Measuring antenna loss: Heat balance?
 

"Bill" wrote
...
On Mar 23, 1:24 am, "Joel Koltner"
wrote:

I know that many people think G3LHZ is a little bit off his rocker, but
out of
curiosity... what he suggests on slide 15
hehttp://frrl.files.wordpress.com/2009...f-small-an...-

If Art Unwin could read and comprehend slides 2, 3 and 4 it would
benefit everyone on this newsgroup.

You should read and understand the slide 10:

". "All truth passes through three stages:
- First it is ridiculed,

- Second it is violently opposed,

- Third it is accepted as being self-evident"."

S*

Measuring antenna loss: Heat balance?
 

On Mar 23, 4:29*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
*"Bill" ...
On Mar 23, 1:24 am, "Joel Koltner"
wrote:

I know that many people think G3LHZ is a little bit off his rocker, but
out of
curiosity... what he suggests on slide 15
hehttp://frrl.files.wordpress.com/2009...ts-of-small-an...
If Art Unwin could read and comprehend slides 2, 3 and 4 it would

benefit everyone on this newsgroup.

You should read and understand the slide 10:

". "All truth passes through three stages:
- First it is ridiculed,

- Second it is violently opposed,

- Third it is accepted as being self-evident"."

S*

Very interesting article. Ofcourse I have only scanned it to get the
gist and will have to get a print out to study in depth.
It would appear that the subject is thermo dynamics and the transfer
of energty.
Popular thinkinking is that heat is created by the rapid occilations
of the constituent atoms
and thus one would expect that the constituent atoms would creat heat
which would be retained. My posture is that particles come and go and
where the energy or heat is carried of by the charge that the particle
carries Thus the more efficient the less energy required
to provide the eddy current grooves which occur only when there is
element resistance.
When the resistance is only the radiation resistance essentially less
heat is retained by the
element thus it stands to reason that the element becomes stable with
respect to temperature. As I have stated before the maximum efficiency
is when the input energy is applied to the particles alone where the
element resistance is zero a point that appears unattainable. So the
problem that hams have is to have a very low impeadance for maximum
efficiency which then is a matching problem divorced from the antenna
mechanics. The article thus has incorperated a very efficient tuning
method OR he has cut off the energy supply where as the energy applied
at the radiator is not the same as the
applied system energy.The big change in the perception of particles is
that they are not part of the element where it would be part of the
boundary equation.The element has external particles with minimul
energy at all times and where with a time varying field added
is a continual energy flow that carries away the applied energy via
the displacement current
as shown on my page. This article will provide some interesting
reading during the next few weeks after I get a print out.
Regards
Art Unwin KB9MZ....xg

Measuring antenna loss: Heat balance?
 

On Mar 23, 10:26*am, Art Unwin wrote:
On Mar 23, 4:29*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:



*"Bill" ...
On Mar 23, 1:24 am, "Joel Koltner"
wrote:

I know that many people think G3LHZ is a little bit off his rocker, but
out of
curiosity... what he suggests on slide 15
hehttp://frrl.files.wordpress.com/2009...ts-of-small-an...
If Art Unwin could read and comprehend slides 2, 3 and 4 it would

benefit everyone on this newsgroup.

You should read and understand the slide 10:

". "All truth passes through three stages:
- First it is ridiculed,

- Second it is violently opposed,

- Third it is accepted as being self-evident"."

S*

Very interesting article. Ofcourse I have only scanned it to get the
gist and will have to get a print out to study in depth.
It would appear that the subject is thermo dynamics and the transfer
of energty.
Popular thinkinking is that heat is created by the rapid occilations
of the constituent atoms
and thus one would expect that the constituent atoms would creat heat
which would be retained. My posture is that particles come and go and
where the energy or heat is carried of by the charge that the particle
carries Thus the more efficient the less energy required
to provide the eddy current grooves which occur only when there is
element resistance.
When the resistance is only the radiation resistance essentially less
heat is retained by the
element thus it stands to reason that the element becomes stable with
respect to temperature. As I have stated before the maximum efficiency
is when the input energy is applied to the particles alone where the
element resistance is zero a point that appears unattainable. So the
problem that hams have is to have a very low impeadance for maximum
efficiency which then is a matching problem divorced from the antenna
mechanics. The article thus has incorperated a very efficient tuning
method OR he has cut off the energy supply where as the energy applied
at the radiator is not the same as the
applied system energy.The big change in the perception of particles is
that they are not part of the element where it would be part of the
boundary equation.The element has external particles with minimul
energy at all times and where with a time varying field added
is a continual energy flow that carries away the applied energy via
the displacement current
as shown on my page. This article will provide some interesting
reading during the next few weeks after I get a print out.
Regards
Art Unwin KB9MZ....xg

Word to the wise
When looking at the boundarylaws with respect to statics we are
looking at an "instant"
of time where all is in a state of equilibrium and in a state of
balance. Because we are looking at a two dimensional form we can
ignore the mass of the particles as they are so small we can't measure
them so we view them as passive. The same would be true if we took
the step of adding elements along with the particles ie they would be
passive.
But there is an important point here in that it is a two dimensional
boundary and by adding a elemnt we are transforming it into a three
dimensional, thus the addition of elements or radiators will have an
effect on equilibrium or balance. Thus if elements are added they must
be in equilibrium and balanced which requires that the additions must
not upset
equilibrium of the whole package PLUS the between the constituent
parts. When we add a time varying field to the package then the
elements must be the length of one period or one wavelength since with
the addition of the two vectors( gravity and rotation) supplies a
equal and opposite force to the radiator in response to the lifting
and accelleration to the multiple particles which creates vibrational
movement on the radiator. In other words the elements and the static
particle change from passive to active thus requireing non fractional
wave length. If we are to look at energy in equals energy out
equations mechanical reaction forces must be counted as with applied
and displacement current.
Art Unwin KB9MZ....XG

Measuring antenna loss: Heat balance?
 

On 3/23/2010 11:22 AM, Art Unwin wrote:
Word to the wise
When looking at the boundarylaws with respect to statics we are
looking at an "instant"

Sorry Art. That would be "word to the uneducated" as you have described
things.

But keep it up. It is very amusing when you are off your meds.

tom
K0TAR

Measuring antenna loss: Heat balance?
 

On Mar 23, 9:29*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
*"Bill" ...
On Mar 23, 1:24 am, "Joel Koltner"
wrote:

I know that many people think G3LHZ is a little bit off his rocker, but
out of
curiosity... what he suggests on slide 15
hehttp://frrl.files.wordpress.com/2009...ts-of-small-an...
If Art Unwin could read and comprehend slides 2, 3 and 4 it would

benefit everyone on this newsgroup.

You should read and understand the slide 10:

". "All truth passes through three stages:
- First it is ridiculed,

- Second it is violently opposed,

- Third it is accepted as being self-evident"."

S*

"They laughed at Columbus. They laughed at Galileo. They laughed at
Bozo the Clown."

Measuring antenna loss: Heat balance?
 

Bill wrote:
On Mar 23, 9:29*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
*"Bill" ...
On Mar 23, 1:24 am, "Joel Koltner"
wrote:

I know that many people think G3LHZ is a little bit off his rocker, but
out of
curiosity... what he suggests on slide 15
hehttp://frrl.files.wordpress.com/2009...ts-of-small-an...
If Art Unwin could read and comprehend slides 2, 3 and 4 it would

benefit everyone on this newsgroup.

You should read and understand the slide 10:

". "All truth passes through three stages:
- First it is ridiculed,

- Second it is violently opposed,

- Third it is accepted as being self-evident"."

S*

"They laughed at Columbus. They laughed at Galileo. They laughed at
Bozo the Clown."

I failed to give the proper attribution as well as the complete
original quote:

"But the fact that some geniuses were laughed at does not imply that
all who are laughed at are geniuses. They laughed at Columbus, they
laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright Brothers. But they also
laughed at Bozo the Clown."

Carl Sagan
(Chip's mentor)

Measuring antenna loss: Heat balance?
 

Szczepan Bialek wrote:


You should read and understand the slide 10:

". "All truth passes through three stages:
- First it is ridiculed,

- Second it is violently opposed,

- Third it is accepted as being self-evident"."

This is great! My theory has always been that RF is like tiny little
turds that fly off your antenna. And if you spend too much time
transmitting and too little receiving, (after all, you antenna has to
pick up little turds too) your antenna will get smaller.

I've already been ridiculed

I got beat up after the last Ham club meeting becasue they think I'm
making fun of them and they hate my turd theory.

So any day now, I'll be the new antenna master. Stage three, here we come!


PS, the way a beam works is that the little turds hit the other elements
and bounce back, making the signal more directional.

It's all accounted for in Mike's crappy antenna theory.


- 73 de Mike N3LI -

Measuring antenna loss: Heat balance?
 

"Michael Coslo" wrote
... Szczepan Bialek wrote:


You should read and understand the slide 10:

". "All truth passes through three stages:
- First it is ridiculed,

- Second it is violently opposed,

- Third it is accepted as being self-evident"."

This is great! My theory has always been that RF is like tiny little turds
that fly off your antenna. And if you spend too much time transmitting and
too little receiving, (after all, you antenna has to pick up little turds
too) your antenna will get smaller.

Yes. "Stokes drift may occur in all instances of oscillatory flow which are
inhomogeneous in space. For instance in water waves, tides and atmospheric
waves. From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stokes_drift

I've already been ridiculed

I got beat up after the last Ham club meeting becasue they think I'm
making fun of them and they hate my turd theory.

The turds oscillate in antenna and if the VSWR is low they fly off. As they
oscillate some of them come back but not all (Stokes drift - mass
transport).

So any day now, I'll be the new antenna master. Stage three, here we come!

The real masters are in the secret centres. H. Wabing wrote: "Shielding and
grounding is a secret science, so secret
and of military importance that Don White Consultants would not teach
foreigners
(damned furriners) how to shield a building from EMP." This apply to all
knowledge on RW.

PS, the way a beam works is that the little turds hit the other elements
and bounce back, making the signal more directional.

The dipoles directional pattern are the result of the interference of waves
from the two ends. The truds oscillate. It is wave.

It's all accounted for in Mike's crappy antenna theory.

Civilian antenna theory.
S*