice is yours tho it is acknoweledged as not fully explainable.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - particles are particles and waves are waves Quite correct, one is an adjective and the other is a noun. You can put a particle into a container, a wave you cannot unless you start talking quantum mechanics when all bets are off... An answer in science is acceptable if it matches well known facts So here we have two sciences that squable about who is right and who is wrong in describing the same phenomina fortunately quantum mechanics is not needed to discuss electromagnetic phenomena. *if there were 10% missing energy in the maxwell equations i am quite sure it would have been found by now, A planar design of radiator does not conform with Maxwell's equations. Following Maxwell's equations provides accountability of all forces and NEC programs are very capable of showing this by divulging that same 10% of missing energy. we can measure waves much more accurately than that and have been able to for many years. *the verifications of accuracy of nec and other programs based on maxwell's equations shows that quite well. *if you don't believe it, find the missing terms and publish them in a peer reviewed journal so they can be shot full of holes. The relevent term was added in the Maxwell corrections of his equations. See the sample on my page. How about supplying some facts to back up your claims so they can be discussed? |
Faraday shields and radiation and misinterpretations
On Dec 10, 4:44*pm, Art Unwin wrote:
On Dec 10, 7:47*am, Dave wrote: On Dec 10, 3:24*am, Art Unwin wrote: On Dec 9, 7:43*pm, Dave wrote: On Dec 9, 8:30*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote: *"Dave" ... On Dec 8, 8:51 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote: "JIMMIE" ... On Dec 7, 3:03 pm, Art Unwin wrote: - Show quoted text - Lets make sure I follow, You are saying that radio communication occurs because and antenna emits statically charged particle that then imparts their charge to the receiving antenna when they strike the antenna. Is this what you are saying. Yes. But in form of longitudinal waves. Electrons go out and come back from the end of radiator. For this reason he can wrote: "the idea of point radiation which leads to efficient small volume antennas. And following these edicts I have been able to make radiators of a smnaller volume that is known in the present state of the art." When electrons oscillate in a transmitter the voltage at the end of a radiator is doubled and the strong Gauss electric field is produced. Such waves are longitudinal. Exactly which particles are you saying are responsible for this?. Here are many hypothesis. One of them is the Diracs electron see. So the electrons in the conductor kick the electrons in the space. But it is not important. Radio people should know which part of the radiator radiate and what the waves a normal pressure waves or artifical TEM waves. S* so how do antennas encased in insulators work at all? For this Maxwell invented the displacement current. It is oscillating current in insulators. In insulators are charges which can not flow bat only can oscillate. They can oscillate to and fro and/or rotate about some angle. For the transverse wave they rotate. For longitudinal to and fro. But such seperate waves are only in the math. Real waves have always the two components. Always dominate the longitudinal. S*- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - but you said that "conductor kick the electrons in the space", now its not electrons? *So which is it? *do you believe in art and his particles that get kicked off the diamagnetic elements, or in the maxwell displacement current that requires no particles? maxwell's math only describes the real waves and they are always transverse. the only fictional mathematical waves are standing waves... they aren't real waves, just figments of someone's bad math meant to confuse poor amateurs. Hold it now! The present aproach involving waves is correct but the waves themselves are a closed circuits without mass. The change from potential energy to kinetic energy is an accellerating term that is limited in a closed circuit by a decelleration of change or transformation of energy. For energy to be transported outside the boundary then mass is a requirement. sorry, but no. *mass is not a requirement for transporting energy I am willing to learn! What is the carrier for energy and how? photons are one thing that can carry energy but have no mass. electric field interactions between electrons transfer energy with no mass. The same interaction goes on inside a cathode ray tube where it is mass or a particle that hits or impacts the inside of the screen. It is the same action that levitates an aluminum can(mass) and lofts it thru the air into a bin. In other words it is similar to the time taken for energy to change from a kinetic to a potential energy within mass. An analogy is the amount of energy and time taken for heated water to change into steam.Gauss shows that to change from a static form to a dynamic form both time and mass are the metrics that are used. And that is true for both classical and particle physics where true *analysis of the universe must be the same regardless of the methods used. This does not mean that present radiators do not radiate, it means that present day antennas do not radiate efficiently as they only account for approx 90% of that which creates radiation. I state again, that when transporting energy there is an absolute necessity for mass, and it is mass that escapes from a energy field where the *energy field is in the form of a closed circuit. If you so desire you can fall in *line with present day thinking that a particle is sometimes a wave but the same source clearly states that radiation is not fully understood, so the choice is yours tho it is acknoweledged as not fully explainable.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - particles are particles and waves are waves Quite correct, one is an adjective and the other is a noun. You can put a particle into a container, a wave you cannot waves reside just fine in containers. take a look at cavity resonators some day. in my dictionary 'wave' is a perfectly good noun or verb, i see no use of it as an adjective... maybe you need a new dictionary. *unless you start talking quantum mechanics when all bets are off... An answer in science is acceptable if it matches well known facts So here we have two sciences that squable about who is right and who is wrong in describing the same phenomina *fortunately quantum mechanics is not needed to discuss electromagnetic phenomena. *if there were 10% missing energy in the maxwell equations i am quite sure it would have been found by now, A planar design of radiator does not conform with Maxwell's equations. Following Maxwell's equations provides accountability of all forces and NEC programs are very capable of showing this by divulging that same 10% of missing energy. of course it does, maxwell's equations make no reference to the geometry of conductors. we can measure waves much more accurately than that and have been able to for many years. *the verifications of accuracy of nec and other programs based on maxwell's equations shows that quite well. *if you don't believe it, find the missing terms and publish them in a peer reviewed journal so they can be shot full of holes. The relevent term was added in the Maxwell corrections of his equations. See the sample on my page. How about supplying some facts to back up your claims so they can be discussed?- Hide quoted text - i make no claims, i am providing well know facts that easily disprove your claims... it is therefore your obligation as the proponent of this new theory to explain how your theory properly explains these facts. and to get your theory accepted it is up to you to show how your theory explains it BETTER than existing theories. THAT is how the scientific method works, i should know because my employer decided that part of my title is now 'Scientist'. I objected, insisting that i wanted to put 'Mad' in front of it, but they wouldn't buy that this time. |
Faraday shields and radiation and misinterpretations
"Dave" wrote ... On Dec 10, 4:44 pm, Art Unwin wrote: sorry, but no. mass is not a requirement for transporting energy I am willing to learn! What is the carrier for energy and how? photons are one thing that can carry energy but have no mass. electric field interactions between electrons transfer energy with no mass. The photons and the fields are the math. In math are assumptions and simplifications. Math is a piece to teach for students, S* |
Faraday shields and radiation and misinterpretations
On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 some gomer wrote:
Following Maxwell's equations provides accountability of all forces and NEC programs are very capable of showing this by divulging that same 10% of missing energy. By the addition of considerable textual chaff (not included here), this last demand is saved from being embarrassingly close to: How about supplying some facts to back up your claims so they can be discussed? Any NEC program (expressly allowed in the first statement's premise) will show that a dipole: 1. In free space; 2. x coordinate -0.245714 wavelength; 3. x coordinate 0.245714 wavelength; 4. 11 segments; 5. 1mm diameter copper wire; 6. excited at first resonance Result: 97.5% So, clearly the first claim of 10% missing energy is a product of misinformation and is easily accounted by the allowable method (NEC) contained within the erroneous statement. However, let's examine the source of that 2.5% loss. If I were to simply use NEC's capacity to render the copper into perfect wire (no other changes made to the parts 1. through 6 above); then Result: 99.7% Whoops!!!!! no copper, and still not perfect? This, too, is accountable within NEC as accumulated math error of too few samples (segments). So, we simple amend part 4. above to increase the number of segments to 111; then Result: 100.00% ******************* I can fully expect the wheeze that the antenna is not in equilibrium (sic). Without pointing out that what is already 100.00% efficiency could not possibly be improved upon, I will instead increase the frequency of excitation to put that structure into equilibrium (sic); then Result: 100.00% or 0 improvement. Having indulged the fantasies of equilibrium (sic), it is time to press in the opposite direction, let's say to 1/10th equilibrium (sic); then Result: 100.00% Howsaboutthat!? ******************* So, using the allowable tools to investigate the claim of a missing 10% efficiency, it has been shown that this claim is wholly without merit and lacks any demonstrable basis. I don't expect any counter proof that will be expressed with the same professional level of specification offered here, nor performable within the 3 minutes it took me to do this (barring the time to type this all out). 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC |
Faraday shields and radiation and misinterpretations
On Dec 10, 5:49*pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
"Dave" ... On Dec 10, 4:44 pm, Art Unwin wrote: sorry, but no. mass is not a requirement for transporting energy I am willing to learn! What is the carrier for energy and how? photons are one thing that can carry energy but have no mass. electric field interactions between electrons transfer energy with no mass. The photons and the fields are the math. In math are assumptions and simplifications. Math is a piece to teach for students, S* photons and fields are measurable things. equations describe the observations. |
Faraday shields and radiation and misinterpretations
On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 some gomer wrote:
How about supplying some facts to back up your claims so they can be discussed? Later on Thu, 10 Dec 2009 another gomer replied: So, using the allowable tools to investigate the claim of a missing 10% efficiency, it has been shown that this claim is wholly without merit and lacks any demonstrable basis. Nothing like hard data to kill a thread's superstition momentum. ;-) |
Faraday shields and radiation and misinterpretations
Richard Clark wrote in
: On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 some gomer wrote: How about supplying some facts to back up your claims so they can be discussed? Later on Thu, 10 Dec 2009 another gomer replied: So, using the allowable tools to investigate the claim of a missing 10% efficiency, it has been shown that this claim is wholly without merit and lacks any demonstrable basis. Nothing like hard data to kill a thread's superstition momentum. ;-) I wonder if precise knowledge of superstition and momentum is mutually exclusive. :) |
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