On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 23:52:36 -0800 (PST), Boris
wrote:

Of course, I mean work on short-wave, and it would be good to have the
80-meter, which is probably possible with these antennas.

Hi Boris,

You can listen to SW and 80M with almost any kind of antenna and a
cheap tuner.

Save your money.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

On Jan 16, 6:00*pm, Richard Clark wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 23:52:36 -0800 (PST), Boris

wrote:
Of course, I mean work on short-wave, and it would be good to have the
80-meter, which is probably possible with these antennas.

Hi Boris,

You can listen to SW and 80M with almost any kind of antenna and a
cheap tuner.

Save your money.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Well, here I agree with you but what about the transmitting?

On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 10:53:14 -0800 (PST), Boris
wrote:

Well, here I agree with you but what about the transmitting?

Hi Boris,

You don't need to spend $300 on an antenna to transmit on 80M when $10
will easily do this. Are you licensed to transmit? Do you have a
call sign?

The problem here is that you came to the group with a specific,
expensive solution (or two actually) and a rather unspecific problem.
If you are looking for validation for these expensive antennas: yeah,
sure, buy them both and work in stereo.

If you don't have plans outside of 80M and listening to SW (you
haven't provided anything more specific than this, and even then I am
guessing); then a short, custom tuned 80M antenna is easily achieved
for chump change - and it will work quite fine for SW.

If you have more grandiose plans (undisclosed so far), then sweep the
table clean and start over again.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

On Jan 16, 7:49*pm, Richard Clark wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 10:53:14 -0800 (PST), Boris

wrote:
Well, here I agree with you but what about the transmitting?

Hi Boris,

You don't need to spend $300 on an antenna to transmit on 80M when $10
will easily do this. *Are you licensed to transmit? *Do you have a
call sign?

The problem here is that you came to the group with a specific,
expensive solution (or two actually) and a rather unspecific problem.
If you are looking for validation for these expensive antennas: yeah,
sure, buy them both and work in stereo.

If you don't have plans outside of 80M and listening to SW (you
haven't provided anything more specific than this, and even then I am
guessing); then a short, custom tuned 80M antenna is easily achieved
for chump change - and it will work quite fine for SW.

If you have more grandiose plans (undisclosed so far), then sweep the
table clean and start over again.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Ok, so from the beginning.
I have: a license, radio, and at that moment just listening on a piece
of wire ....
I am thinking about those two antennas due to some small garden
(only home and a piece of garden flat - no trees),
and partly because my experience shows that sometimes it is better to
spend some money right away to something decent, than to buy some
bull****.
But that's what I wrote, it's not gospel - just ask for advice from
more experienced colleagues.
I am open to everything, and if it is cheaper than what I ask is just
better.
I must admit that I do not have much experience in this field, and I
do not know how it looks in practice, but I would like to work on all
short-wave.
If this is rubbish, please tell me which ranges should be considered

Boris

On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 13:32:25 -0800 (PST), Boris
wrote:

If this is rubbish, please tell me which ranges should be considered

Hi Boris,

Not knowing what bands you want to operate, how much loss you are
willing to accept, how much money vs. how much of your own effort you
are willing to spend; this all makes recommendations kind of tough.

If you are only working 80M, then a simple antenna will do - but I
don't have enough information to say skip the expensive solutions.

However, I would say spend your money on a tuner and put up a dipole
that fits - or a vertical that fits. Don't worry about anything else
until you have something to fix, you could spend a lot of time
worrying without getting anything done.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC